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Ireland's 13Bn apple windfall-but they don't want it!


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Remember when Alex Salmond tried to set up a similar deal that would have allowed Amazon the opportunity to set up a European HQ in Scotland where it would pay next to no tax in return for 500 jobs......

Back in 2011 Salmond hailed the fact that Amazon were choosing Scotland over the North East of England. He gloated like the fool he was. Yet today it's been revealed that since the Scottish Referendum levels of overseas investment in Scotland has fallen dramatically whilst the North East of England has seen a 25% increase performing just ahead of the rest of the UK which is also booming.

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He probably got the idea for his dildo from the mirror...no, that's cheap. But strangely satisfying...



Edited for auto correct in case any one fails to see the connection with Slarti's post immediately before this one. You'd think no-one could be that dense but you'd be wrong...
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37 minutes ago, tony soprano said:


Really? Then there's no disincentive to a fine or taking the tax from apple is there.
The wages certainly won't be 13bn

This isn't one year. This £11bn is going back to 1991 - 25 years.

It's not just wages anyway. It's a whole virtuous cycle of regenerating an entire tranche of one of the poorest areas of Ireland, employment of thousands of people, kids seeing both parents in work and being inspired by that, more money circulating amongst local shops and other businesses, possibly 10 to 20 thousand indirect jobs supporting the main Apple business, increased health of the employees, lowering of crime and health service costs. This breaks the cycle of despair and poverty which blighted that area.

The effects of mass employment are vast.

You might argue that the tax take would have achieved the same thing.

I totally disagree. The government could never have created that amount of jobs and you can't defeat poverty without jobs.

The decision the Irish had to make was very simple. Either have the jobs with no corporation tax or have nothing.

There was no option to take the tax.

The way you talk seems to indicate you feel this is unfair. I think we need to grow up a bit a realise that we are competing with China, India, the US and a host of other countries great and small for vital jobs. As long as both sides win then IMO there is no problem.

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15 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

This isn't one year. This £11bn is going back to 1991 - 25 years.

It's not just wages anyway. It's a whole virtuous cycle of regenerating an entire tranche of one of the poorest areas of Ireland, employment of thousands of people, kids seeing both parents in work and being inspired by that, more money circulating amongst local shops and other businesses, possibly 10 to 20 thousand indirect jobs supporting the main Apple business, increased health of the employees, lowering of crime and health service costs. This breaks the cycle of despair and poverty which blighted that area.

The effects of mass employment are vast.

You might argue that the tax take would have achieved the same thing.

I totally disagree. The government could never have created that amount of jobs and you can't defeat poverty without jobs.

The decision the Irish had to make was very simple. Either have the jobs with no corporation tax or have nothing.

There was no option to take the tax.

The way you talk seems to indicate you feel this is unfair. I think we need to grow up a bit a realise that we are competing with China, India, the US and a host of other countries great and small for vital jobs. As long as both sides win then IMO there is no problem.

FFS.

As I mentioned....    eedjit.  :(

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There are only 6000 'apple dependant ' jobs in ire compared to 1.5 million jobs that they have 'created and sustain' across Europe.
Us, China and India ain't in Europe.

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2 hours ago, tony soprano said:

There are only 6000 'apple dependant ' jobs in ire compared to 1.5 million jobs that they have 'created and sustain' across Europe.
Us, China and India ain't in Europe.

Show me a post - any post - where I said India was in Europe?

We are competing with every single country to get the likes of Apple to come here.

Ireland were not offering tax incentives simply to be the best option in Europe. They were competing globally.

I'm not sure what your point is Tony?

Are you seriously saying that Apple should be "made" to pay full corporation taxes?

You can't be that naive can you?

Unless of course in your version of socialist utopia we close the rich-poor gap by simply having everyone out of work.

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10 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

In fairness, it's a public forum.  If you wanted to keep the conversation between the two of you then you should have used a PM.

You will have undoubtedly noticed that I didn't say I wanted to keep the conversation just between the two of us.

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