Stuart Dickson Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 35 minutes ago, tony soprano said: Tonight's news full of the headlines about Nissan deciding to build a new qashqai and x-trail at their Sunderland plant, despite Brexit. Hmmm... It's great news but it was actually completely expected as anyone who watched This Week knows full well. The SNP has made an arse of itself talking about how companies would flee the UK. Nissan have proved the point, and the people of Sunderland voted leave in massive numbers. Edited October 27, 2016 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 It's great news but it was actually completely expected as anyone who watched This Week knows full well. The SNP has made an arse of itself talking about how companies would flee the UK. Nissan have proved the point, and the people of Sunderland voted leave in massive numbers. Are you really thick or extremely gullible?Nissan wanted reassurance over tariffs and free movement of people amongst others. They've got neither yet announce that they are staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Quite an interesting story from Lithuania during the week. There an 'anti emigration' party came from nowhere to win the election.They ran on a promise to limit the amount of young Lithuanians leaving the country and going to places like... well places like Britain. Over half the emigrants leaving there have came here since 2004 and their population has fell by 10% as a result, and they won. Can understand why, if that continues they'll hardly be anyone left in the east of Europe in a generation.The free movement of people isn't working on both sides of the divide. The brain drain of talent from east to west is causing problems on both sides of the continent, and it's about to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, tony soprano said: Are you really thick or extremely gullible? Nissan wanted reassurance over tariffs and free movement of people amongst others. They've got neither yet announce that they are staying. As was rightly highlighted by Michael Portillo tonight, the pound has fallen by 15% against the Dollar, and the worst case scenario would be that we'd have to pay 10% tax to export these cars to the US. So without assurances or anything else for that matter, the good people at Nissan are rubbing their hands together with glee at the current situation. Official figures also show that the UK is exporting more cars to Europe and all around the world today than we have ever done before. You silly Nationalists are the ones struggling with the concept of how the world of business works. There's no surprise in that at all. The fact that the pound has fallen offsets any concerns over export tax, and it's fantastic news for the UK's exporters. The SNP should be delighted. It will certainly help boost whisky sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 It's great news but it was actually completely expected as anyone who watched This Week knows full well. The SNP has made an arse of itself talking about how companies would flee the UK. Nissan have proved the point, and the people of Sunderland voted leave in massive numbers. As was rightly highlighted by Michael Portillo tonight, the pound has fallen by 15% against the Dollar, and the worst case scenario would be that we'd have to pay 10% tax to export these cars to the US. So without assurances or anything else for that matter, the good people at Nissan are rubbing their hands together with glee at the current situation. Official figures also show that the UK is exporting more cars to Europe and all around the world today than we have ever done before. You silly Nationalists are the ones struggling with the concept of how the world of business works. There's no surprise in that at all. The fact that the pound has fallen offsets any concerns over export tax, and it's fantastic news for the UK's exporters. The SNP should be delighted. It will certainly help boost whisky sales. What a pile of wanky pish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 As was rightly highlighted by Michael Portillo tonight, the pound has fallen by 15% against the Dollar, and the worst case scenario would be that we'd have to pay 10% tax to export these cars to the US. So without assurances or anything else for that matter, the good people at Nissan are rubbing their hands together with glee at the current situation. Official figures also show that the UK is exporting more cars to Europe and all around the world today than we have ever done before. You silly Nationalists are the ones struggling with the concept of how the world of business works. There's no surprise in that at all. The fact that the pound has fallen offsets any concerns over export tax, and it's fantastic news for the UK's exporters. The SNP should be delighted. It will certainly help boost whisky sales. 'Current situation'Companies like Nissan look a wee bit further ahead that the here and now. While they will be delighted that their exports are now cheaper (btw they export to Europe where they use euros not dollars) this might not be the case next year or in 2018.So I'll repeat, they wanted reassurance from gov prior to committing. This reassurance has been given but not made public.Of course now every other industry and sector will be demanding the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 'Current situation'Companies like Nissan look a wee bit further ahead that the here and now. While they will be delighted that their exports are now cheaper (btw they export to Europe where they use euros not dollars) this might not be the case next year or in 2018.So I'll repeat, they wanted reassurance from gov prior to committing. This reassurance has been given but not made public.Of course now every other industry and sector will be demanding the same. The same as what? The official line was that the UK government would remain committed to R&D in the automotive industry. No-one who was party to the talks has hinted at anything more than that. You are simply doing what all left whingers do. Instead of cheering positive job news you look for a reason to talk the country down and to destabilise the jobs market. That's why the Conservatives can rightly claim to be the party of the worker. All of the economic indicators since Brexit shows that the Remain campaign operated with all the economic accuracy of the SNP. The economy is still growing, interest rates have fallen, we've got record numbers of people in work and the multi national companies haven't taken flight. At the same time the EU is under more pressure with Spain needing a bail out, Italy on the verge of collapse, Greece f**ked and countries like Lithuania seeking to scrap Freedom of Movement and