northstbuddie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Former manager Alex Rae has wished St Mirren future success but commented that there was no scouting system/strategy in place during his short stay in Paisley. Can our new manager, Jack Ross, survive without one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 26 minutes ago, northstbuddie said: Former manager Alex Rae has wished St Mirren future success but commented that there was no scouting system/strategy in place during his short stay in Paisley. Can our new manager, Jack Ross, survive without one? Probably, but he shouldn't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Yes he can. Well he's going to have to till January anyway. Wonder if Ayr United, Morton and Dumbarton have 'scouting networks'? If they do, maybe that explains why they were all above us when Rae left. They probably don't though, and it's probably just Rae trying to make excuses for the sorry state he left us in. He got every single one of his main targets in the summer, and that was the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairters_Corner Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Joe Hughes did a fantastic job a few years ago. Wonder what he's doing at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave The Buddie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 A scouting network is crucial at any club. Hope we can put one in place to give JR the best possible chance long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 22 minutes ago, TopCat said: Yes he can. Well he's going to have to till January anyway. Wonder if Ayr United, Morton and Dumbarton have 'scouting networks'? If they do, maybe that explains why they were all above us when Rae left. They probably don't though, and it's probably just Rae trying to make excuses for the sorry state he left us in. He got every single one of his main targets in the summer, and that was the problem. Morton definitely do have at least one scout TC. I've never seen one from Ayr or Dumbarton though. I do seem to remember watching Rae in an interview - maybe a club Q&A - where he said he was recruiting a scout at St Mirren. And there was a comments from Gilmour that Rae could appoint a scout if he wanted but the cost would have to come out of his playing budget. Maybe I picked that up wrong, but I'm guessing Rae opted to spend the money on players instead - more fool him. It is absurd though that a club like St Mirren operate an Academy but don't scout for talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 You are right Stuart. Gilmour was quoted with other managers as well that any additional staff would infringe on the playing budget sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdsm Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I wonder if this is something we could fund with SMISA money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Stuart Dickson said: Morton definitely do have at least one scout TC. I've never seen one from Ayr or Dumbarton though. I do seem to remember watching Rae in an interview - maybe a club Q&A - where he said he was recruiting a scout at St Mirren. And there was a comments from Gilmour that Rae could appoint a scout if he wanted but the cost would have to come out of his playing budget. Maybe I picked that up wrong, but I'm guessing Rae opted to spend the money on players instead - more fool him. It is absurd though that a club like St Mirren operate an Academy but don't scout for talent. Pretty much correct (for a change). It was at the Q&A where he talked about wanting a scouting network. Hardly an excuse as someone else has claimed considering he'd only been in the job a month. A good scout is why Caley Thistle got so many good players no one had heard of from down south under Butcher. Same approach doesn't seem to have worked so well for Killie this season mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 hours ago, northstbuddie said: Former manager Alex Rae has wished St Mirren future success but commented that there was no scouting system/strategy in place during his short stay in Paisley. Can our new manager, Jack Ross, survive without one? The reason Rae failed has nothing to do with a scouting system not being in place . The reason he failed was , he's poor manager who got many things wrong . Clutching at straws . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebella15 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 We have no scouting system but GScott has a coiffed shop planned ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, rebella15 said: We have no scouting system but GScott has a coiffed shop planned ! Players will be delighted to get their hair jessified at the Stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 hours ago, amdsm said: I wonder if this is something we could fund with SMISA money? It would certainly be a worthwhile way to spend the money but perhaps the amount would be well short of the total required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, rebella15 said: We have no scouting system but GScott has a coiffed shop planned ! Is that somewhere you go after having your hair done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 So Rae knew that this was an issue but didn't address it - no wonder he was bulleted. I assume if he had put the wheels in motion he would have mentioned that so presumably he didn't ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley brazilians Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Yes a scouting system for a club like ours who can't afford the luxury of paying big money (or any sum of money) for players is an absolute must.but the key to good scouting is choosing knowledgeable competent people to do the job at all levels my first pick would be former saints youth striker Chris iwelumo with a vast knowledge of the game and with something like 16 clubs played for at different levels and I think he would have a good contacts list as well as the capabilities to carry the job out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Was Joe Hughes an ex player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Alan Hughes was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I would say the person most responsible for there being no current scouting arrangements in place for the first team would have been a certain Mr Rae. I can't believe that the academy does not operate via a network of contacts and utilises club employees to watch hopefuls for their ranks. They can't simply haul them off the street or watch the pie stall queue for potential talent. Did Alex say anything about being useless at management and spotting talent as being part of the reasons why he failed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Paisley brazilians said: Yes a scouting system for a club like ours who can't afford the luxury of paying big money (or any sum of money) for players is an absolute must.but the key to good scouting is choosing knowledgeable competent people to do the job at all levels my first pick would be former saints youth striker Chris iwelumo with a vast knowledge of the game and with something like 16 clubs played for at different levels and I think he would have a good contacts list as well as the capabilities to carry the job out. So where are these scouts who work for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I thought most scouting networks were made up of volunteers / Saints fans watching their son play at the racecourse and spotting a gem on the next pitch " , I would h it would be the managers responsibility to have a network in place to identify he best young players locally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 So where are these scouts who work for free? You mock but I know a few scouts who generally cover youth football who are working essentially for free - obviously expenses are paid and they'll get free admission to matches - and who do what the do for the love of the game. I was approached by Falkirk a few years back to scout for them. There was no salary but I'd get expenses, tickets and a payment if any youth player I referred made the first team. I politely declined but I know others jumped at the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, Stuart Dickson said: You mock but I know a few scouts who generally cover youth football who are working essentially for free - obviously expenses are paid and they'll get free admission to matches - and who do what the do for the love of the game. I was approached by Falkirk a few years back to scout for them. There was no salary but I'd get expenses, tickets and a payment if any youth player I referred made the first team. I politely declined but I know others jumped at the chance Sure you were . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 hours ago, amdsm said: I wonder if this is something we could fund with SMISA money? Be careful you. Any more sensible suggestions like that and SD and others will be after you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley brazilians Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Scouting networks works like any other infrastructure in a club someone needs to have a final say. Even when the volunteers are highlighting players the head of scouting needs to cast an eye over them.and that person is usually on the books. Plus my son played his first year at 11s last year in the p&d and all the players who were showing potential were snapped up Early in the season by the likes of Celtic.rangers.Hamilton.Morton. no st Mirren. the academy would benifit big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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