beyond our ken Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 court ruling i see Buzzfeed editor has tweeted "Hurrah" to the propect of sweetheart tax deals when Britain is out of the EU neatly forgetting that the terms have yet to be set and we could be compelled to not undermine our trading partners in our single biggest export market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 It is not surprising that Ireland dont want the money. The jobs are far more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I had started to comment, here... But I just noticed the submission from the resident village eedjit and know there will be no serious discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 47 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It is not surprising that Ireland dont want the money. The jobs are far more important. Not Steve though. He's pan breid'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Remember when Alex Salmond tried to set up a similar deal that would have allowed Amazon the opportunity to set up a European HQ in Scotland where it would pay next to no tax in return for 500 jobs...... Back in 2011 Salmond hailed the fact that Amazon were choosing Scotland over the North East of England. He gloated like the fool he was. Yet today it's been revealed that since the Scottish Referendum levels of overseas investment in Scotland has fallen dramatically whilst the North East of England has seen a 25% increase performing just ahead of the rest of the UK which is also booming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Multi-tasking the shovelling, now, impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 He probably got the idea for his dildo from the mirror...no, that's cheap. But strangely satisfying... Edited for auto correct in case any one fails to see the connection with Slarti's post immediately before this one. You'd think no-one could be that dense but you'd be wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 He probably got the idea for his dido from the mirror...no, that's cheap. But strangely satisfying... Eh? I think ill need to raise my White Flag and admit I've no idea what you're on about Stan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 It is not surprising that Ireland dont want the money. The jobs are far more important. Or is it the huge fine from the EU they are thinking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 2 hours ago, tony soprano said: Or is it the huge fine from the EU they are thinking about? It certainly wont be more than the tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 14 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: Maybe €13bn would turn them into a nett contributor. They are now, and after years of taking the EU handouts are now bitching about having to pay in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 It certainly wont be more than the tax. Really? Then there's no disincentive to a fine or taking the tax from apple is there. The wages certainly won't be 13bn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, tony soprano said: Really? Then there's no disincentive to a fine or taking the tax from apple is there. The wages certainly won't be 13bn This isn't one year. This £11bn is going back to 1991 - 25 years. It's not just wages anyway. It's a whole virtuous cycle of regenerating an entire tranche of one of the poorest areas of Ireland, employment of thousands of people, kids seeing both parents in work and being inspired by that, more money circulating amongst local shops and other businesses, possibly 10 to 20 thousand indirect jobs supporting the main Apple business, increased health of the employees, lowering of crime and health service costs. This breaks the cycle of despair and poverty which blighted that area. The effects of mass employment are vast. You might argue that the tax take would have achieved the same thing. I totally disagree. The government could never have created that amount of jobs and you can't defeat poverty without jobs. The decision the Irish had to make was very simple. Either have the jobs with no corporation tax or have nothing. There was no option to take the tax. The way you talk seems to indicate you feel this is unfair. I think we need to grow up a bit a realise that we are competing with China, India, the US and a host of other countries great and small for vital jobs. As long as both sides win then IMO there is no problem. Edited August 31, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, oaksoft said: This isn't one year. This £11bn is going back to 1991 - 25 years. It's not just wages anyway. It's a whole virtuous cycle of regenerating an entire tranche of one of the poorest areas of Ireland, employment of thousands of people, kids seeing both parents in work and being inspired by that, more money circulating amongst local shops and other businesses, possibly 10 to 20 thousand indirect jobs supporting the main Apple business, increased health of the employees, lowering of crime and health service costs. This breaks the cycle of despair and poverty which blighted that area. The effects of mass employment are vast. You might argue that the tax take would have achieved the same thing. I totally disagree. The government could never have created that amount of jobs and you can't defeat poverty without jobs. The decision the Irish had to make was very simple. Either have the jobs with no corporation tax or have nothing. There was no option to take the tax. The way you talk seems to indicate you feel this is unfair. I think we need to grow up a bit a realise that we are competing with China, India, the US and a host of other countries great and small for vital jobs. As long as both sides win then IMO there is no problem. FFS. As I mentioned.... eedjit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 29 minutes ago, antrin said: FFS. As I mentioned.... eedjit. Great contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 There are only 6000 'apple dependant ' jobs in ire compared to 1.5 million jobs that they have 'created and sustain' across Europe. Us, China and India ain't in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Great contribution. More informationtastic than any of yours, so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, tony soprano said: There are only 6000 'apple dependant ' jobs in ire compared to 1.5 million jobs that they have 'created and sustain' across Europe. Us, China and India ain't in Europe. Show me a post - any post - where I said India was in Europe? We are competing with every single country to get the likes of Apple to come here. Ireland were not offering tax incentives simply to be the best option in Europe. They were competing globally. I'm not sure what your point is Tony? Are you seriously saying that Apple should be "made" to pay full corporation taxes? You can't be that naive can you? Unless of course in your version of socialist utopia we close the rich-poor gap by simply having everyone out of work. Edited August 31, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I had started to comment, here... But I just noticed the submission from the resident village eedjit and know there will be no serious discussion. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said: We should close the rich-poor gap by allowing the rich to shunt all their money offshore and only declare minimum wage income in the UK. What is the advantage of focussing on the rich poor gap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 6 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: You're the one who brought it up, you tell me. Fair enough. I think it is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 14 hours ago, Slartibartfast said: You're the one who brought it up, you tell me. In fairness I wasnt even talking to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said: In fairness, it's a public forum. If you wanted to keep the conversation between the two of you then you should have used a PM. You will have undoubtedly noticed that I didn't say I wanted to keep the conversation just between the two of us. Edited September 1, 2016 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 In fairness, it's a public forum. If you wanted to keep the conversation between the two of you then you should have used a PM. Ffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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