Ireland's 13Bn apple windfall-but they don't want it!

[oaksoft]

10 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

In fairness, I think that you would be better letting others make your decisions for you.

You have to be careful though. I cant just let any old person do that.

I might end up with a member of antrin's family like this absolute cretin...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-37249243

[TopCat]

It is not surprising that Ireland dont want the money. The jobs are far more important.

Oaksoft has nailed a point here, unusually for him.

People grumble about global firms like Staribucks and Google not paying tax.

Completely misunderstanding the realities of global economics. The reality is they get the tax breaks or they leave and take their jobs with them.

If jobs go, the income tax of every employee goes, the national insurance goes, the expenditure of every employee into the economy (plus VAT) goes too.

But... These big bad companies creating jobs are the root of all evil!!!

Thank goodness no one listens to these morons.

[oaksoft]

4 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 

 

Oaksoft has nailed a point here, unusually for him.

People grumble about global firms like Staribucks and Google not paying tax.

Completely misunderstanding the realities of global economics. The reality is they get the tax breaks or they leave and take their jobs with them.

If jobs go, the income tax of every employee goes, the national insurance goes, the expenditure of every employee into the economy (plus VAT) goes too.

But... These big bad companies creating jobs are the root of all evil!!!

Thank goodness no one listens to these morons.

 

 

Yes I did nail it you patronising c**t.

Which begs the question of why you felt the need to pretty much repeat verbatim what I posted myself.

Your post added nothing and was about as useful as virtually everything else you have posted.

Edited September 1, 2016 by oaksoft

[oaksoft]

5 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

 

Why do I have to be careful because you can't let just any old person do that?

 

Because if I had said "one has to be careful....", many on here would have called me pompous.

I mean...can you imagine?

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

Oaksoft has nailed a point here, unusually for him.

People grumble about global firms like Staribucks and Google not paying tax.

Completely misunderstanding the realities of global economics. The reality is they get the tax breaks or they leave and take their jobs with them.

If jobs go, the income tax of every employee goes, the national insurance goes, the expenditure of every employee into the economy (plus VAT) goes too.

But... These big bad companies creating jobs are the root of all evil!!!

Thank goodness no one listens to these morons.

So it's one law for certain firms another law for others, seriously ?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

So it's one law for certain firms another law for others, seriously ?

No, its just a race to the bottom.

[Gruffalo]

2 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

So it's one law for certain firms another law for others, seriously ?

Yes you've got to love the hypocrisy of this

SME's also employ people who pay NI and PAYE however they are forced to pay thousands of pounds of Corporation Tax.

Yet when the Amazons, Starbucks and Apple of the world come along they get special treatment because they "employ people".

If Ireland hand not offered Apple the special tax avoidance treatment where would the jobs have gone to.

[Guest TPAFKATS]

If Ireland hand not offered Apple the special tax avoidance treatment where would the jobs have gone to.

According to oakster Ireland was competing with USA, China and India to house Apple's EU HQ.

[oaksoft]

3 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

So it's one law for certain firms another law for others, seriously ?

Yes. Seriously why is this a surprise to anyone?

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, tony soprano said:

No, its just a race to the bottom.

 I am beginning to think that you dont research ANYTHING.

It is hardly a race to the bottom given these salaries......

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salary/Apple-Cork-Salaries-EI_IE1138.0,5_IL.6,10_IM3078.htm

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, Gruffalo said:

Yes you've got to love the hypocrisy of this

SME's also employ people who pay NI and PAYE however they are forced to pay thousands of pounds of Corporation Tax.

Yet when the Amazons, Starbucks and Apple of the world come along they get special treatment because they "employ people".

If Ireland hand not offered Apple the special tax avoidance treatment where would the jobs have gone to.

Not Ireland. The rest is irrelevant.

SMEs do not employ thousands or tens of thousands of people.

Are you, Tony and IOBS really questioning why money buys influence?

Edited September 2, 2016 by oaksoft

[Guest TPAFKATS]

 I am beginning to think that you dont research ANYTHING.

It is hardly a race to the bottom given these salaries......

