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On 4/29/2021 at 9:01 AM, oaksoft said:

The problem the SNP have is that anything short of a full majority is going to look like failure and might well kill any chance of a referendum being allowed.

It really is an incredibly ridiculous situation to be in but that's the reality.

Any gloating from the opposition should be tempered with the realisation that it could well be decades before the SNP lose power at Holyrood and IMO that challenge will end up coming from the Greens as environmental issues start to dominate the middle years of the century.

Hmm, I'm not so sure the opposition may not come from within the SNP itself ?

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5 hours ago, salmonbuddie said:
6 hours ago, oaksoft said:
So you WOULD send your kids to private school.
So why the hell are you having a go at him for doing it when you would do exactly the same?
It's just this sort of plastic lefty nonsense which attracts ridicule.
BTW, I DID read your post and I DID understand it. What I didn't do was read your subsequent post first. Compared to your utter rank hypocrisy, I believe I can live with my failing.

And there's the "not understanding" part. Between this and Peter Weir you're having a mare, oaky, stop while you're behind.

Oh don't worry. I got my answer.

You've outed yourself as just another plastic lefty. Just like Bud the Baker.

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37 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

Hmm, I'm not so sure the opposition may not come from within the SNP itself ?

It might well do depending on how the independence drive goes.

There are certainly people who are shit scared of doing anything on independence and those who want to go all Braveheart on us and make a UDI in the morning.

Also, power does funny things to people. All sorts of people start to get drunk on it and begin to make anti-leadership noises they wouldn't have dared make 14 years ago.

The issue of independence is holding a pretty disparate group of people right now. One way or another, that can't last forever but this is true of all parties who coalesce behind a few common ideals.

Back in the real world of today though, they are still the only game in town and any dreams of them losing power any time soon are pure fantasy IMO.

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f**k me, the plastic lefties are all out in force tonight.

Abolish private health care?

Abolish private schooling?

And yet they'd use them at the drop of a hat if they could afford it.

If they can't have it, nobody can?

Is there anything more nasty than the politics of envy and spite?

Seriously, is there a full moon at the moment? 

What a state this thread is tonight. :D

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5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Oh don't worry. I got my answer.

You've outed yourself as just another plastic lefty. Just like Bud the Baker.

We've established that you don't respect "real" lefties either so it's a pointless insult. :1eye

This spat all started over Faraway's comparison between Starmer & Sarwar - I have no grievance with a  successful man like Starmer leading the Labour Party at UK level but not Sarwar at branch level for the reasons given.

As the diversion continued into specific policies the salient point is that every Tory leader since Thatcher has made an opening speech promising to "level up" and gone on to do the opposite.

You acknowledge that the real challenge over the coming decades will be to be to protect the environment but you're unwilling to recognize that any successful solution to this must come from a Green/Red alliance and "ridiculous taxes:1eye this will inevitably bring.

I look forward to your next unpleasant epistle...<_<

 

 

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f**k me, the plastic lefties are all out in force tonight.
Abolish private health care?
Abolish private schooling?
And yet they'd use them at the drop of a hat if they could afford it.
If they can't have it, nobody can?
Is there anything more nasty than the politics of envy and spite?
Seriously, is there a full moon at the moment? 
What a state this thread is tonight. 


Really? Where did anyone say any of that? You really are incapable of comprehending the English language, aren't you.

Your pathetic ad hominem attacks won't work, either.

To summarise, and speaking for myself only.

Do I, personally, understand parents doing anything in otheir power to give their kids a 'better' start in life? Of course I do, I'm a father and a grandfather.

Would I have paid for private education for that reason? I genuinely don't know, I would've had lots of thinking to do. The end result of generations of sending kids to private education is exemplified by the fekkers currently in power at WM.

Would I pay for private health care for me or my family? If it was life threatening, in a heartbeat.

However, those are subjective views. Looking at things objectively (that means looking at the bigger picture, oaky, I know you struggle with these things) then I firmly believe that taking away the opportunity to buy these things and jump the queue (there's the important bit) because you're financially well off is just wrong.

If that makes me a 'plastic lefty' rather than a Peter Weir then so be it, I can live with that.
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What if somebody worked hard and became a millionaire, are they unworthy?
This "label" is, frankly, pointless.
 
That's not the case with Sarwar, though, is it?

How to deal with inherited wealth and its inherent privileges is the biggest issue we need to face if we're ever going to fully achieve the four things I cited earlier.
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54 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:

That's not the case with Sarwar, though, is it?

How to deal with inherited wealth and its inherent privileges is the biggest issue we need to face if we're ever going to fully achieve the four things I cited earlier.

Let me get this straight, your parents work hard, earn their money, manage to buy their house, leave this to their children and it's a problem?

Is this a wind up as I'm seeing this as more and more ludicrous with every post. 

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14 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Let me get this straight, your parents work hard, earn their money, manage to buy their house, leave this to their children and it's a problem?

