Eu Referendum

[nosferatu]

19 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

 

 

You would be quicker saying "whoop, whoop, whoop, bazzinga" and it would also make as much sense.

 

aye, as much sense as ur posts!

u thick mother fcucker!

premium bonds !

[salmonbuddie]

for a guy who thinks that the public debt is funded by selling premium bonds then I think we all know that u don't know what u r doing!

ersehole

I think we can ignore the rantings of a cnut like u who takes please in taking cash from disabled folk to spend as they please

 

aye, as much sense as ur posts!

u thick mother fcucker!

premium bonds !

ersehole, cnut and mother fcucker. A fine display of personal abuse. Hurting much?

#thichasfcuk

[FTOF]

So since the vote, we will have an unelected prime minister in charge of the country, who is even more incompetent than the outgoing buffoon.

I'm sure we'll be in safe hands.

Theresa's "triumphs" so far..................................

But still, nothing has changed..............................

Immigration targets

Pretty much everyone accepted that the Government’s oft-repeated “tens of thousands” pledge on immigration is a nonsense while EU free movement persists.

But that doesn’t erase the fact that May presided over a system she knew had zero hope of success – and indeed pushed the delusion again and again.

Child abuse appointment scandal (x2)

A flat-out embarrassing – and pretty avoidable – gaffe came in 2014 when May was incapable of finding somebody impartial to chair the government’s child sex abuse inquiry – twice.

First Baroness Butler-Sloss stepped down after just six days – because many pointed out that she is the sister of a former attorney general who would almost certainly be a subject of the inquiry.

The her replacement, Fiona Woolf, lasted less than two months on the grounds she was neighbours with Leon Brittan – another likely subject of the probe. Issues with both were glaringly

obvious, but missed by May.

“Go Home” vans

Can’t enact your manifesto pledge with actual border control? Intimidate people instead!

One of the Home Office’s lowest ebbs was a May-endorsed plan to send roving vans encouraging illegal immigrants to “go home or face arrest” – which sparked widespread revulsion and got hardly anyone to actually leave.

May never publicly apologised for the fiasco – but quietly backed down decided to discontinue the scheme.

Deportation, deportation, deportation

Turns out that even when May tries to remove people from Britain with more than a strongly-worded van, it is quite the struggle.

It took years and millions of pounds to eject Abu Qatada, while other would-be targets have moved precisely nowhere, including the daughter-in-law of hate preacher Abu Hamza, despite her being a convicted criminal.

In bed with the Saudis

May’s standing took a bashing earlier this year over cosy arrangements with the unpleasant regime in Saudi Arabia – ironically at the hands of now-vanquished rival Michael Gove.

Gove, newly empowered as Justice Secretary, forced a British exit from a £6 million contract whereby the UK government was to help run Saudi prisons.

May had lobbied for the contract, according to The Times, and lost standing within the cabinet when her attempts fell through.

Bonus! Charity scandal just as you’re standing for PM

With excellent timing, Theresa May’s upswing of fortunes in the Conservative leadership race coincided with the unveiling of a Kids Company-style charity scandal with links straight to her.

Broken Rainbows, a charity for LGBT victims of domestic abuse, gets more than half its cash from May’s Home Office.

It then, according to a length exposé by BuzzFeed News,  chucked a goodly chunk of it directly on lavish travel expenses, flowers and other nonsense for its preening CEO – raising questions about the judgment of May and those around her.

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2016 by FTOF

[Stuart Dickson]

So since the vote, we will have an unelected prime minister in charge of the country, who is even more incompetent than the outgoing buffoon.

I'm sure we'll be in safe hands. <_>
Theresa's "triumphs" so far..................................

But still, nothing has changed..............................

Immigration targets

Pretty much everyone accepted that the Government’s oft-repeated “tens of thousands” pledge on immigration is a nonsense while EU free movement persists.

But that doesn’t erase the fact that May presided over a system she knew had zero hope of success – and indeed pushed the delusion again and again.

Child abuse appointment scandal (x2)

A flat-out embarrassing – and pretty avoidable – gaffe came in 2014 when May was incapable of finding somebody impartial to chair the government’s child sex abuse inquiry – twice.

First Baroness Butler-Sloss stepped down after just six days – because many pointed out that she is the sister of a former attorney general who would almost certainly be a subject of the inquiry.

The her replacement, Fiona Woolf, lasted less than two months on the grounds she was neighbours with Leon Brittan – another likely subject of the probe. Issues with both were glaringly

obvious, but missed by May.

“Go Home” vans

Can’t enact your manifesto pledge with actual border control? Intimidate people instead!

