nosferatu Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: Aren't all OF loanees "the next big thing"? Although one or two like Scott Cuthbert have been worthwhile only Charlie Adam has lived up to the billing - let's hope this turns out to be one of the better deals. I thought that Paul McGowan and graham Carey did no bad Donald hunter was decent as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 if Morgan had showed in training that he was better than McMullan then I'm sure he'd have been in the side who cares about how much experience he has? he can either play or he can't I don't think experience makes a blind bit of difference Mo Camara was a very experienced player when we signed him Maybe McMullan was great at training but he was shit at playing and still got a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 2 hours ago, scabbydug37 said: According to Douglas McNeil on Twitter, this deal not done yet, but may be finalised on Monday The player himself tweeted that he had "signed" but has since taken the tweet down. It might not be actually done, but clearly it's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Morgan really impressed me yesterday. He was playing with a bit more freedom and getting around the park a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, nosferatu said: I thought that Paul McGowan and graham Carey did no bad Donald hunter was decent as well I did say one or two, and Lawson, McMullen & Loy are examples of ones that didn't work out - OF loanees generally arrive with the "starlet" tag and at least one in-the-know poster predicting great things but as I say it's all a bit hit&miss. I agree with you regarding Morgan though, the days of a club like Saints spending 4/5 years developing a player in the first team are gone it's pretty much sink or swim these days - if Walsh is better so be it. Edited July 18, 2016 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 No problem with using the loan market to sign younger players from other clubs. It's no different to signing a guy on six month/one year contract, him doing well and then buggering off for nothing at the end of the season (Keith Watson being an example of that). However, if we're signing someone on loan they have to earn their place in the side on merit - they shouldn't get on the assumption they're better than what we have because they come from one of the Old Firm and we certainly shouldn't agree to any deal where they must start every game. At the moment we need another winger because we only have Morgan and Gallagher. We need competition for places and we need alternatives - when we went 2-1 down on Saturday you looked at the subs and there wasn't a great deal of options available in a bid to change things. If Walsh comes in and we're playing 4-4-2 then two out of him, Morgan and Gallagher will be starting so he's not really getting in the way of anyone's development. I can see the concern though - in hindsight I'd far rather we'd gone with Stewart at leftback at the start of last season rather than Conlan. I'm a big fan of Morgan and, from his comments, so is the manager. If he keeps playing the way he did on Saturday and if the team is getting chosen on merit then we won't have any worries. Don't think it's valid to say Cooper got in the way of his development last season as he was injured at that point and at the start of the campaign McMullan was doing reasonably well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garf Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 No problem with using the loan market to sign younger players from other clubs. It's no different to signing a guy on six month/one year contract, him doing well and then buggering off for nothing at the end of the season (Keith Watson being an example of that). However, if we're signing someone on loan they have to earn their place in the side on merit - they shouldn't get on the assumption they're better than what we have because they come from one of the Old Firm and we certainly shouldn't agree to any deal where they must start every game. At the moment we need another winger because we only have Morgan and Gallagher. We need competition for places and we need alternatives - when we went 2-1 down on Saturday you looked at the subs and there wasn't a great deal of options available in a bid to change things. If Walsh comes in and we're playing 4-4-2 then two out of him, Morgan and Gallagher will be starting so he's not really getting in the way of anyone's development. I can see the concern though - in hindsight I'd far rather we'd gone with Stewart at leftback at the start of last season rather than Conlan. I'm a big fan of Morgan and, from his comments, so is the manager. If he keeps playing the way he did on Saturday and if the team is getting chosen on merit then we won't have any worries. Don't think it's valid to say Cooper got in the way of his development last season as he was injured at that point and at the start of the campaign McMullan was doing reasonably well. You're not welcome here, with your well thought out, balanced arguments! Only ill informed drivel from now on please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Confirmed on St Mirren Twitter Welcome Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbar_bud Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Officially announced on twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=56390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherwellSaint Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 spoke well looking forward to see what he can bring to the squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Welcome aboard, Tom! Too many positives in the pre-season. It's rather unsettling to be extremely content with our shape in mid-July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Available to play tomorrow so apart from Quinn we look to have everybody available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Will Shankland be available I WONDER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffs Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 No tattoo sleeves or a beard. I like him already.Welcome Tom. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Black & White Army mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Welcome to the club Tom. Got a good feeling about this season. Great to see the press banging on about Dundee Unt, Hibs, Falkirk. We can get on quietly and surprise a few by doing so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 I know Tom personally. A great lad, his parents have kept his feet on the ground. (thus no tattoo sleeves or beard lol). He is a two footed player so can play on either wing. I think we have still to see the best of him. Very glad he is a Saint for now. I wish it was a full season loan though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flareybob Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 His photo on the official website makes him look like Jason Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Flareybob said: His photo on the official website makes him look like Jason Lee Any similarities to Billy Clabby are purely coincidental, however? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Welcome to the club Tom. Got a good feeling about this season. Great to see the press banging on about Dundee Unt, Hibs, Falkirk. We can get on quietly and surprise a few by doing so Couldn't say I noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 Couldn't say I noticed. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Black & White Army mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Marvelous Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 welcome aboard Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 17 July 2016 at 3:41 PM, Bud the Baker said: Aren't all OF loanees "the next big thing"? Although one or two like Scott Cuthbert have been worthwhile only Charlie Adam has lived up to the billing - let's hope this turns out to be one of the better deals. And if we are mentioning "nuturing for other teams", Charlie went onto much greater things than his parent team. What did happen to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, E=Mc2 said: And if we are mentioning "nuturing for other teams", Charlie went onto much greater things than his parent team. What did happen to them? In fairness, we were a much greater thing than his parent team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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