to reimpose immigration controls. I voted Remain. What a fool I was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 The same as what? The official line was that the UK government would remain committed to R&D in the automotive industry. No-one who was party to the talks has hinted at anything more than that. You are simply doing what all left whingers do. Instead of cheering positive job news you look for a reason to talk the country down and to destabilise the jobs market. That's why the Conservatives can rightly claim to be the party of the worker. All of the economic indicators since Brexit shows that the Remain campaign operated with all the economic accuracy of the SNP. The economy is still growing, interest rates have fallen, we've got record numbers of people in work and the multi national companies haven't taken flight. At the same time the EU is under more pressure with Spain needing a bail out, Italy on the verge of collapse, Greece f**ked and countries like Lithuania seeking to scrap Freedom of Movement and to reimpose immigration controls. I voted Remain. What a fool I was. What a pile of wanky pish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 12 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said: As was rightly highlighted by Michael Portillo tonight, the pound has fallen by 15% against the Dollar, and the worst case scenario would be that we'd have to pay 10% tax to export these cars to the US. So without assurances or anything else for that matter, the good people at Nissan are rubbing their hands together with glee at the current situation. Official figures also show that the UK is exporting more cars to Europe and all around the world today than we have ever done before. You silly Nationalists are the ones struggling with the concept of how the world of business works. There's no surprise in that at all. The fact that the pound has fallen offsets any concerns over export tax, and it's fantastic news for the UK's exporters. The SNP should be delighted. It will certainly help boost whisky sales. Re the bit in bold Does the fact that most of the materials and components have to be bought from overseas with that self-same weaker pound not bother you? Though you are right about whisky if made from UK sourced ingredients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, tony soprano said: Tonight's news full of the headlines about Nissan deciding to build a new qashqai and x-trail at their Sunderland plant, despite Brexit. Hmmm... Nissan have outlined the current position, but like all businesses they will change or ratify previous decisions based on conditions as they develop. i like the sentiment, however the UK has secured similar promises from industry in the past that remained unfulfilled. Remember the massive Hyundai semi-conductor facility in Fife? The tory folly is all but gone and Freddie Shephard has all but covered the site in houses now. ETA This was a smart move by Nissan. Now no-one is asking them about their plans and all the attention has gone elsewhere. They either now get massive support to stay or they have a gilt-edged excuse for moving out of the UK if the tories can't deliver Edited October 28, 2016 by beyond our ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 What a fool I was. There's really no need to use the past tense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Nissan have outlined the current position, but like all businesses they will change or ratify previous decisions based on conditions as they develop. i like the sentiment, however the UK has secured similar promises from industry in the past that remained unfulfilled. Remember the massive Hyundai semi-conductor facility in Fife? The tory folly is all but gone and Freddie Shephard has all but covered the site in houses now. ETA This was a smart move by Nissan. Now no-one is asking them about their plans and all the attention has gone elsewhere. They either now get massive support to stay or they have a gilt-edged excuse for moving out of the UK if the tories can't deliver I think you perhaps mean the Chawunga picture Tubes place at Eurocentral. There were some serious flaws in the way that contract was negotiated by the then Labour Government. Anyway the Nissan commitment is longer term than you think. For a start production of the next generation Qashqai isn't expected to start till 2018. The Qashqai is the biggest selling Nissan model by miles right across the world. I'd imagine the investment Nissan will be making will secure jobs at Sunderland for at least the next 10 years. Nissan have also being saying they'll need to recruit more than 1000 new employees too. Bloody impressive in a jobs blackspot like the North East of England. Yet rather than congratulate and celebrate the good news the left appear to be crying into their cornflakes bleating that public money might have been used to keep the jobs going - the very thing those hypocritical bastard s were calling for to save steel plants in Scotland, Wales and Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Now how could I mean chungwa when I said hyundai? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 'the left' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, beyond our ken said: Now how could I mean chungwa when I said hyundai? Same way as he knows how you think. "Anyway the Nissan commitment is longer term than you think." He's a master of wanky pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think you perhaps mean the Chawunga picture Tubes place at Eurocentral. There were some serious flaws in the way that contract was negotiated by the then Labour Government. Anyway the Nissan commitment is longer term than you think. For a start production of the next generation Qashqai isn't expected to start till 2018. The Qashqai is the biggest selling Nissan model by miles right across the world. I'd imagine the investment Nissan will be making will secure jobs at Sunderland for at least the next 10 years. Nissan have also being saying they'll need to recruit more than 1000 new employees too. Bloody impressive in a jobs blackspot like the North East of England. Yet rather than congratulate and celebrate the good news the left appear to be crying into their cornflakes bleating that public money might have been used to keep the jobs going - the very thing those hypocritical bastard s were calling for to save steel plants in Scotland, Wales and Sheffield. What a pile of wanky pish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Scotland's First Minister today unveiled proposals for Scotland's future relationship with Europe. Sturgeon appears to be offering negotiation as the way forward. The paper was broadly welcomed by a wide range of bodies across Scotland, the