One of the Home Office’s lowest ebbs was a May-endorsed plan to send roving vans encouraging illegal immigrants to “go home or face arrest” – which sparked widespread revulsion and got hardly anyone to actually leave.

May never publicly apologised for the fiasco – but quietly backed down decided to discontinue the scheme.

Deportation, deportation, deportation

Turns out that even when May tries to remove people from Britain with more than a strongly-worded van, it is quite the struggle.

It took years and millions of pounds to eject Abu Qatada, while other would-be targets have moved precisely nowhere, including the daughter-in-law of hate preacher Abu Hamza, despite her being a convicted criminal.

In bed with the Saudis

May’s standing took a bashing earlier this year over cosy arrangements with the unpleasant regime in Saudi Arabia – ironically at the hands of now-vanquished rival Michael Gove.

Gove, newly empowered as Justice Secretary, forced a British exit from a £6 million contract whereby the UK government was to help run Saudi prisons.

May had lobbied for the contract, according to The Times, and lost standing within the cabinet when her attempts fell through.

Bonus! Charity scandal just as you’re standing for PM

With excellent timing, Theresa May’s upswing of fortunes in the Conservative leadership race coincided with the unveiling of a Kids Company-style charity scandal with links straight to her.

Broken Rainbows, a charity for LGBT victims of domestic abuse, gets more than half its cash from May’s Home Office.

It then, according to a length exposé by BuzzFeed News,  chucked a goodly chunk of it directly on lavish travel expenses, flowers and other nonsense for its preening CEO – raising questions about the judgment of May and those around her.

 

 

 

May has been elected. We voted and the Tories won the most seats. The Tories elect their leader. We don't have a Presedential electoral system. If you can't get that basic fact right it destroys the credibility of your whole post

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[RickMcD]

Any bloody MP can theoretically become PM. MPs and party members pick them, not the general voting public. We don't need a general election to change the PM.

[oaksoft]

9 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

 

May has been elected. We voted and the Tories won the most seats. The Tories elect their leader. We don't have a Presedential electoral system. If you can't get that basic fact right it destroys the credibility of your whole post

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9 hours ago, RickMcD said:

Any bloody MP can theoretically become PM. MPs and party members pick them, not the general voting public. We don't need a general election to change the PM.

Neither of you has the decency to present a balanced argument by mentioning that May herself told Gordon Brown that he should call an election under entirely the same circumstances.

 

[Stuart Dickson]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

 

Neither of you has the decency to present a balanced argument by mentioning that May herself told Gordon Brown that he should call an election under entirely the same circumstances.

 

Why would I have known that? I was simply presenting the facts. Only her constituents will have elected her to do anything. Just the same as was true of Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan......etc....etc....etc....since the dawn of democracy in the UK. The way our democratic electoral system works is that we vote for our local constituency MP who then goes to represent us in the big hoose. We never vote for our Prime Minister.

This is fundamentally different from the Scottish Parliament of course where we not only do not elect our First Minister, we also don't elect our regional list representatives either. They are typically a bunch of failures who were rejected in their constituencies but whose parties have awarded them a high paying, high expenses lifestyle in the Scottish Parliament basically on he basis of who is more likely to ignore the wishes of the electorate and toe the party line. 

 

Edited July 12, 2016 by Stuart Dickson

[Stuart Dickson]

So much for SNP's predicted Armageddon after Brexit

• The FTSE 250 - one week before the referendum was at 16,032 - at close yesterday 16,807. 
• The FTSE 100 - one week before the referendum was at 5,950 - at close yesterday 6,680 (an 11 month high)
• £ - € exchange rate - one week before the referendum you got €1.25 to the £, today €1.20 to the £
• £ - $ exchange rate - one week before the referendum $1.41 to the £, today you get $1.33 to the £. 
• Yields on UK Government Gilts are at an all time low meaning we are paying less interest on the national debt,
• And Boeing are to create 2,000 new UK jobs and will invest £100m in facilities at RAF Lossiemouth. 
• And more good news is expected when the latest employment figures are released on the 20th of July. 

You'd need to be completely blind not to see the SNP agenda in creating as much hysteria as possible. The sad thing is that yet again their economic predictions have been proven to be utterly woeful and completely incompetent. 

[RickMcD]

10 hours ago, oaksoft said:

 

Neither of you has the decency to present a balanced argument by mentioning that May herself told Gordon Brown that he should call an election under entirely the same circumstances.

 

The only point I was trying to make, which I don't think you understand, was that the electorate has virtually no say in the choice of PM. If they really hate a PM they have the option not to vote for his or her party. Of course it would never come to that. The party concerned would drop he or she like a hot potato.

