shull Posted January 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, shull said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Yflab said: Fcuk the Union Gordon Brown! Freedom ya bas! https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/11/how-save-united-kingdom This is an interesting watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian Saint Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Even the BBC had to issue a “Who is Richard Leonard?” profile page in the last hour. That’s how much of a minority party Labour have become in Scotland. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54120195There’s a Labour Party in Scotland? [emoji15] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Russian Saint said: There’s a Labour Party in Scotland? No. There's not a proper one in England either anymore. Edited January 15, 2021 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 hours ago, stlucifer said: No. There's not a proper one in England either anymore. What do you define as proper ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, lenziebud said: What do you define as proper ? One that actually reflects the original aims of the labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, stlucifer said: One that actually reflects the original aims of the labour party. How did that go at the last election ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, lenziebud said: How did that go at the last election ? Outwith the "little England" mentality over brexit, a lot of the problems at the last election were driven WITHIN the labour party. The "Blairites" never accepted the leader and his direction. They openly criticised their leader. It was, and still is, a fractured party. Better to look at the election before and the massive gains Corbyn made to see how a level playing field showed that a "real" Labour party could benefit from real labour policies. ETA. Not that I helped their cause because I will always vote SNP UNTIL we get independence. It's only after this I will choose which Scottish party will deserve my support. Edited January 15, 2021 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, stlucifer said: Outwith the "little England" mentality over brexit, a lot of the problems at the last election were driven WITHIN the labour party. The "Blairites" never accepted the leader and his direction. They openly criticised their leader. It was, and still is, a fractured party. Better to look at the election before and the massive gains Corbyn made to see how a level playing field showed that a "real" Labour party could benefit from real labour policies. ETA. Not that I helped their cause because I will always vote SNP UNTIL we get independence. It's only after this I will choose which Scottish party will deserve my support. When I look at Corbyn gains I see the worst Tory campaign in living memory and the worst Tory campaigning prime minister ever in May. On SNP watching the debate between Neil and Wilson I posted previous should IMO be cause for concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oaksoft Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, stlucifer said: Outwith the "little England" mentality over brexit, a lot of the problems at the last election were driven WITHIN the labour party. The "Blairites" never accepted the leader and his direction. They openly criticised their leader. It was, and still is, a fractured party. Better to look at the election before and the massive gains Corbyn made to see how a level playing field showed that a "real" Labour party could benefit from real labour policies. ETA. Not that I helped their cause because I will always vote SNP UNTIL we get independence. It's only after this I will choose which Scottish party will deserve my support. Labour lost because the public weren't interested enough in their policies and they didn't trust Corbyn to run the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Labour lost because the public weren't interested enough in their policies and they didn't trust Corbyn to run the country. I think a more significant reason for Labour doing poorly at polls is that the Press and other media are firmly funded to stop them getting the message out - or simply distorting the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Fuxake, she is the Devil. 👹 1 hour ago, shull said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, lenziebud said: When I look at Corbyn gains I see the worst Tory campaign in living memory and the worst Tory campaigning prime minister ever in May. On SNP watching the debate between Neil and Wilson I posted previous should IMO be cause for concern. So... Corbyn won because of the tories and Corbyn lost because of Corbyn? That makes sense. As for the SNP. After Independence is achieved they will be either insignificant or non existent so how anyone performs against a media bully is neither here nor there. I believe in the ideal, not individuals in the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, stlucifer said: So... Corbyn won because of the tories and Corbyn lost because of Corbyn? That makes sense. As for the SNP. After Independence is achieved they will be either insignificant or non existent so how anyone performs against a media bully is neither here nor there. I believe in the ideal, not individuals in the party. A media bully, hmm. I'd say ruthlessly exposing incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, antrin said: I think a more significant reason for Labour doing poorly at polls is that the Press and other media are firmly funded to stop them getting the message out - or simply distorting the message. 100% and will be the same here come election day. fortunately most of us up here are a bit more savvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 It seems wee Nicky is starting to lose the crowd. Scottish independence and SNP support dips slightly in new poll A new poll has shown a slight dip in support for both Scottish independence and the SNP. Research by Survation suggests 52% of Scots back the country leaving the rest of the UK – a drop of two percentage points from November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 9:24 PM, portmahomack saint said: 100% and will be the same here come election day. fortunately most of us up here are a bit more savvy Always amazes me how superior Scottish people think they are. We are no more savvy than any other nation and that includes England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, faraway saint said: It seems wee Nicky is starting to lose the crowd. Scottish independence and SNP support dips slightly in new poll A new poll has shown a slight dip in support for both Scottish independence and the SNP. Research by Survation suggests 52% of Scots back the country leaving the rest of the UK – a drop of two percentage points from November. Should be interesting to see that number after she has to resign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Always amazes me how superior Scottish people think they are. We are no more savvy than any other nation and that includes England It's a British disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 21 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Always amazes me how superior Scottish people think they are. We are no more savvy than any other nation and that includes England I said most of us, that didn't include you or Faraway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Should be interesting to see that number after she has to resignResign for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said: 25 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Should be interesting to see that number after she has to resign Resign for what? Everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slarti Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Always amazes me how superior Scottish people think they are. We are no more savvy than any other nation and that includes EnglandEh, nearly half of Americans voted for Trump, that alone proves you wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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