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Greenock Morton v St Mirren Championship 1/11/16


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I agree there's little point in comparing Ross with the previous managers, but let's not get into a state where he's no longer to be criticised!

He inherited a poor squad, but that doesn't excuse the pig's ear he's making every week when picking the starting XI. Clarkson playing 90 mins when he literally could not look more finished. Shankland starting games instead of being told to get his fat arse down to the gym. Poor Naismith going through the worst form of his career yet still getting picked every week. And so on, and on, and on, and...

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3 minutes ago, ScotstounSaint said:

I agree there's little point in comparing Ross with the previous managers, but let's not get into a state where he's no longer to be criticised!

He inherited a poor squad, but that doesn't excuse the pig's ear he's making every week when picking the starting XI. Clarkson playing 90 mins when he literally could not look more finished. Shankland starting games instead of being told to get his fat arse down to the gym. Poor Naismith going through the worst form of his career yet still getting picked every week. And so on, and on, and on, and...

So who do you suggest he replace these players with?

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Just now, Kendo said:

So who do you suggest he replace these players with?

Jordan Stewart for Naismith. Hardie and Sutton (6 league goals) for Shankland and Clarkson (zero league goals), or play 1 up front (Sutton) with Mallan pushing on.

Or perhaps try to get Darren Whyte into the defence. Anything apart from continually playing the same out of form players week after week.

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30 minutes ago, Doakes said:

As a support, it's something we need to stop doing. Saying Jack is the wrong man is madness, he's not even been able to change anything yet ffs

I totally agree with you Doakes, you cannot possibly judge a manager on a couple of games. The only thing I am wondering was why he took the job at the point when I am gathering he knew their was little to nothing he could do and such leaves himself open to the questions, "Was it for the money" "When will we realize when we get Managers from Dumbarton  they prove to be duff", however I do not believe any of my own theories. Jack Ross believed their was a way of making St.Mirren good again, I hope he manages it, because one things for sure, he will not be given much time, he could start with a win this week against his old club Dumbarton. Whatever the outcome I,ll still be their.

 

NB The board including Gordon Scott as chairman and the SMISA members are in no way to blame.

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Morton are currently a better team than us. The scary bit for me was how effective their pressing game was. We panicked and couldn't find a pass all night. Regardless of formations we need some movement into space and a wee bit of calm. I think this is where Jim Fowler will be key. Certainly hope so as we look favourites for the drop now.

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I think many have seen this predicament coming for quite a while now, and whilst I blame the board for their rotten choice of managers, its gone beyond that now. Jack Ross has landed in a terrible situation with Raes dud signings and zero confidence. I don't blame this on him but he had better start improving results or his career will be a short one.

I await the rally call from above to the fans to back the team etc. Doubt if it will wash though, as even fans who have paid for a whole season have given up already. And to have the temerity to ask people to pay £20 a time to watch a team which never wins at home, very rarely scores a goal and NEVER give value for money (certainly not twenty quids worth) is the economics of the mad house.

Unless relegation to the third division sees the team immediately bounce back as champions, there will be a return to the early 70s and crowds of around a thousand.

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6 minutes ago, linwood buddie said:

Some of the Under 20's are surely ready to step up into the first team ,this is the Championship we are playing in they need to be at this level by 20 you would think.

 

Highly agree

Before some smart twat starts going on about experience and all that urine let us remember this

The Saint Mirren professional football club pte ltd co first team playing squad have failed to win a single league game...with now over a quarter of the league season gone it cannot be argued by any sensible person that this team are in any way good enough to play at this level. 

 

Many of our under 20's players are being kept of the first team by these inept "professionals".  It is time to cut loose these wasters and let us enjoy at the very least a competitive team who at least try to play football.  We have such a team at u20 level. 

 

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Doakes said:

As a support, it's something we need to stop doing. Saying Jack is the wrong man is madness, he's not even been able to change anything yet ffs

I think the thing is, that's obvious, the manager has pish to work with, Scott needs to man up here rather than spouting some crap about his visions

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26 minutes ago, shull said:

It's all about the pressing. 

80% about the pressing and 40% about the panicking . 

27 minutes ago, shull said:

It's all about the pressing. 

Morton are currently a better team than us. The scary bit for me was how effective their pressing game was. We panicked and couldn't find a pass all night. Regardless of formations we need some movement into space and a wee bit of calm. I think this is where Jim Fowler will be key. Certainly hope so as we look favourites for the drop now.