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salary/Apple-Cork-Salaries-EI_IE1138.0,5_IL.6,10_IM3078.htm

I am beginning to think that you don't know the difference between £ and €

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Not Ireland. The rest is irrelevant.

SMEs do not employ thousands or tens of thousands of people.

Are you, Tony and IOBS really questioning why money buys influence?

Not Ireland but they might want to be based in EU for trading purposes. You might have picked this kind of info up in the last 18 months due to the Brexit referendum. You don't even need to research it [emoji6]
Yeah, SMEs- the clue is in the name. It's not really a valid point though unless you think that there should be an arbitrary number of employees that allows a company to stop paying tax?

Can't speak for the other two however I certainly wasn't questioning that money buys influence. I might disagreeing that it should though...

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, tony soprano said:

I am beginning to think that you don't know the difference between £ and €

Is that your line of argument now?

That if I convert those numbers to pounds we find they are actually poverty wages?

The conversion factor is 0.85 or thereabouts. Why not make the conversion and tell us what these " race to the bottom" salaries look like? Then we can judge exactly what you think are poverty wages.

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, tony soprano said:

Not Ireland but they might want to be based in EU for trading purposes. You might have picked this kind of info up in the last 18 months due to the Brexit referendum. You don't even need to research it
Yeah, SMEs- the clue is in the name. It's not really a valid point though unless you think that there should be an arbitrary number of employees that allows a company to stop paying tax?

Can't speak for the other two however I certainly wasn't questioning that money buys influence. I might disagreeing that it should though...

As far as Ireland are concerned, if they had lost those jobs, it wouldnt have mattered if they had gone to Belgium, France or Timbuktu.

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, tony soprano said:

Not Ireland but they might want to be based in EU for trading purposes. You might have picked this kind of info up in the last 18 months due to the Brexit referendum. You don't even need to research it
Yeah, SMEs- the clue is in the name. It's not really a valid point though unless you think that there should be an arbitrary number of employees that allows a company to stop paying tax?

Can't speak for the other two however I certainly wasn't questioning that money buys influence. I might disagreeing that it should though...

Here is the problem with your last sentence. It is idealistic.

BTW I agree with you. Money should not be able to buy influence but put yourself in the position of making that judgment call.

Apple call you for a decision and you have an area like Cork which can be transformed by the deal.

What on earth do you do?

Are you seriously going to allow those jobs to go elsewhere and condemn an entire swathe of your country to continued poverty because you have allowed your ego to take an idealistic stance?

[Guest TPAFKATS]

Post building twattery from you oakster

[oaksoft]

3 hours ago, tony soprano said:

Post building twattery from you oakster

Aye but at least I have an opinion Tony.

You should try it.

[antrin]

7 hours ago, Isma is god is back said:

Yer talking baws 

 

I agree, but it's not out of character for oxter to do so.

The choice he presents is minimal - for the poor Cork cooncillor is sign here and break the law... Or to hope for the best...

Not just to break the laws of the EU but also laws of morality.

From the start of this thread he has turned a blind eye to big companies making a mint from a population and contributing as little as possible to that community.

Apart from having access to a market, they benefit from an educated workforce, roads, rail, airports, Internet connectivity, water.... All provided by the host community, but they don't pay their fair share.

A decent company and a decent government should be ensuring the best outcome for society.  Not, in the case of the Irish government - turning a blind eye and not, in Apple's case bullying and exploiting a desperate community.

i knew from the outset, that oaksoft would be posting pish, into which I would not happily wander.

 

Three pages of pish later, I have my waders on...  

 

Just happened upon upon this germane link...  Fyi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37259278

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by antrin

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, antrin said:

I agree, but it's not out of character for oxter to do so.

The choice he presents is minimal - for the poor Cork cooncillor is sign here and break the law... Or to hope for the best...

Not just to break the laws of the EU but also laws of morality.

From the start of this thread he has turned a blind eye to big companies making a mint from a population and contributing as little as possible to that community.

