Drew Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) . Edited October 4, 2016 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Schultz Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Was optimistic when Ian Murray was appointed. Look how that turned out. Optimistic when Alex Rae was appointed - turned out similar. I'll be happy if he gets the team playing decent football. The only way is up. COYS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habbiesaint Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, munoz said: Are you having a laugh ? Big cup tie my arse . Anyway , welcome home Jack . So the only chance of silverware in the next few years against the championship favourites isn't a big cup tie? Edited October 4, 2016 by habbiesaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, habbiesaint said: So the only chance of silverware in the next few years against the championship favourites isn't a big cup tie? Correct. It isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, habbiesaint said: So the only chance of silverware in the next few years against the championship favourites isn't a big cup tie? How can you say for sure ? Anyway , it's a tournament that is now affectively pre season friendlys . For this reason (and many more ) , I won't be in attendance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 The Tournament will return to credibility once the Welsh & Ulster Yins are disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Was optimistic when Ian Murray was appointed. Look how that turned out. Optimistic when Alex Rae was appointed - turned out similar. I'll be happy if he gets the team playing decent football. The only way is up. COYS! 3rd time lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 The Tournament will return to credibility once the Welsh & Ulster Yins are disappeared. Agreed. Creating a proper short list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Urquhart Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Remember when Allen and I were doing the Love Street DVD. We were in the empty ground about 3 o'clock one day and there was one guy out on the pitch just crossing balls from wide, then going to get them and doing it all again. Asked Tommy the groundsman who it was, yes, it was Jack Ross out there on his own. If he can bring that attitude as manger he will do very well. Mon the Saints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 So what you mean is be negative even before a ball is kicked. This is a time to get right behind the new manager and team especially to bring back much needed confidence , get confidence we will do ok. As I said beforehand, I will be behind the new manager whoever it is, saying the same thing Ive said after every appointment since Gus left. As with every manager before him and after him he will live and die in the role simply by the results he delivers. If he keeps us up this season that will be relative success and he should be given the close season to build his own team. Just like Rae did and was. I would take 8th this season right now to be honest, and then see where we go from there in the summer.Back to Jack... Em, he was a pretty good player for St Mirren? signed by wee Baldy of course, (don't mention the cup final bonus row though). Since he retired he's been assistant at Dumbarton, youth coach at Hearts - where he was sacked in pretty mysterious circumstances ( http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/155235-jack-ross-leaves-hearts-title-updated/page-2# ) and manager at Alloa. ETA has it ever been clarified exactly what happened at Hearts? Anyway, he took over Alloa they were 10th in the Championship and he leaves them in 3rd in League 1. That tenure certainly couldn't be dressed up as a success by anyone, other than the unquantifiable ' oh but he had them playing better '. The facts tell you he failed to get them even close to 9th last season and this season Alloa have stayed behind Livi and been overtaken by Brechin. I've read a lot of posts on here and other social media saying ' breath of fresh air, an up and coming manager, just what we need, buzzing ' etc etc. Every single one of those things was said when Ian Murray was appointed, by the same people too. The reality is Ian Murray was actually far less of a gamble than this appointment is. At least Murray had experience of managing a full season in the Championship and keeping a team up in it, Ross doesn't. The appointment reeks of a desperate punt from our chairman after he failed to get his 3 preferred targets (Davies Hughes and Warnock). As anyone who pays any attention to my posts will know, I was no fan of Rae and advocated his sacking for 2 or 3 weeks before he was rinsed. If i knew then what I know now though, if I knew we were going to sack him to take a punt on a rookie, I would have given him more time.However, none of that really matters now, Jack Ross is our manager. There's simply no way of any of us knowing whether he will succeed or fail. We all need to give him a chance and it's then up to him take that chance. If he takes it he could be the first St Mirren manager since the 1980's to take an upward step after leaving us. If he doesn't he will be the latest name on our ever growing managerial scrap heap, and we will likely be in the 3rd tier for the first time in our 139 year history. No time for a honeymoon period either, we are bottom of the league and we need wins quickly. Over to you Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 8 hours ago, TopCat said: As I said beforehand, I will be behind the new manager whoever it is, saying the same thing Ive said after every appointment since Gus left. As with every manager before him and after him he will live and die in the role simply by the results he delivers. If he keeps us up this season that will be relative success and he should be given the close season to build his own team. Just like Rae did and was. I would take 8th this season right now to be honest, and then see where we go from there in the summer. Back to Jack... Em, he was a pretty good player for St Mirren? signed by wee Baldy of course, (don't mention the cup final bonus row though). Since he retired he's been assistant at Dumbarton, youth coach at Hearts - where he was sacked in pretty mysterious circumstances ( http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/155235-jack-ross-leaves-hearts-title-updated/page-2# ) and manager at Alloa. ETA has it ever been clarified exactly what happened at Hearts? Anyway, he took over Alloa they were 10th in the Championship and he leaves them in 3rd in League 1. That tenure certainly couldn't be dressed up as a success by anyone, other than the unquantifiable ' oh but he had them playing better '. The facts tell you he failed to get them even close to 9th last season and this season Alloa have stayed behind Livi and been overtaken by Brechin. I've read a lot of posts on here and other social media saying ' breath of fresh air, an up and coming manager, just what we need, buzzing ' etc etc. Every single one of those things was said when Ian Murray was appointed, by the same people too. The reality is Ian Murray was actually far less of a gamble than this appointment is. At least Murray had experience of managing a full season in the