faraway saint Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Nope. We used to experience much higher attendances at Scottish games decades ago and we have lost them because the game has not moved with the times. You have proof that "we have lost them because the game has not moved with the times" or are you just making it up? Better you stay out of football based discussions, it only proves you don't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Nope. We used to experience much higher attendances at Scottish games decades ago and we have lost them because the game has not moved with the times. Probably because it costs £25 a game now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 53 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Probably because it costs £25 a game now. That doesn't explain why England managed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Just now, oaksoft said: That doesn't explain why England managed it. Thats where the '10 times as many people in England' comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 1 hour ago, irvine_buddie said: Ah I see...so people who consider themselves middle class are pompous arseholes who believe they are too good to mix with the scum at footie games? Yes. Some people are of less worth than others. Is this news to you or do you not believe it's true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Just now, oaksoft said: Yes. Some people are of less worth than others. Is this news to you or do you not believe it's true? Can't tell if your on the wind up here or not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Can't tell if your on the wind up here or not . No I am not on the windup. Do you seriously believe criminals have as much value to society as everyone else for example? Edited August 24, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said: Thats where the '10 times as many people in England' comes in. We have a tenth of their population but outside the OF we don't have corresponding crowds on average. Something is clearly wrong with how our game was traditionally being marketed and now we have a problem because everyone compares us to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irvine_buddie Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, oaksoft said: No I am not on the windup. Do you seriously believe criminals have as much value to society as everyone else for example? So your comparing the working class to criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 So,oaky, you don't know the basic football reality that Scotland has more people spectating - proportionate to the size of its population - for all of Europe? And who is this 'everyone' who is comparing us to England? Is it you and the voices in your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: That doesn't explain why England managed it. 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Yes. Some people are of less worth than others. Is this news to you or do you not believe it's true? 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: No I am not on the windup. Do you seriously believe criminals have as much value to society as everyone else for example? Clutching at straws, deflection and downright bollox. Adopting the Daft Lords tactic of replying to every post with another pointless question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 4 hours ago, irvine_buddie said: Ah I see...so people who consider themselves middle class are pompous arseholes who believe they are too good to mix with the scum at footie games? I am dizzyingly tall and have, in the past, travelled on the Bull Bus. I have always looked up to Gary. And, alas, Gary has always looked down on me. I was pleased my presence was acknowledged. Everyone else on the bus knew their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 hours ago, oaksoft said: No I am not on the windup. Do you seriously believe criminals have as much value to society as everyone else for example? You're having a mare The biggest criminals in the country are in the highest bracket of society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 39 minutes ago, windae cleaner said: You're having a mare The biggest criminals in the country are in the highest bracket of society Yup. doesn't stop him though. the words 'headless' and 'chicken' spring to mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 After a very quick google, in 2012 percentage pf population watching football were Scotland 3.68 England 2.69. Oaksoft talking shite? Source http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/04/02/revealed-the-most-dedicated-football-nations-the-faroes-iceland-cyprus-scotland-and-england-020403/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 1 hour ago, slapsalmon said: After a very quick google, in 2012 percentage pf population watching football were Scotland 3.68 England 2.69. Oaksoft talking shite? Source http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/04/02/revealed-the-most-dedicated-football-nations-the-faroes-iceland-cyprus-scotland-and-england-020403/ You had to Google to come to the conclusion he's talking shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, faraway saint said: You had to Google to come to the conclusion he's talking shite? Nah everybody already knew but none of us on here are smart enough for his highness so had to give him an outsiders Pont of view and some numbers for him to look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I saw figures last night that said in the top flight average figures had fallen from 15,000 in 2008 to around 9,500 last season. So he's not wrong about the drop off in numbers. He's wrong about the reason though. It's the demise of Rangers that has caused the fall. And with "Rangers" now in the top flight attendances are expected to rise back to 2008 levels thus year. Fans should be better behaved though and Ann Budge is 100% correct to ban a racists from their matches. I cringe with embarrassment when I see adults swearing at matches despite young kids being close by and I hate it when people walk into an otherwise empty stand and sit immediately in front of a small child ensuring they can't see the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 hours ago, slapsalmon said: Nah everybody already knew but none of us on here are smart enough for his highness so had to give him an outsiders Pont of view and some numbers for him to look at And I like how you've used a smatter of French to give your comment the superficial appearance of intellectual nous.... as if Eric Cantona had uttered your very words! he'll swallow that. (or should that be... "Seagull that"? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, slapsalmon said: After a very quick google, in 2012 percentage pf population watching football were Scotland 3.68 England 2.69. Oaksoft talking shite? Source http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/04/02/revealed-the-most-dedicated-football-nations-the-faroes-iceland-cyprus-scotland-and-england-020403/ With virtually 90% of them watching two teams. An excellent example of why relying on averages is intellectually bankrupt unless you know how to interpret the numbers. Edited August 25, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) On 24/08/2016 at 3:38 PM, antrin said: So,oaky, you don't know the basic football reality that Scotland has more people spectating - proportionate to the size of its population - for all of Europe? And who is this 'everyone' who is comparing us to England? Is it you and the voices in your head? Another numpty. Remove the 90% who watch just two teams and tell me what the numbers are. Edited August 25, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 On 24/08/2016 at 2:13 PM, irvine_buddie said: Ah I see...so people who consider themselves middle class are pompous arseholes who believe they are too good to mix with the scum at footie games? Yes I think that is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, oaksoft said: With virtually 90% of them watching two teams. An excellent example of why relying on averages is intellectually bankrupt unless you know how to interpret the numbers. 50% of the total. It's right there in the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Another numpty. Remove the 90% who watch just two teams and tell me what the numbers are. why should I fiddle the facts to substantiate YOUR fantasy? Those are the facts. Deal with them. btw the only club to lose out, in terms of spectators, due to the death of Rangers has been Celtic. I won't grieve for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 19 hours ago, windae cleaner said: You're having a mare The biggest criminals in the country are in the highest bracket of society Is that the people who let their dogs shit on the grass where kids play football? Is that the people who gets tanked up every weekend making the city centres no-go areas unless you want thumped? Is that the people who play their stereos at full blast and make their neighbours lives hell? Is that the people who clog up the NHS, taking it almost to breaking point by all accounts, on a daily basis because of their diet of alcohol, cigarettes, processed food and pretty much f**k all else? Is that the people who stab, shoot and batter countless thousands of innocents every day? Is that the people who hang around estates drugged up to the eyeballs on heroin? If so then it's certainly news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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