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6 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

Outwith the "little England" mentality over brexit, a lot of the problems at the last election were driven WITHIN the labour party. The "Blairites" never accepted the leader and his direction. They openly criticised their leader. It was, and still is, a fractured party. Better to look at the election before and the massive gains Corbyn made to see how a level playing field showed that a "real" Labour party could benefit from real labour policies.

ETA. Not that I helped their cause because I will always vote SNP UNTIL we get independence. It's only after this I will choose which Scottish party will deserve my support.

When I look at Corbyn gains I see the worst Tory campaign in living memory and the worst Tory campaigning prime minister ever in May. 

On SNP watching the debate between Neil and Wilson I posted previous should IMO be cause for concern. 

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1 hour ago, stlucifer said:

Outwith the "little England" mentality over brexit, a lot of the problems at the last election were driven WITHIN the labour party. The "Blairites" never accepted the leader and his direction. They openly criticised their leader. It was, and still is, a fractured party. Better to look at the election before and the massive gains Corbyn made to see how a level playing field showed that a "real" Labour party could benefit from real labour policies.

ETA. Not that I helped their cause because I will always vote SNP UNTIL we get independence. It's only after this I will choose which Scottish party will deserve my support.

Labour lost because the public weren't interested enough in their policies and they didn't trust Corbyn to run the country.

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38 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Labour lost because the public weren't interested enough in their policies and they didn't trust Corbyn to run the country.

I think a more significant reason for Labour doing poorly at polls is that the Press and other media are firmly funded to stop them getting the message out - or simply distorting the message.

 

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2 hours ago, lenziebud said:

When I look at Corbyn gains I see the worst Tory campaign in living memory and the worst Tory campaigning prime minister ever in May. 

On SNP watching the debate between Neil and Wilson I posted previous should IMO be cause for concern. 

So... Corbyn won because of the tories and Corbyn lost because of Corbyn? That makes sense.

As for the SNP. After Independence is achieved they will be either insignificant or non existent so how anyone performs against a media bully is neither here nor there. I believe in the ideal, not individuals in the party.

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3 hours ago, stlucifer said:

So... Corbyn won because of the tories and Corbyn lost because of Corbyn? That makes sense.

As for the SNP. After Independence is achieved they will be either insignificant or non existent so how anyone performs against a media bully is neither here nor there. I believe in the ideal, not individuals in the party.

A media bully, hmm. I'd say ruthlessly exposing incompetence.

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3 hours ago, antrin said:

I think a more significant reason for Labour doing poorly at polls is that the Press and other media are firmly funded to stop them getting the message out - or simply distorting the message.

 

100% and will be the same here come election day.  fortunately most of us up here are a bit more savvy 

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It seems wee Nicky is starting to lose the crowd.

Scottish independence and SNP support dips slightly in new poll

A new poll has shown a slight dip in support for both Scottish independence and the SNP.

Research by Survation suggests 52% of Scots back the country leaving the rest of the UK – a drop of two percentage points from November.

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17 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

It seems wee Nicky is starting to lose the crowd.

Scottish independence and SNP support dips slightly in new poll

A new poll has shown a slight dip in support for both Scottish independence and the SNP.

Research by Survation suggests 52% of Scots back the country leaving the rest of the UK – a drop of two percentage points from November.

Should be interesting to see that number after she has to resign

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4 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

No its doesn't they are human beings like us who can be manipulated in the same way given similar circumstances.  

Totally agree it's so easy to manipulate the masses,

How could anyone possibly know they are being lied too, 

It's all over Youtube and social media that the Governments of the world are controlled by aliens (Lizards]  disguised as humans. You can't tell me Big Donald and Wee Boris are not related.  🐸 🐸 both have blonde wigs too 

And this one,  There's a worldwide cabal of Satan Worshipper's that are ruling the world,  

I even read both of these facts on Facebook so it must be true ? but I'm not sure which one to believe ? It could be both mind if those Lizards believe in old Nick  :withstupid 

 

 

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Totally agree it's so easy to manipulate the masses,
How could anyone possibly know they are being lied too, 
It's all over Youtube and social media that the Governments of the world are controlled by aliens (Lizards]  disguised as humans. You can't tell me Big Donald and Wee Boris are not related.    both have blonde wigs too 
And this one,  There's a worldwide cabal of Satan Worshipper's that are ruling the world,  
I even read both of these facts on Facebook so it must be true ? but I'm not sure which one to believe ? It could be both mind if those Lizards believe in old Nick  :withstupid 
 
 


Quite possibly. They may even have written the Big Book of Fairytales themselves.
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16 hours ago, faraway saint said:

It seems wee Nicky is starting to lose the crowd.

Scottish independence and SNP support dips slightly in new poll

A new poll has shown a slight dip in support for both Scottish independence and the SNP.

Research by Survation suggests 52% of Scots back the country leaving the rest of the UK – a drop of two percentage points from November.

The margin for error for most polls is ±3% so it's really a non-story...

 

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11 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Aye, yet another set of figures you don't like so you discount them. 😜

There's a pattern here. 🙄

Over the past few months the figure for those supporting independence has been in the 51-58% range so take a midpoint of 54.5% and a variance of  ±3%, the 52% figure for the poll you highlight is within this range, you don't understand the "maths" underpinning the interpretation of polls - it's a non-story. 😜

If there is a story here it's the desperation of the Yoon media and it's followers like yourself...🙄

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