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Oh good. So yet another Natsi who would dismiss the loss of 3.8% of our exports as being unimportant. 

You do know that in Scottish terms that would equate to the loss of £2.8Bn worth of business don't you? 


You stated it was absolutely massive.
If 3.8% of an independent Scotland's exports is absolutely massive, then what does that make the other 96.2%.

Keep up the good work selling an independent Scotland!

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59 minutes ago, tony soprano said:


You stated it was absolutely massive.
If 3.8% of an independent Scotland's exports is absolutely massive, then what does that make the other 96.2%.

Keep up the good work selling an independent Scotland! emoji3.png

I stated 3.8% of Scotlands exports is £2.8Bn. Losing that amount of business would be absolutely massive in an economy which is already desperately in need of it's subsidy from the UK, who btw are where Scotland sells 64% of it's total exports. If you think that is selling Independence you are thicker than I ever thought. Do you, Cockles and Slarti combined have more brain cells than there are blue M&M's in this packet of Christmas M&M's. I seriously doubt it. :rolleyes:

 

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I stated 3.8% of Scotlands exports is £2.8Bn. Losing that amount of business would be absolutely massive in an economy which is already desperately in need of it's subsidy from the UK, who btw are where Scotland sells 64% of it's total exports. If you think that is selling Independence you are thicker than I ever thought. Do you, Cockles and Slarti combined have more brain cells than there are blue M&M's in this packet of Christmas M&M's. I seriously doubt it. :rolleyes:

 

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Fatboy posts a picture of a bag of sweets, hoodathunkit?

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Oh good. So yet another Natsi who would dismiss the loss of 3.8% of our exports as being unimportant. 

You do know that in Scottish terms that would equate to the loss of £2.8Bn worth of business don't you? 


Whatever the monetary value I would not want to lose any of it. 

Tell me Slarti - if your boss offers you a 3.8% wage cut in your annual review will you write it off as insignificant? 


I stated 3.8% of Scotlands exports is £2.8Bn. Losing that amount of business would be absolutely massive in an economy which is already desperately in need of it's subsidy from the UK, who btw are where Scotland sells 64% of it's total exports. If you think that is selling Independence you are thicker than I ever thought. Do you, Cockles and Slarti combined have more brain cells than there are blue M&M's in this packet of Christmas M&M's. I seriously doubt it. :rolleyes:

 

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What a pile of wanky pish...

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15 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

I find out things every day that I had little or no idea about, it's part of my job and I'm very good at it.  What you're referring to is anyone's guess, though.

So basically everything you were slabbering about regarding the EU was garbage. Thats what I was referring to.

 

Hows the split in the SNP going BTW?

 

I heard it was serious.

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5 hours ago, Reynard said:

So basically everything you were slabbering about regarding the EU was garbage. Thats what I was referring to.

 

Hows the split in the SNP going BTW?

 

I heard it was serious.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in relation to what you were replying to.  Not in any logical way, that is, but maybe it does in your head.

I wouldn't know about the SNP as I'm not a member of the SNP, I've mentioned that lots of times on here.  Why would you think I know anything about it?

Did you hear it at one of Dicko's imaginary dinner parties?

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Oh good. So yet another Natsi who would dismiss the loss of 3.8% of our exports as being unimportant. 

You do know that in Scottish terms that would equate to the loss of £2.8Bn worth of business don't you? 



It would actually be £2.9bn

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On ‎26‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 11:37 AM, Stuart Dickson said:

Really Bud? An alternative to right wing government? Have you had a look round European politics? In Germany Merkel, more right wing than Cameron, is practically untouchable. In France the Socialist government is unlikely to survive the next election and there's a real possibility of Le Pens National Front - more right wing than the BNP - taking office. In Austria and Poland far right politics is on the rise. In Sweden the far right hold the balance of power currently and in Denmark their right wing government is heavily influenced by a popular far right party. And in Greece the most violent right wing party in Europe, Golden Dawn, with a leader who says he admires Hitler, is the third most popular party with a growing membership and increase popularity.

Now I voted Remain and stated, as did you, that I didn't care about the outcome but if your motive is avoiding right wing politics the EU is the last place you should be looking.

Nope - busted flush in the Presidential Election yesterday (like I predicted) and they'll do no better in the Parliamentary one next month. As for your prediction that the "populist right" were going to bring down Europe from within this year - Austria: failed, Netherlands: failed and humiliated Germany: the AfD are struggling to even make it to the election without completely imploding. Meanwhile Theresa May looks more & more like Poll Tax Era Thatcher with her pandering to UKIP voters.

As I said at the time  

On ‎26‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 1:33 PM, Bud the Baker said:

Some specific points -

Merkel more right wing than Cameron - Merkel is a Christian Democrat who are generally considered centre-right as opposed to Cameron who is Conservative and just plain old right wing.

The French NF might be the largest single party in the first round like 2014/15 but in the second round when it's a run-off between the top two they'll lose as they always do.

The current Swedish coalition government is centre left/green, there are no parties in the Swedish parliament that would be considered far right like UKIP or the French NF.