Championship and keeping a team up in it, Ross doesn't. The appointment reeks of a desperate punt from our chairman after he failed to get his 3 preferred targets (Davies Hughes and Warnock). As anyone who pays any attention to my posts will know, I was no fan of Rae and advocated his sacking for 2 or 3 weeks before he was rinsed. If i knew then what I know now though, if I knew we were going to sack him to take a punt on a rookie, I would have given him more time. However, none of that really matters now, Jack Ross is our manager. There's simply no way of any of us knowing whether he will succeed or fail. We all need to give him a chance and it's then up to him take that chance. If he takes it he could be the first St Mirren manager since the 1980's to take an upward step after leaving us. If he doesn't he will be the latest name on our ever growing managerial scrap heap, and we will likely be in the 3rd tier for the first time in our 139 year history. No time for a honeymoon period either, we are bottom of the league and we need wins quickly. Over to you Jack. This has got to be the most bitter post I have ever read from you Top Cat. Ok get Ross was not top of your list but to go on a Stuart Dickson style witch hunt with Ross is well below your normal standard. Give it a rest mate get behind the manager and team and lets see what unfolds over the next few months ( not weeks ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairters_Corner Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Not my first choice but happy we have went for a former player. Has my full support and hope he can turn us round. Goodwin coming back would be excellent but I believe John Potter will get the Assistant Manager position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: This has got to be the most bitter post I have ever read from you Top Cat. Ok get Ross was not top of your list but to go on a Stuart Dickson style witch hunt with Ross is well below your normal standard. Give it a rest mate get behind the manager and team and lets see what unfolds over the next few months ( not weeks ) Not bitter at all. Just being realistic. We have got what we can afford and we wish him all the best. COSMFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 8 hours ago, shull said: Not bitter at all. Just being realistic. We have got what we can afford and we wish him all the best. COSMFC Pushing to why he was sacked at Hearts is realistic along with the other negative points. Shull drugs dont work mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 This has got to be the most bitter post I have ever read from you Top Cat. Ok get Ross was not top of your list but to go on a Stuart Dickson style witch hunt with Ross is well below your normal standard. Give it a rest mate get behind the manager and team and lets see what unfolds over the next few months ( not weeks ) As I clearly say in the post I am behind him and I will give him a chance. Infact I will say now I think he should get the rest of the season no matter what. However, you and I both know that if we are still bottom come January there will be people on here calling for his head. Some of the same people who are happy with his appointment today. Just like happened with Murray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 I don't drink, smoke or do drugs. Nothing wrong with a Saints supporter doing due diligence on our Manager. St Mirren fans spend a lot of money on their Team and are entitled to query. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Pushing to why he was sacked at Hearts is realistic along with the other negative points. Shull drugs dont work mate. I couldn't have cared less why he was sacked at Hearts before today. As he is now St Mirren manager I would like to know why he left a previous role in football. You think that's unreasonable? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Didn't Albert Einstein once say that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Well I might not be as smart as him, but I reckon another definition of insanity would be St Mirren FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairters_Corner Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: Didn't Albert Einstein once say that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Well I might not be as smart as him, but I reckon another definition of insanity would be St Mirren FC. Our recruitment strategy doesn't seem to have changed under new owners, was hoping for experience but we have went down the Douglas Street route. Time will tell if it works, there will be no honeymoon period. Ross knows the club which will hopefully mean he makes a positive impact, quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 8 hours ago, TopCat said: As I clearly say in the post I am behind him and I will give him a chance. Infact I will say now I think he should get the rest of the season no matter what. However, you and I both know that if we are still bottom come January there will be people on here calling for his head. Some of the same people who are happy with his appointment today. Just like happened with Murray. Ross has got to keep the job if that means relegation and rebuild then so be it. 100% agree with Gordon Scott stability must be the highest priority now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Ross has got to keep the job if that means relegation and rebuild then so be it. 100% agree with Gordon Scott stability must be the highest priority now. You'll be in a minority of 1 if you think Ross should keep the job if he relegates us to league 1.For me the equation is simple. Keep us up = stay till next season. Don't keep us up = go. Would have said the same whoever got the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 2 hours ago, iainsc said: Will he be sacked after the next Dumbarton game. Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 29 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: Didn't Albert Einstein once say that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Well I might not be as smart as him, but I reckon another definition of insanity would be St Mirren FC. And what would appointing Martin Laughlin or the Buckie dude say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 And what would appointing Martin Laughlin or the Buckie dude say? It would have said the club was trying something different yet in line with their pledge to work more closely with community organisations. Don't get me wrong, Laughlin and Sinclair weren't my preferred choice either but at least I could have seen logic in that direction. I can't see what the board have been attracted to by Ross at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: It would have said the club was trying something different yet in line with their pledge to work more closely with community organisations. Don't get me wrong, Laughlin and Sinclair weren't my preferred choice either but at least I could have seen logic in that direction. I can't see what the board have been attracted to by Ross at all. Stewart. The Buckie managers surname is Stewart not Sinclair. How can you reach out to the community when you can't get a name right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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