[Lord Pityme]

6 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said:

So much for SNP's predicted Armageddon after Brexit

• The FTSE 250 - one week before the referendum was at 16,032 - at close yesterday 16,807. 
• The FTSE 100 - one week before the referendum was at 5,950 - at close yesterday 6,680 (an 11 month high)
• £ - € exchange rate - one week before the referendum you got €1.25 to the £, today €1.20 to the £
• £ - $ exchange rate - one week before the referendum $1.41 to the £, today you get $1.33 to the £. 
• Yields on UK Government Gilts are at an all time low meaning we are paying less interest on the national debt,
• And Boeing are to create 2,000 new UK jobs and will invest £100m in facilities at RAF Lossiemouth. 
• And more good news is expected when the latest employment figures are released on the 20th of July. 

You'd need to be completely blind not to see the SNP agenda in creating as much hysteria as possible. The sad thing is that yet again their economic predictions have been proven to be utterly woeful and completely incompetent. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/12/fixed-rate-dual-fuel-energy-tariffs-brexit-uswitch

Edited July 13, 2016 by Lord Pityme

[Stuart Dickson]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/12/fixed-rate-dual-fuel-energy-tariffs-brexit-uswitch

No reason to doubt the truth of the article. Our energy companies are always quick to increase prices and slow to put them down.

This is what is really happening with oil prices

http://oilprice.com/commodity-price-charts?1&page=chart&sym=CB*1

As you can see the cost per barrel has fallen in line with the fall in the value of the £ and the US Futures market are once again showing that there is an oversupply and that oil prices are likely to fall further.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Tumbles-As-API-Reports-Biggest-Inventory-Build-In-10-Weeks.html

[Lord Pityme]

43 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said:

No reason to doubt the truth of the article. Our energy companies are always quick to increase prices and slow to put them down.

This is what is really happening with oil prices

http://oilprice.com/commodity-price-charts?1&page=chart&sym=CB*1

As you can see the cost per barrel has fallen in line with the fall in the value of the £ and the US Futures market are once again showing that there is an oversupply and that oil prices are likely to fall further.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Tumbles-As-API-Reports-Biggest-Inventory-Build-In-10-Weeks.html

http://fortune.com/2016/07/11/brexit-referendum-uk-economy/

no doubt the SNP are responsible for all this too Stuart?

we are heading into recession, with a prime minister that couldnt sort out passports or know how many people were coming into, or leaving the country. No worties then!

[Stuart Dickson]

http://fortune.com/2016/07/11/brexit-referendum-uk-economy/

no doubt the SNP are responsible for all this too Stuart?

we are heading into recession, with a prime minister that couldnt sort out passports or know how many people were coming into, or leaving the country. No worties then!

There is clearly weakness at some of the companies quoted. M&S for example would have been utterly f**ked before Brexit had it not been for the strong performance of their food sales and Sainsburys have been under attack for some time from competitors. I accept that housing developers might well be exposed since the more people talk down the economy the fewer people are likely to make the biggest purchase of their lives.

We'll need to see how the rest works out. Sports Direct and Amazon grew massively during the 2008 recession as did Lidl and Aldi as shoppers looked for better value for their money. One thing is true though. Needlessly talking down the economy often leads to a self fulfilling prophesy. The actual figures don't back up SNP hysteria - hysteria they are clearly trying to spread to take the UK economy into recession

[Lord Pityme]

1 hour ago, Stuart Dickson said:

 

There is clearly weakness at some of the companies quoted. M&S for example would have been utterly f**ked before Brexit had it not been for the strong performance of their food sales and Sainsburys have been under attack for some time from competitors. I accept that housing developers might well be exposed since the more people talk down the economy the fewer people are likely to make the biggest purchase of their lives.

We'll need to see how the rest works out. Sports Direct and Amazon grew massively during the 2008 recession as did Lidl and Aldi as shoppers looked for better value for their money. One thing is true though. Needlessly talking down the economy often leads to a self fulfilling prophesy. The actual figures don't back up SNP hysteria - hysteria they are clearly trying to spread to take the UK economy into recession

 

Hmm..... which opinion carries the most weight on post Brexit economic fall out???

a variety of CEO's from large multinational companies...

or

a pipefitter from Wishaw..?

its a toughie!

[Stuart Dickson]

41 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Hmm..... which opinion carries the most weight on post Brexit economic fall out???

a variety of CEO's from large multinational companies...

or

a pipefitter from Wishaw..?

its a toughie!