Is this a wind up as I'm seeing this as more and more ludicrous with every post. 

The principle of Inheritance Tax dates back to Victorian times - just how far back do you want to take us? 

I'm going to vote for parties with progressive tax policies on Thursday in the belief that although this will not benefit me in the short term if they benefit the majority of people then it will benefit me more in the long run, I see nothing ludicrous about this - it's just a matter of how you define selfishness.

I will make no apologies for saying the cake should be sliced more evenly,

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1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said:

The principle of Inheritance Tax dates back to Victorian times - just how far back do you want to take us? 

I'm going to vote for parties with progressive tax policies on Thursday in the belief that although this will not benefit me in the short term if they benefit the majority of people then it will benefit me more in the long run, I see nothing ludicrous about this - it's just a matter of how you define selfishness.

I will make no apologies for saying the cake should be sliced more evenly,

Who mentioned Tax?  :blink:

Taking things off tangent again to back up your "up the workers" attitude.

So, YOU'RE saying that if your parents leave you some property/cash it's a bad thing? :blink:

This thread is brilliant. :lol:

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Let me get this straight, your parents work hard, earn their money, manage to buy their house, leave this to their children and it's a problem?
Is this a wind up as I'm seeing this as more and more ludicrous with every post. 

Read it again, faraway, that's not what I said - don't go down the oxter rabbit hole.

I'm with Douglas Adams on this one - I know the answer, it's how we get there I struggle with.
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12 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Who mentioned Tax?  :blink:

Taking things off tangent again to back up your "up the workers" attitude.

So, YOU'RE saying that if your parents leave you some property/cash it's a bad thing? :blink:

This thread is brilliant. :lol:

We were talking about how wealth is passed on between generations and as I mentioned the principle that it should be taxed is well established. :blink:

No going off at a tangent from me, :blink:

Nope, only a fool would make that interpretation of what I posted - scratches chin. :blink:

This thread and the selfish attitudes expressed, often by you, is depressing. <_<

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Do you have any answer to my assertion that progressive taxation benefits the "many" in the long run other than your customary deference to your betters?

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1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said:

We were talking about how wealth is passed on between generations and as I mentioned the principle that it should be taxed is well established. :blink:

No going off at a tangent from me, :blink:

Nope, only a fool would make that interpretation of what I posted - scratches chin. :blink:

This thread and the selfish attitudes expressed, often by you, is depressing. <_<

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Do you have any answer to my assertion that progressive taxation benefits the "many" in the long run other than your customary deference to your betters?

Deflection, quite a skill. 

No mention of tax, only the simple question, although not simple enough for you, that is it wrong for anyone who works hard and leaves their family some of the benefits? (I've highlighted it to help you)

Where should this property and wealth go to, if not the family? 

Also, the slant that anyone who isn't portraying themselves as some sort of saviour are selfish is nonsense.

These "betters" seem to be upsetting you by working hard, earning money and having stuff that goes with working hard.

You're coming across as envious, which is sad. 

 

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49 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

1. Deflection, quite a skill. 

2. No mention of tax, only the simple question, although not simple enough for you, that is it wrong for anyone who works hard and leaves their family some of the benefits? (I've highlighted it to help you)

3. Where should this property and wealth go to, if not the family? 

4. Also, the slant that anyone who isn't portraying themselves as some sort of saviour are selfish is nonsense.

5. These "betters" seem to be upsetting you by working hard, earning money and having stuff that goes with working hard.

6. You're coming across as envious, which is sad. 

 

1. Let's not pretend we're any different in this regard.

2. We were talking about passing on wealth between generations and the principle of Inheritance Tax dating back to Victorian times is a fact, as for the bit in bold that's a deliberate misinterpretation of what I actually said  - and two can play that game.

3. Pointless question - it's covered in Point 2.

4. Unless you're advocating living in a gated community helping the "many" is the same as helping yourself - as I've already said.

5. I've no problem with people working hard and making a bit of money but as I've said countless times now nobody does it on their own these days.

6. You're coming across as a selfish "I'm all right Jack" character which is even sadder.

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We seem to have reached the "going round in circles" stage of the discussion so unless you come up with something new I'm out.

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3 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

1. Let's not pretend we're any different in this regard.

2. We were talking about passing on wealth between generations and the principle of Inheritance Tax dating back to Victorian times is a fact, as for the bit in bold that's a deliberate misinterpretation of what I actually said  - and two can play that game.

3. Pointless question.

4. Unless you're advocating living in a gated community helping the "many" is the same as helping yourself - as I've already said.

5. I've no problem with people working hard and making a bit of money but as I've said countless times now nobody does it on their own these days.

6. You're coming across as a selfish "I'm all right Jack" character which is even sadder.

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We seem to have reached the "going round in circles" stage of the discussion so unless you come up with something new I'm out.