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As I've stated above I'm under no illusion that the EU and it's parliament is perfect but it's a better option than Westminster and the Tories who in the last election moved to the right to attract UKIP voters and contain the deeply unpalatable Britannia Unchained faction who already have a member, Priti Patel, at Cabinet level (unlike the far right in Denmark). The UK Conservative Party is currently the most right wing party in government within the EU and it looks to be heading even further from the centre in reaction to Thursday's result ahead of it's departure.

I'm happy with NS's current strategy.

One of us was right.

 

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RD agreeing that calls for IndyRef2 would be legitimate if the SNP won a majority at Holyrood in May 2021 - first question that springs to mind is would she quibble over a situation where Green/SNP combined to vote for one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48607722

All we need now is a coupla "marquee" signings! :clapping

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1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said:

RD agreeing that calls for IndyRef2 would be legitimate if the SNP won a majority at Holyrood in May 2021 - first question that springs to mind is would she quibble over a situation where Green/SNP combined to vote for one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48607722

All we need now is a coupla "marquee" signings! :clapping

We already have a stated majority for independence at Holyrood between green and snp members-we should also consider the possibility of other parties harbouring members with a leaning that way who are currently shtum on the subject.

Ruthie is playing games here, her comments are full of twists and turns and she is yet again playing to her gallery of people who need someone to fear more than they fear her.

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21 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

We already have a stated majority for independence at Holyrood between green and snp members-we should also consider the possibility of other parties harbouring members with a leaning that way who are currently shtum on the subject.

Ruthie is playing games here, her comments are full of twists and turns and she is yet again playing to her gallery of people who need someone to fear more than they fear her.

Sure it's a tactical move by RD and I already pointed out there's wriggle room in her statement but it's one I'd say the SNP would do well to take up. The last Holyrood election was May 2016 prior to the Euro Referendum and I don't recall IndyRef2 being on the agenda. If the SNP/Green win a majority in 2021 on an IndyRef 2 platform I think it would be hard for Tories, Labour (if they're still there), the Lib/Dems & potentially the Brexit party to prevent a new independence referendum.

IMO the Brexit mess will still not be sorted by then so time shouldn't be an issue.

I'm a bit surprised at Ruthie's statement but perhaps she's realised that her two main topics of conversation "once in a generation" & "get on with the day job" are beginning to sound a bit tired. Also her status as potential "rising star" and future Tory leader at UK level will probably take a hit if, as seems likely, the current battle leads to a "No Dealer" winning!

 

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The last Holyrood election was May 2016 prior to the Euro Referendum and I don't recall IndyRef2 being on the agenda.
 


You have a very poor memory, Bud, it was one of the main parts of the campaign. This is an extract from the manifesto:

"We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will."

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Ruth the untruth claims their is currently no mandate for another indyref despite snp having it in their manifesto and winning a vote in Parliament for it.
She also seems to ignore that her party are in a minority government at Westminster.
Also she knows that holyrood voting system I'd designed to not have a majority.

It would be good if she was questioned on these pronouncements instead of the media treating them as little more than party media releases.

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A couple of posters trying to rewrite history above.

The SNP were largely quiet on the Indyref2 and it certainly was not campaigned on with any real vigour. Their re-election as the Holyrood government was certainly not a mandate for Indyref2 in any way, shape or form. It is just ridiculous to suggest orherwise.

They should certainly run the 2021 campaign largely on Indyref2 IMO and I think they will probably win a majority anyway. Then I think they will have real democratic clout.

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On 6/24/2016 at 12:09 PM, faraway saint said:
On 6/24/2016 at 11:56 AM, BuddieinEK said:

STF up hen and get on with your proper job... the one you were elected to do.

Scottish electorate = 4,283,938,

votes cast in EU referendum...

leave 1,018,322,

remain 1,661,191 =

Total votes 2,679.315...

which means that 1.6 million couldn't be arsed......... The same number that voted remain.

Over one million Scots voted to leave. .. ... You said you wanted to represent ALL Scots... Not just SNP voters... so Nicola you can go play with the traffic...

You have NO mandate for your very predictable yet tiresome response.

what's your point?

Really?  what's your point? are you off your f**king trolly, can you not read? Really?  You might disagree but ...............what's your point? You really are a dumplinG.

 

Oh, off course  ..................... in my humble opinion.

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A couple of posters trying to rewrite history above.

The SNP were largely quiet on the Indyref2 and it certainly was not campaigned on with any real vigour. Their re-election as the Holyrood government was certainly not a mandate for Indyref2 in any way, shape or form. It is just ridiculous to suggest orherwise.

They should certainly run the 2021 campaign largely on Indyref2 IMO and I think they will probably win a majority anyway. Then I think they will have real democratic clout.

 

Pish. I'll make it easy for you by quoting from the manifesto that the current government was elected on:

 

"We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will."

 

As soon as Scotland is taken out of the EU against its will the mandate is in place.

 

 

 

 

 

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After Brexit (and I believe it will happen) there’s no guarantee that Scotland will gain entry back into the EU, it could take years for that. A bit like SEVCO trying to get straight back into the premier league.

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