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53 minutes ago, TediousTom said:

 

Highly agree

Before some smart twat starts going on about experience and all that urine let us remember this

The Saint Mirren professional football club pte ltd co first team playing squad have failed to win a single league game...with now over a quarter of the league season gone it cannot be argued by any sensible person that this team are in any way good enough to play at this level.

 

Many of our under 20's players are being kept of the first team by these inept "professionals".  It is time to cut loose these wasters and let us enjoy at the very least a competitive team who at least try to play football.  We have such a team at u20 level.

 

 

 

 

yes,not won a game in the CHAMPIONSHIP,not the spl,this is how bad we are,if we was on a life support machine,the hospital staff would say"let the poor guy die,he a st.Mirren fan,enough is enough"

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2 hours ago, Sonny said:

Rae's four wins -

Edinburgh City - a non-league team last season and got their first win of the season last night in all competitions (even have a longer run of losses than we have).

Albion Rovers - lower league team that held us to extra time.

Livingstone - lower League team than had just been relegated.

Ayr Utd - 1-0 home win against a team that had just been promoted.

I do not think it would be fair to compare Ross's record against Rae's abysmal record considering 3 of his wins were against even diddier teams than us and Ross is left with the shitty squad that Rae recruited. One victory against a team in this League with Rae's squad would be an achievement. Two victories would blow Rae's record out the water.

One victory, at home, in the league would give some belief!

thats all we ask for as a starting point, not a litany of excuses that "a big boy did it, then ran away"

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2 hours ago, Edinbuddie said:

I understand that some seem to have a desperate need to play some sort of 'told you so' card, but Jack Ross has just been appointed and will be the manager of this club for the foreseeable future. I don't really care what he did last season, how he compares to Alex Rae's record etc, that is all pointless nonsense in our current predicament.

The challenge he has is to keep us in this division for another year. That's all that matters. He's got his work cut out because the playing squad that Rae built during the summer is unbalanced with too many players for some areas and no enough for others, has no heart, no leader, no pace, no energy, too many old players, too many injury prone players, etc.

It's not intended as a criticism or a judgement, but I just don't understand some folk's thought processes. When we're bottom of the league and the players have just capitulated in a derby, I'm not sure why it matters how the previous manager's record compares to the new guy who has had 3 games against 3 of the league's form teams!? What are we going to do - sack Jack Ross if his record doesn't match Rae's over a given period?  

 

 

 

Who has even hinted at asking for Jack Ross to be sacked? C'mon where did you read that?

it is a matter of record that in his ten month managerial career Ross has got one side relegated from this league, however what i don't understand is why we believe he will fare better this time round in the same position, in the same league?

maybe i have an old fashioned view but if you sack a manager after six games, then you must believe whoever you replace them with is better? Otherwise what is the point? I am merely pointing out, like Murray, Ross has no positive achievements as a manager, but somehow we believe that shuffling a couple of loan players in January will give him the team he wants to save us from relegation. 

I am pretty sure Ross will be here at the end of the season, what I don't see yet is what he brings to the party that will keep us up? And i didnt see that before he was appointed either!

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Last nights game was definitely one of the poorest performances I have ever witnessed while following st mirren, absolutely no fight or desire from anyone, especially in a point in the season we desperately need to pick up points! We seem to have absolutely no clue how to break teams down or form any kind of meaningful attack, instead we play 10-15 pointless passes in our own half before hoofing a long ball up the park which 9/10 we don't win and ends up with the other team immediately getting possession, or if it's langfield playing it up 10/10 end up going out of play. And when it comes to defending, I have no idea what the team are practically all week cause week in week out we are so tactically inept and make the same basic errors that can't be justified! It's a sad state of affairs when a team like 'Morton' are completely dominating us in every aspect throughout the game and very comfortably beating us! Now cause I'm staying in Edinburgh for uni the game last night was a 155 mile round trip, what a complete and utter waste of money that was, however sadly I will be there again on Saturday!

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4 hours ago, DougJamie said:

Speak to his punters..... US

FFS , we've had more communication from this Board , both face to face and on the website in the three months they've been in the hot seat than the previous regimes entire history !!   

Anyone remember the previous regimes attempts at regular updates ...... how did that pan out .?