1. Oh we're VERY different.

2. No we aren't and it's not a misrepresentation, it's a straight question which you're squirming to avoid.

3. More avoidance, getting uncomfortable for you?

4. I'm advocating that people who work hard for themselves and their family deserve to decide what they do with the trappings of success and not have it distributed to all and sundry. 

5. Nobody does it on their own? What utter tripe.

6. You're coming across as some sort of rebel without a clue.

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Aye, different values, that's clear, mines are realistic, yours are pie in the sky.

Enjoy your day. :byebye

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4 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

We were talking about how wealth is passed on between generations and as I mentioned the principle that it should be taxed is well established. :blink:

No going off at a tangent from me, :blink:

Nope, only a fool would make that interpretation of what I posted - scratches chin. :blink:

This thread and the selfish attitudes expressed, often by you, is depressing. <_<

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Do you have any answer to my assertion that progressive taxation benefits the "many" in the long run other than your customary deference to your betters?

My wife and both started out our working lives with nothing. Over our lifetime we have worked extremely hard and have paid all taxes without exception. We have managed to accumulate significant wealth over the last 20years that starting out we would never have imagined possible when we first met.

We plan to pass on this wealth to our kids and grandkids while adhering to the law of the land. We will also pass on a legacy to charities that we believe in (including SMiSA 😂). 

I hope that my kids inherit our hard working principles and live within their means, but invest in their future selfs. We are fortunate that we live in a country that allows for such opportunities to accumulate wealth and look after our family and future generations.

We also donate generously to various local charities and devote spare time helping our communities through volunteering as we still hold dear our socialist beliefs. 

I would love to go into the local schools and help other kids learn the guiding principles of becoming wealthy. 

Once the pandemic is over I plan to write to my kids school headmaster and put forward some ideas using the Martin Lewis curriculum I posted earlier. 

If my wife and I can do it from where we came from, leaving school at 16 during Thatchers Britain in the 80s then the kids of today with the available resources that exist today can do it even better. 

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28 minutes ago, Slash said:

My wife and both started out our working lives with nothing. Over our lifetime we have worked extremely hard and have paid all taxes without exception. We have managed to accumulate significant wealth over the last 20years that starting out we would never have imagined possible when we first met.

We plan to pass on this wealth to our kids and grandkids while adhering to the law of the land. We will also pass on a legacy to charities that we believe in (including SMiSA 😂). 

I hope that my kids inherit our hard working principles and live within their means, but invest in their future selfs. We are fortunate that we live in a country that allows for such opportunities to accumulate wealth and look after our family and future generations.

We also donate generously to various local charities and devote spare time helping our communities through volunteering as we still hold dear our socialist beliefs. 

I would love to go into the local schools and help other kids learn the guiding principles of becoming wealthy. 

Once the pandemic is over I plan to write to my kids school headmaster and put forward some ideas using the Martin Lewis curriculum I posted earlier. 

If my wife and I can do it from where we came from, leaving school at 16 during Thatchers Britain in the 80s then the kids of today with the available resources that exist today can do it even better. 

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all going well up to the last line, if you believe that shit then you will truly believe anything.  If you are down and out in this country at this time then you are more screwed than anyone has been since the depression.

Any number of people can tell you their life stories and the secrets of their "success".  At some point, I am almost certain, somebody did you a kindness that benefitted you greatly, on other occasions, you were in the right place at the right time.  Same as me, same as many other people.  Opportunity does not knock on every door.  At some point we need to gather up the stragglers and give them what they need, even if they don't work as hard as some. Failure to do that means we consign future generations of people at the bottom end to scrabbling round for their share of diminishing opportunities.

What i know from my own experience is that nobody does it all on their own, no matter how hard they work and what we have that we might consider "wealth" is transitory and only really represents the extra we have above and beyond what we need.  When you talk about opportunity then maybe you should think of the people who really have no opportunities and no endless amount of hard work, on its own, will deliver "wealth".  It's also a fallacy to say that everyone can be "wealthy".  The more you have the less there is for someone else.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, beyond our ken said:

all going well up to the last line, if you believe that shit then you will truly believe anything.  If you are down and out in this country at this time then you are more screwed than anyone has been since the depression.

Any number of people can tell you their life stories and the secrets of their "success".  At some point, I am almost certain, somebody did you a kindness that benefitted you greatly, on other occasions, you were in the right place at the right time.  Same as me, same as many other people.  Opportunity does not knock on every door.  At some point we need to gather up the stragglers and give them what they need, even if they don't work as hard as some. Failure to do that means we consign future generations of people at the bottom end to scrabbling round for their share of diminishing opportunities.

What i know from my own experience is that nobody does it all on their own, no matter how hard they work and what we have that we might consider "wealth" is transitory and only really represents the extra we have above and beyond what we need.  When you talk about opportunity then maybe you should think of the people who really have no opportunities and no endless amount of hard work, on its own, will deliver "wealth".  It's also a fallacy to say that everyone can be "wealthy".  The more you have the less there is for someone else.  

 

 

All airy fairy till the last line which then descended into utter tripe.

 

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