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36 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:
1 hour ago, jaybee said:
So, highlighted above is your question to me..............below it; is my response.  Please explain; how does 'electioneering' excuse the wee poison dwarfs policy (printed in her manifesto) of using the balance of power that she was hoping for; to thwart the wishes of the democratic majority of the UK population to make her a BIG fish in a wee pond.

 

Putting a commitment into a manifesto to try to get a second referendum when the target audience - Scottish voters, not UK voters - voted 2 to 1 to remain in the first one is divisive? Really?

It's divisive when she intends to use Scottish MP's to block the UK populations democratic wish to leave Europe Which she intimated in the manifesto when there is no way he will allow another Indy ref, all she is interested in is being a big fish who is bullied by BJ and Engerlund.

 

Not sure what the billions demanded were, that's news to me, but I'm sure you'll enlighten me.

Why not read YOUR heroines manifesto, it's all in there?

 

I've already told you why the European light thing isn't relevant.

Oh yes it is, she spent money to make it look like the EU were going to miss Scotland and would welcome them back, and she got caught out, she is now a cheating wee poison dwarf.

 

So, why isn't the UK government spending taxoayers money on advertising itself bothering you?

 Irrelevant and deflection, BJ is the elected MP and can spend what he wishes on whatever so long as approved, indeed so can the wee poison dwarf, just don't make out it is something it isn't.

 

 

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On 2/5/2020 at 4:08 PM, jaybee said:

OK, how about Sturgeon has laid out the SNP's manifesto for the 2019 general election at an event in Glasgow, "The SNP, Scotland's Remain party, backs a new, UK-wide referendum on EU membership' which would be contrary to the democratic decision of the United Kingdom's people (of which Scotland if my memory serves me correctly is a member). So democratically the Scottish people want what they want, crying  it's democracy....rant, rant, rave, rave, but the SNP leader denies the rest of the UK that same democracy, because she wants to remain in Europe...............sod everyone else.  Also, if you consider why she was so determined that people should vote SNP in during the election just gone., it was because Ms Sturgeon insisted there is  "every chance" the SNP will hold the balance of power at Westminster after the general election, as she set out billions of pounds worth of demands as the price for her parties support.  The First Minister has already made clear she will insist on the right to hold a second vote on Scottish independence as part of her parties conditions."  And just to rub salt in her wound , what about the Europe loves us debacle paid for from SNP party funds .

Oh yes she is a darling, actually she a wee poison dwarf IMHO.  😎

 

Ms Pilchard has never respected a referendum result in her life . .🧐

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20 minutes ago, theknickerwetter said:

Ms Pilchard has never respected a referendum result in her life . .🧐

Erm, what about the 97 Devo one? 🧐

Oh, and it would help if you & jaybee could get your act together - which is it "poison dwarf" or "pilchard"?. 😎

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Angry Robertson, defeated leader of the Sexpest National Party at Westminster, announces plans to oust Ruth Davidson from her seat at Holyrood

Even though she isn’t planning on standing for election!

Stupid doesn’t even cover it!

He’s obviously still bitter about getting roasted by the Tories!

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1 hour ago, theknickerwetter said:

 

So you’d rather be ruled by an Etonian who has no understanding of what it’s like in the real world, who sold you Brexit as something wonderful while moving his assets back into the EU, who owns companies that down the line far enough are proven to keep their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying tax, than see your country make decisions for itself like the majority of the entire world does.

Right...

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So you’d rather be ruled by an Etonian who has no understanding of what it’s like in the real world, who sold you Brexit as something wonderful while moving his assets back into the EU, who owns companies that down the line far enough are proven to keep their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying tax, than see your country make decisions for itself like the majority of the entire world does.
Right...


I do see my country make decisions for itself like the rest of the world. It’s called the UK.



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10 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

So you’d rather be ruled by an Etonian who has no understanding of what it’s like in the real world, who sold you Brexit as something wonderful while moving his assets back into the EU, who owns companies that down the line far enough are proven to keep their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying tax, than see your country make decisions for itself like the majority of the entire world does.

Right...

In terms of representative democracy on the international stage, our country is still the UK not Scotland.

As for the bit in bold, that is your opinion which you are dressing up as fact. More than 10 million UK citizens don't agree with you on that score.

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7 hours ago, oaksoft said:

As for the bit in bold, that is your opinion which you are dressing up as fact. More than 10 million UK citizens don't agree with you on that score.

Come on oaky, you’re kidding yourself if you think Mogg has any grasp on reality. Born in a rich family, Eton scholarship, nannied through life, everything handed to him on a plate, and now has a nanny to do all his parenting for him. Gets away with stashing his money offshore.

The man hasn’t ever struggled in life. He’s never had to live on minimum wage. Never had to live on £300 a month. He’s an elitist born into the elite world. Claims he lives by Christian values yet shafts the poor at every opportunity. If Jesus was found to actually be the real “saviour”, I highly doubt he’d approve of Mogg’s morals and attitude towards those less fortunate than him.