Apart from having access to a market, they benefit from an educated workforce, roads, rail, airports, Internet connectivity, water.... All provided by the host community, but they don't pay their fair share.

A decent company and a decent government should be ensuring the best outcome for society.  Not, in the case of the Irish government - turning a blind eye and not, in Apple's case bullying and exploiting a desperate community.

i knew from the outset, that oaksoft would be posting pish, into which I would not happily wander.

 

Three pages of pish later, I have my waders on...  

 

Just happened upon upon this germane link...  Fyi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37259278

 

The Laws of Morality??? 

[antrin]

Yup.

 

No need to emphasise that you just don't get it by trying to divert attention from the big picture by pleading with me to explain words and concepts to you.

There is morality, there is economics. Call them rules, laws, standards, commandments, covenants... whatever you like.

They are all human constructs with their ways of doing stuff that should be for the better of humanity as a whole.

Capitalism and its companies, driven purely by a profit motive, are not playing a game that even considers bettering the human condition.  Other humans need to compose rules and laws to make sure that they do.

 

Page 1 of this thread, I already knew you were a lost cause and that abject mince would be your typical contribution - you just don't get it . 

 

[oaksoft]

49 minutes ago, antrin said:

Yup.

 

No need to emphasise that you just don't get it by trying to divert attention from the big picture by pleading with me to explain words and concepts to you.

There is morality, there is economics. Call them rules, laws, standards, commandments, covenants... whatever you like.

They are all human constructs with their ways of doing stuff that should be for the better of humanity as a whole.

Capitalism and its companies, driven purely by a profit motive, are not playing a game that even considers bettering the human condition.  Other humans need to compose rules and laws to make sure that they do.

 

Page 1 of this thread, I already knew you were a lost cause and that abject mince would be your typical contribution - you just don't get it . 

 

I get you alright. The translation of that post is "Waaaa the big bad men don't play nice. Waaaa".

That's a pretty childish way of viewing the world and you are going to get routinely kicked in the balls by life unless you mature pretty quickly.

If you don't like the rules these people play by, then simply get elected, lead your party to power and teach those big bad old men a lesson yourself.

Of course, in this socialist utopia of yours and Tony's, none of us will have any actual jobs but hey at least we'll have equality eh?

And as an added bonus we can all get fat on the milk and honey which will flow through society.

Idealistic nonsense antrin.

At least you are brave enough to post this laughable guff so you deserve credit for that. Tony on the other hand appears to have no opinion other than to "like" your posts.

[beyond our ken]

sorry i started this

 

Still, I suppose it keeps pompous, self-important and probably smelly twats off of the streets

Edited September 3, 2016 by beyond our ken
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[Guest TPAFKATS]

I get you alright. The translation of that post is "Waaaa the big bad men don't play nice. Waaaa".

That's a pretty childish way of viewing the world and you are going to get routinely kicked in the balls by life unless you mature pretty quickly.

If you don't like the rules these people play by, then simply get elected, lead your party to power and teach those big bad old men a lesson yourself.

Of course, in this socialist utopia of yours and Tony's, none of us will have any actual jobs but hey at least we'll have equality eh?

And as an added bonus we can all get fat on the milk and honey which will flow through society.

Idealistic nonsense antrin.

At least you are brave enough to post this laughable guff so you deserve credit for that. Tony on the other hand appears to have no opinion other than to "like" your posts.

Asking companies to pay the tax they should is now a Socialist utopia. Hahaha

Btw, you think my opinion is that there should be a Socialist utopia, then you claim I offer no opinion? Silly oakster

[antrin]

43 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

sorry i started this

 

Still, I suppose it keeps pompous, self-important and probably smelly twats off of the streets

Relax, byk...

 

You tried to do a good thing - initiate debate.  Just a shame oxter fell upon the thread so swiftly.

 

.  And I would bet that Oaksoft isn't VERY smelly.

He is just inconsistent.  He preaches morality when the poor, unemployed and weak try to exploit the system, yet can't do so when it is anonymous, faceless corporations.

 

At least you are consistently selfish, right-wing and ruthless.  And wrong.

I can almost respect that. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by antrin