UK and Europe. The UK Gov says it will study the proposals "closely" The Unionist opposition parties at Holyrood made noises about independence and #SNPbad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 No disrespect to Sturgeon, but negotiation is all she can offer. May is no different. and the EU is forced to do the same. There is no magic wand, no panacea, no curing of all ills and sorting of grievances, just boringly ongoing negotiations by everyone in order to bodge up ways for us all to inevitably keep living together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 No disrespect to Sturgeon, but negotiation is all she can offer. May is no different. and the EU is forced to do the same. There is no magic wand, no panacea, no curing of all ills and sorting of grievances, just boringly ongoing negotiations by everyone in order to bodge up ways for us all to inevitably keep living together. Yeah, but it's good to see her publish something. Now if May could do similar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 15 hours ago, tony soprano said: Scotland's First Minister today unveiled proposals for Scotland's future relationship with Europe. Sturgeon appears to be offering negotiation as the way forward. The paper was broadly welcomed by a wide range of bodies across Scotland, the UK and Europe. The UK Gov says it will study the proposals "closely" The Unionist opposition parties at Holyrood made noises about independence and #SNPbad I heard there was one wide body who didn't welcome it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I wasn't paying much attention to this till now http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14981067.Sturgeon__39_s_soft_Brexit_plan_labelled__quot_complete_madness_quot__after_10_year_delay_emerges/?ref=ebln?c=bvjll8h7yisrmum78pvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I wasn't paying much attention to this till now http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14981067.Sturgeon__39_s_soft_Brexit_plan_labelled__quot_complete_madness_quot__after_10_year_delay_emerges/?ref=ebln?c=bvjll8h7yisrmum78pvi What a pile of wanky pish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 20 hours ago, tony soprano said: Yeah, but it's good to see her publish something. Now if May could do similar... It will be fun when she eventually does. It will send an already hugely divided party into outright civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 20 hours ago, tony soprano said: Yeah, but it's good to see her publish something. Now if May could do similar... Whilst I have made my stance clear, I am for Scotland trading us a single market at some point, I am totally against the UK government publishing anything at this stage... We don't hold any cards, so we cant play them This is not a Tory problem its a UK one... around 10m voted Tory but over 17m voted leave. People forget this. 17m have never voted for anything. Thats a message The same fear that plagued the SNP campaign of 2014, is now being played by the SNP with leave.... Its totally harmful and selfish History will show Cameron as one of the most useless and destructive PMs of all time, Blair may well have done Iran, but Cameron did Britain. If Cameron had given the Devo Max that Salmond wanted we never would have got 45% Independence, also if Cameron had actually listened to the electorate and the fact that UKIP got 4.2m votes, he never should have given a leave EU in 2016. There is a mugginess with SNP , that's plaguing Scotland............... Its almost , we cant lose here..... well we can..... We now have close to Devo Max............ SNP..... run our country........... show what we are capable of............ or please lose and let another party run our affairs. Fed up with this England are dragging us down shit, I work in the North of England Public Sector and trust me we are far better off than they are.......... Thats why the voted in their millions for a voice and change We are not victims, the world is in a bad place, it was a shocking idea to have that vote this year, but its a good idea that federalism stops, it just doesn't work, we just should never have jumped, that totally weakened our position................. So before we paint our faces, wear kilts and do all the other things that didn't happen in William Wallaces spat, its time to survive, not split... Oh, just for the record, the Torys are despicable in every way however at this point, over next 2 years, we have to support, and if you cant see that, then like Culloden we are heading for an another massacre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Whilst I have made my stance clear, I am for Scotland trading us a single market at some point, I am totally against the UK government publishing anything at this stage... We don't hold any cards, so we cant play them This is not a Tory problem its a UK one... around 10m voted Tory but over 17m voted leave. People forget this. 17m have never voted for anything. Thats a message The same fear that plagued the SNP campaign of 2014, is now being played by the SNP with leave.... Its totally harmful and selfish History will show Cameron as one of the most useless and destructive PMs of all time, Blair may well have done Iran, but Cameron did Britain. If Cameron had given the Devo Max that Salmond wanted we never would have got 45% Independence, also if Cameron had actually listened to the electorate and the fact that UKIP got 4.2m votes, he never should have given a leave EU in 2016. There is a mugginess with SNP , that's plaguing Scotland............... Its almost , we cant lose here..... well we can..... We now have close to Devo Max............ SNP..... run our country........... show what we are capable of............ or please lose and let another party run our affairs. Fed up with this England are dragging us down shit, I work in the North of England Public Sector and trust me we are far better off than they are.......... Thats why the voted in their millions for a voice and change We are not victims, the world is in a bad place, it was a shocking idea to have that vote this year, but its a good idea that federalism stops, it just doesn't work, we just should never have jumped, that totally weakened our position................. So before we paint our faces, wear kilts and do all the other things that didn't happen in William Wallaces spat, its time to survive, not split... Oh, just for the record, the Torys are despicable in every way however at this point, over next 2 years, we have to support, and if you cant see that, then like Culloden we are heading for an another massacre In other words. #SNPBaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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