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On 10/4/2016 at 10:19 AM, Sonny said:

But he assembled an imbalanced squad and stuck to a formation and tactic that was probably the worst I have ever seen. And he never changed it. Not once. Even though it was not working. 

Thus proving that if you repeat something often enough it soon becomes accepted as the truth. During Rae's 6 league games as manager this year we hardly ever started with the same back 4 or keeper for 2 games in a row, and the first change in formation (according to you there were none), happened in, er, the first match, when we changed from 4-4-2 to 3-4-3.

To illustrate a few of the changes: At goalkeeper, Langfield started the first two games and was dropped and replaced by Gallagher for the games against Hibs and Ayr - both of them gave away a few howlers and Langfield was back for 1 game against Queen of the South and replaced for Dumbarton by Gallagher again. (In McManus' 2 games he has started Gallagher against Dunfermline and Langfield against Falikirk). We clearly have major problems with the form of the two men who are our last line of defence. Rae inherited one player and signed the other. Before we get to our problems in defence, it can't help our defenders too much to not be sure from week to week whether we will have a quiet keeper who doesn't leave his line behind them, or an eccentric keeper who was our best midfield player in the game against Morton but is also capable of missing the ball completely and falling over when trying to perform that tricky task of kicking the ball out from hand.

All our available defenders ended up getting used, we have had Naismith and Irvine at right back, Irvine and Stewart at left back, and had Baird, Webster, MacKenzie and even 20 minutes of Gordon at centre half.

We started with 3 at the back against Ayr.

 

  

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20 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Thus proving that if you repeat something often enough it soon becomes accepted as the truth. During Rae's 6 league games as manager this year we hardly ever started with the same back 4 or keeper for 2 games in a row, and the first change in formation (according to you there were none), happened in, er, the first match, when we changed from 4-4-2 to 3-4-3.

To illustrate a few of the changes: At goalkeeper, Langfield started the first two games and was dropped and replaced by Gallagher for the games against Hibs and Ayr - both of them gave away a few howlers and Langfield was back for 1 game against Queen of the South and replaced for Dumbarton by Gallagher again. (In McManus' 2 games he has started Gallagher against Dunfermline and Langfield against Falikirk). We clearly have major problems with the form of the two men who are our last line of defence. Rae inherited one player and signed the other. Before we get to our problems in defence, it can't help our defenders too much to not be sure from week to week whether we will have a quiet keeper who doesn't leave his line behind them, or an eccentric keeper who was our best midfield player in the game against Morton but is also capable of missing the ball completely and falling over when trying to perform that tricky task of kicking the ball out from hand.

All our available defenders ended up getting used, we have had Naismith and Irvine at right back, Irvine and Stewart at left back, and had Baird, Webster, MacKenzie and even 20 minutes of Gordon at centre half.

We started with 3 at the back against Ayr.

 

  

Really?

Do you honestly think that Rae showed any real flexibility to his approach to tactics?

The only times he changed formation was when we were in the shit and chasing the game, which to be fair was just about every game, because he persisted in starting two up front, which led to our midfield being overrun, which was one of the reasons we were in the shit in the first place.

Also, Sonny didn't say that he didn't use different players.

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Really?

Do you honestly think that Rae showed any real flexibility to his approach to tactics?

The only times he changed formation was when we were in the shit and chasing the game, which to be fair was just about every game, because he persisted in starting two up front, which led to our midfield being overrun, which was one of the reasons we were in the shit in the first place.

Also, Sonny didn't say that he didn't use different players.



Thank you FTOF. The problem was the formation and tactics regardless of who was filling the jersies. 2 strikers. 2 wingers hugging the sidelines and 2 in midfield resulting in the midfield being overrun in every game. The keeper and back four constantly thumped high balls from their own half eliminating the midfield and wingers with the 2 strikers trying do something with their back constantly to goal. Result was the ball coming straight back and the process repeated.

McManus by moving mallan forward to behind 1 striker and playing 2 wide men who played a lot further in therefore contributed more and got crosses in from the byline. We also had 5 in midfield when we lost the ball. And by playing the ball on the deck we kept possession longer and had a chance to build moves. The results were not great but a big improvement on what had gone on before.


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On ‎02‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 6:40 PM, ScotstounSaint said:

That will be the same Rory Loy that scored a double up at Dingwall a few weeks ago. And the same Richie Brittain that went on to play over 200 games and get to the Scottish Cup Final with Ross County?

Yup, Wyness was finished. So was another of his signings, Allan Johnston. That was where Gus got things wrong in his last couple of seasons - going for old pros. But, no one gets all the signings right! Especially not at the bargain basement end of things we deal in.

I enjoyed my football when Gus was in charge a LOT more than I have over the last few years. An old hand like Gus could get us back on an even keel. Jack Ross et al just seems like the same mistake we made with Murray and Rae.

If you look back to 2009/10 you'll see that in the 10 league games Allan Johnston played for us that season we got 16 points compared to the 18 points from 28 games when he was absent. AJ might very well have been at the tail end of his career but in the games he did play I thought he did a good job for us helping us to retain possession - arguably saved us from being relegated that season.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=9199&season_id=139

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/st-mirren/2009-2010/table

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Why do St Mirren fans have a self-destruct button? New manager thread. End-of-feelgood factor thread.

Nobody knows what is happening but let's pour cold water on all the good feelings built up since the season ended. Plenty of time for these threads as and when he does leave.

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49 minutes ago, Sonny said:

Why do St Mirren fans have a self-destruct button? New manager thread. End-of-feelgood factor thread.

Nobody knows what is happening but let's pour cold water on all the good feelings built up since the season ended. Plenty of time for these threads as and when he does leave.

There are only a couple of negative posters these days we know who they are. Talking of which why is TopCat in hiding. 

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

Now Dundee have broken cover and seeking permission to talk to Ross, anyone know where the 'Ghost' is on his Holi-Bobs?

#getgoody

No. no. just no.

While I appreciate what Goodie did for us, I would rather see JF in charge or possibly Hartley.

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8 minutes ago, Second Decay said:

Hartley is hated by the vast majority St Mirren fans, many fans would never go back if he was appointed manager, he deliberately got Paul McInytre red carded by cheating

 

 

We all hated a lot of players. I personally have a video on youtube showing Hartley almost in tears after Travner scored v Aberdeen. Oh how I laughed. But to think a vast number of Buddies would rip up STs or turn their back on whatever number of years before finding out what Hartley would bring to the table seems ludicrous.

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