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6 hours ago, Bearsden buddie said:

Last nights game was definitely one of the poorest performances I have ever witnessed while following st mirren, absolutely no fight or desire from anyone, especially in a point in the season we desperately need to pick up points! We seem to have absolutely no clue how to break teams down or form any kind of meaningful attack, instead we play 10-15 pointless passes in our own half before hoofing a long ball up the park which 9/10 we don't win and ends up with the other team immediately getting possession, or if it's langfield playing it up 10/10 end up going out of play. And when it comes to defending, I have no idea what the team are practically all week cause week in week out we are so tactically inept and make the same basic errors that can't be justified! It's a sad state of affairs when a team like 'Morton' are completely dominating us in every aspect throughout the game and very comfortably beating us! Now cause I'm staying in Edinburgh for uni the game last night was a 155 mile round trip, what a complete and utter waste of money that was, however sadly I will be there again on Saturday!

Bearsden

You and I travelled similar distances to get to the game, only slightly less when the games are at home.

I share your view that the performance was below acceptable standards, particularly in the first half.

We seem to specialise in giving away possession in areas that lead to quick breaks and loss of goals.

Like you - I will be there on saturday as well.

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Emotionally Inveloved - Check 

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59 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

FFS , we've had more communication from this Board , both face to face and on the website in the three months they've been in the hot seat than the previous regimes entire history !!   

Anyone remember the previous regimes attempts at regular updates ...... how did that pan out .?

Callum.

Saying something could be further improved doesnt mean that improvment hasn't already occorred, just that there is more than can be done.

Social Media offers scope for us to have a 24/7/365 direct line to the chairman and hiim to us via Twitter, Facebook, Forum, Radio, TV etc

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17 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Who has even hinted at asking for Jack Ross to be sacked? C'mon where did you read that?

it is a matter of record that in his ten month managerial career Ross has got one side relegated from this league, however what i don't understand is why we believe he will fare better this time round in the same position, in the same league?

maybe i have an old fashioned view but if you sack a manager after six games, then you must believe whoever you replace them with is better? Otherwise what is the point? I am merely pointing out, like Murray, Ross has no positive achievements as a manager, but somehow we believe that shuffling a couple of loan players in January will give him the team he wants to save us from relegation. 

I am pretty sure Ross will be here at the end of the season, what I don't see yet is what he brings to the party that will keep us up? And i didnt see that before he was appointed either!

No one has asked for JR to be sacked yet, but your last three paragraphs above suggest that it won't be too long until you're heading in that direction.

After Tuesday, I think there are far bigger and more pressing issues for the club than harping on about Jack Ross after 3 games. Alex Rae left a mess of a squad and it will probably take until next summer to sort out. Many top class managers say success in the game is down to having good players, Jack Ross hasn't been left many/any.

I'll be honest, I don't understand the thinking behind many of your posts on here, LPM. That's probably my fault, but I just don't get where you're coming from on a range of issues. You've got your view and I've probably got a very different one.

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

FFS , we've had more communication from this Board , both face to face and on the website in the three months they've been in the hot seat than the previous regimes entire history !!   

Anyone remember the previous regimes attempts at regular updates ...... how did that pan out .?

It panned out terrible

But then again we were a top Div side winning a trophy, slightly changed circumstances

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2 hours ago, Edinbuddie said:

No one has asked for JR to be sacked yet, but your last three paragraphs above suggest that it won't be too long until you're heading in that direction.

After Tuesday, I think there are far bigger and more pressing issues for the club than harping on about Jack Ross after 3 games. Alex Rae left a mess of a squad and it will probably take until next summer to sort out. Many top class managers say success in the game is down to having good players, Jack Ross hasn't been left many/any.

I'll be honest, I don't understand the thinking behind many of your posts on here, LPM. That's probably my fault, but I just don't get where you're coming from on a range of issues. You've got your view and I've probably got a very different one.

 

 

 

 

We certainly have got differing views, you keep suggesting I am asking for Jack Ross to be sacked after three games, but you provide nothing to back up that ridiculous assertion.

my points were the unrealistic (in my opinion) expectations that come January Jack Ross will have cured all our problems with a non existent transfer budget. Coupled with the fact he has only been a manager for ten months, in which time his previous club was relegated. If anyone can point to whatever it is they believe Jack Ross has shown to date, as a manager that indicates he knows how to, and can move us up the table then i will be a happy man, happy to eat my own words.

if he gets double figure points between now and January I will be impressed, heck I might even buy him a pint!

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