True. However it wasn't that long ago SNP supporters on this very website were telling us that CEO's of large multinational companies knew f**k all about economics and were telling us all to ignore them and to vote for Scottish Independence regardless.

There's obviously going to be some volatility but some of the CEO's you've quoted in that article were clearly unconcerned. What is obvious though is that if you keep telling everyone the pound is tanking and that £bns are being wiped of the value of shares - when the reality is totally different - you may just convince some people who are incapable of doing their own Google search to hold onto their money rather than spend it, which then pushes the economy into a recession. It's certainly the tactic the SNP appear to be keen to run with regardless of the effect it could have on inward investment, jobs and pay rises in this country. I suppose this is what they meant by fighting for Scotland  

[Lord Pityme]

35 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said:

True. However it wasn't that long ago SNP supporters on this very website were telling us that CEO's of large multinational companies knew f**k all about economics and were telling us all to ignore them and to vote for Scottish Independence regardless.

There's obviously going to be some volatility but some of the CEO's you've quoted in that article were clearly unconcerned. What is obvious though is that if you keep telling everyone the pound is tanking and that £bns are being wiped of the value of shares - when the reality is totally different - you may just convince some people who are incapable of doing their own Google search to hold onto their money rather than spend it, which then pushes the economy into a recession. It's certainly the tactic the SNP appear to be keen to run with regardless of the effect it could have on inward investment, jobs and pay rises in this country. I suppose this is what they meant by fighting for Scotland  

In the fairness of balance Some things have risen since Brexit though!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/racism-hate-crimes-increase-brexit-eu-referendum-a7113091.html

Edited July 13, 2016 by Lord Pityme

[Stuart Dickson]

In the fairness of balance Some things have risen since Brexit though!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/racism-hate-crimes-increase-brexit-eu-referendum-a7113091.html

Oaksoft has already posted this article. I'm not denying it but I do still find it incredible that in a country of 60million+ there is only 331 reported instances of racism. I'm sure most of us have been to football matches in the past where more than that could have been reported at one match alone.

Not excusing anything but could it be that the number of racists in the UK hasn't actually increased at all since the referendum and that actually what has changed is that some of the victims are more likely to report than the were say 4 weeks ago?

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Just to add Kendo I will vote No to Independence

[Kendo]

50 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Just to add Kendo I will vote No to Independence

I think it's a bit early to say what way we will vote. After the Brexit has been negotiated there will be people happy and others not so happy. I believe that there will be another referendum that will result in Britain remaining part of the EU thus eliminating the need for a Scottish referendum.

[Stuart Dickson]

I see the FTSE 100 and 250 has continued to surge and the £ has continued to surge this morning as speculation increase that the Bank Of England won't cut interest rates today.

So much for the "tanking" economy. A number of people should be hanging their heads in shame for spreading ridiculous hysteria without ever checking the facts. On the plus side the SNP look even more silly with yet another wildly inaccurate set of statements and predictions about the economy. Who would ever trust them?

[Big Jake]

I see the FTSE 100 and 250 has continued to surge and the £ has continued to surge this morning as speculation increase that the Bank Of England won't cut interest rates today.

So much for the "tanking" economy. A number of people should be hanging their heads in shame for spreading ridiculous hysteria without ever checking the facts. On the plus side the SNP look even more silly with yet another wildly inaccurate set of statements and predictions about the economy. Who would ever trust them?

I'm sure all the folk who have been made redundant and the others who have fears over their jobs being relocated out of the U.K. will be delighted to hear your news [emoji53]

[Stuart Dickson]

I'm sure all the folk who have been made redundant and the others who have fears over their jobs being relocated out of the U.K. will be delighted to hear your news [emoji53]

Well we will see how accurate that statement is in the next few days when we get the latest jobs figures. Last I saw we had record levels of employment and that was before Boeing announce 2000 new jobs in the UK two days ago.

[ford prefect]

Only a simpleton or a troll would claim less than a month after a vote that because the sky hasn't fallen in, it was the right decision. The time to look at it is in 20 years and compare our Gdp growth to Europe. That'll tell us if it was right

[BuddieinEK]

Only a simpleton or a troll would claim less than a month after a vote that because the sky hasn't fallen in, it was the right decision. The time to look at it is in 20 years and compare our Gdp growth to Europe. That'll tell us if it was right

Playing the devil's advocate here... But if that is the case, how is it that so many can confidently state that the wrong decision was made?

[Bud the Baker]

22 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

 

 

 

 

Playing the devil's advocate here... But if that is the case, how is it that so many can confidently state that the wrong decision was made?

 

 

or the right one?