It might be my opinion, but one thing can be for sure - he wouldn’t last a day on a council estate, wouldn’t last a day working as a cleaner in your local supermarket, and he wouldn’t last a month on £300.

1 hour ago, Hiram Abiff said:

When the followers of the sexpest nationalists

Lol...remind me which Westminster party “lost” all of those files on pedophilia?

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2 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Come on oaky, you’re kidding yourself if you think Mogg has any grasp on reality. Born in a rich family, Eton scholarship, nannied through life, everything handed to him on a plate, and now has a nanny to do all his parenting for him. Gets away with stashing his money offshore.

The man hasn’t ever struggled in life. He’s never had to live on minimum wage. Never had to live on £300 a month. He’s an elitist born into the elite world. Claims he lives by Christian values yet shafts the poor at every opportunity. If Jesus was found to actually be the real “saviour”, I highly doubt he’d approve of Mogg’s morals and attitude towards those less fortunate than him.

It might be my opinion, but one thing can be for sure - he wouldn’t last a day on a council estate, wouldn’t last a day working as a cleaner in your local supermarket, and he wouldn’t last a month on £300.

 

Honestly bud, I don't care about Johnson and I don't expect any politician to materially change my life for better or worse.

I do vote, but I'm pretty relaxed when I end up on the losing side. None of these people are worth getting wound up about.

As for whether he would last a month on £300 is irrelevant really because nobody can.

Nothing is stopping you or anyone else who thinks they can do a better job from standing for election. It's not for me though. I couldn't stand working amongst such crushing negativity.

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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

As for whether he would last a month on £300 is irrelevant really because nobody can.

Nothing is stopping you or anyone else who thinks they can do a better job from standing for election. It's not for me though. I couldn't stand working amongst such crushing negativity.

There’s some reality though - you know yourself that you can’t live on £300 a month. So why are a number of our politicians happy to see people struggle by? There was an SNP MP who recently made the comparison that someone on UC was getting £317.82 a month while the Lord’s daily pay was being raised to £323. We’ve had years of austerity and cuts because there’s “no money”, but we can pay one Lord £323 per day to go to f**king sleep.

Sorry if I’m being pedantic here, but don’t you need to have British citizenship to stand as an MP? That would rule me out. I would also add that few vote for the “person”, just the “party”. If people voted for the individual then Cornwall would not have elected the likes of the absolute prick that is Steve Double and George Useless/Useless Eustace. Just look at the Change UK group or whatever it was - all lost their seats in a December. I would prefer to see a more individual based approach, but it seems you need to be of a really high profile to stand as an independent and succeed. How many of them even manage to get their deposit back?

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10 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

There’s some reality though - you know yourself that you can’t live on £300 a month. So why are a number of our politicians happy to see people struggle by? There was an SNP MP who recently made the comparison that someone on UC was getting £317.82 a month while the Lord’s daily pay was being raised to £323. We’ve had years of austerity and cuts because there’s “no money”, but we can pay one Lord £323 per day to go to f**king sleep.

Sorry if I’m being pedantic here, but don’t you need to have British citizenship to stand as an MP? That would rule me out. I would also add that few vote for the “person”, just the “party”. If people voted for the individual then Cornwall would not have elected the likes of the absolute prick that is Steve Double and George Useless/Useless Eustace. Just look at the Change UK group or whatever it was - all lost their seats in a December. I would prefer to see a more individual based approach, but it seems you need to be of a really high profile to stand as an independent and succeed. How many of them even manage to get their deposit back?

I can't comment on the rationale behind those UC payments but IMO you need a lot more than that per month to keep your head above water.

You are probably right about the citizenship thing. I forgot you weren't British.Presumably you could sort that quite easily if you wanted to though.

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13 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

Come on oaky, you’re kidding yourself if you think Mogg has any grasp on reality. Born in a rich family, Eton scholarship, nannied through life, everything handed to him on a plate, and now has a nanny to do all his parenting for him. Gets away with stashing his money offshore.

The man hasn’t ever struggled in life. He’s never had to live on minimum wage. Never had to live on £300 a month. He’s an elitist born into the elite world. Claims he lives by Christian values yet shafts the poor at every opportunity. If Jesus was found to actually be the real “saviour”, I highly doubt he’d approve of Mogg’s morals and attitude towards those less fortunate than him.

It might be my opinion, but one thing can be for sure - he wouldn’t last a day on a council estate, wouldn’t last a day working as a cleaner in your local supermarket, and he wouldn’t last a month on £300.

Lol...remind me which Westminster party “lost” all of those files on pedophilia?

What makes you think a person who's been in these circumstances would be any better?

I'd suggest the majority of people in these circumstances would be worse than anyone currently making decisions for the government. 

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