Kendo Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just now, pozbaird said: Clearly, the odds on a club being bottom at Christmas and avoiding relegation are slim - as the past 20 years show. Also clearly, none of those sides were the current St Mirren side, facing the sides currently in our division, so the 20 year statistics don't matter a fcuk. Also, according to some, the games we have already played do not matter a fcuk. Wow. I'm sold. A brand new season starts against Morton. Then another brand new one starts against Queens. This is brilliant. Come on ye' Saints. That's the spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northendsaint Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 On Saturday at half time we will know the results from 2 of the bottom clubs games which have early kick offs.This hopefully will be defeat for both and will us on to win against the ton.The following week our lovely neighbours will win and we defeat QOS.Thats how the dream goes in my house and the table looks a lot different.Believe peeps and give the team 100% vocal backing in every game.We MUST survive in this league.No ifs no buts and we can play our part.Come on you Saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, northendsaint said: On Saturday at half time we will know the results from 2 of the bottom clubs games which have early kick offs.This hopefully will be defeat for both and will us on to win against the ton.The following week our lovely neighbours will win and we defeat QOS.Thats how the dream goes in my house and the table looks a lot different.Believe peeps and give the team 100% vocal backing in every game.We MUST survive in this league.No ifs no buts and we can play our part.Come on you Saints. Thats basically it, club close the gap on Hogmanay and take it to the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 39 minutes ago, Kendo said: Anyhow weren't Ross County in a much worse position than us when we got relegated and it was later on in the season with fewer games to go? I'm referring to when we beat them up in Dingwall with Arquinn being sent off and Mallan scoring our winner? Ross County escaped the play offs. Aye, but see major reason below. 11 hours ago, TopCat said: They also had a billionaire chairman who invested a six figure sum of his own money in the playing squad in January. Unsurprisingly they improved from that point onwards. We didn't and don't have that luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Aye, but see major reason below. But we have SMiSA money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 1 hour ago, pozbaird said: Clearly, the odds on a club being bottom at Christmas and avoiding relegation are slim - as the past 20 years show. Also clearly, none of those sides were the current St Mirren side, facing the sides currently in our division, so the 20 year statistics don't matter a fcuk. Also, according to some, the games we have already played do not matter a fcuk. Wow. I'm sold. A brand new season starts against Morton. Then another brand new one starts against Queens. This is brilliant. Come on ye' Saints. Living with someone like you, LPM, Dickson and FS when things go tits up must be an absolute daily f**king drudge. Cheer up ya miserable old c**t. Misery martyrs are out in force tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Living with someone like you, LPM, Dickson and FS when things go tits up must be an absolute daily f**king drudge. Cheer up ya miserable old c**t. Misery martyrs are out in force tonight. Tonight? In the real world its morning. You still partying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglesham saint Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Right Saints how exciting is this a cup final on Saturday and when we win that we have another cup final next week against QOS Whats not to like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 34 minutes ago, Kendo said: But we have SMiSA money. Silly me. Oh wait, you'll be money down due to 2 recent withdrawels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotstounSaint Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Kendo said: Anyhow weren't Ross County in a much worse position than us when we got relegated and it was later on in the season with fewer games to go? I'm referring to when we beat them up in Dingwall with Arquinn being sent off and Mallan scoring our winner? Ross County escaped the play offs. No, they weren't. Seems to have become a myth this. At their lowest points, Ross County were 7 points behind us with 3 games in hand (we had 13 left to play and they had 16) and then later they were 6 points behind us with 1 game in hand (we had 13 games left and they had 14). They then turned it around picking up 25 points out of a possible 27 in the next 9 games after signing Marcus Fraser, Craig Curran and Raffaele De Vita (and getting rid of Arquin to us!!) We are 7 points behind with 18 games left. So similar I guess, but certainly Ross County weren't in a 'much worse' position. Let's put it this way, if we do what they did and pick up 25 out of the next 27 points, I'm pretty sure we'll be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: Living with someone like you, LPM, Dickson and FS when things go tits up must be an absolute daily f**king drudge. Cheer up ya miserable old c**t. Misery martyrs are out in force tonight. The statistics on being a miserable cnut at Christmas and cheering up by New Year over the past twenty years are.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Kendo said: Tonight? In the real world its morning. You still partying. Hard and long Kendo. Hard and long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 hours ago, pozbaird said: The statistics on being a miserable cnut at Christmas and cheering up by New Year over the past twenty years are.... Lower than the combined IQ of all those posters I mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted December 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 20 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Hard and long Kendo. Hard and long Bet it's neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Simpson Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 In the last 20 seasons, the team bottom of the Championship/Division 1 at Xmas has been relegated in 16 of those. In 2 of the 4 seasons where the bottom team at Xmas survived, those teams had been deducted points and so were in a bit of a false position. In another (2008/09), Airdrie were spared relegation due to Livingston's financial irregularities. So the 1 'standard' time the team bottom at Xmas has survived was 2012/13 when Dumbarton were 7 points behind but had 2 games in hand, they ended the season in 7th. So, in the last 20 years (and for 'normal' seasons) no one has managed to survive after being 7 or more points behind and with no games in hand at Xmas..........but none of those clubs were the mighty St Mirren [emoji4] I agree. Good post, however we have the benefit of being able to only finish 9th and then win the playoffs. Have the playoffs been around for the last 20 years to cover all those 9th place relegations?A lot of work to do but I think we will if we keep up recent progress...a win against Morton would go a long way to boosting morale...both on the pitch and on here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotstounSaint Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 I agree. Good post, however we have the benefit of being able to only finish 9th and then win the playoffs. Have the playoffs been around for the last 20 years to cover all those 9th place relegations?A lot of work to do but I think we will if we keep up recent progress...a win against Morton would go a long way to boosting morale...both on the pitch and on here... The play offs have been around since 2005/06 so that's 11 of the last 20 seasons.Yeah, so there were 2 seasons when the 9th placed team were relegated whereas today they would be given a 2nd chance in the play offs. Namely Morton in 00/01 and Alloa in 02/03. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 It's not helped so far So not much chance of it helping now the stats above have convinced me that there is no chance of staying up and frankly we don't deserve to we are finally going to find out true level . If we get relegated we find our true level? I'm not sure how that works, does that mean we have been in a false position all through our history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 It means we will be at a level where we can compete without getting beat every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmckinn Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 32 minutes ago, elvis said: It means we will be at a level where we can compete without getting beat every week Aye and we thought that when we got relegated to the Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notabuddie Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 The trouble is that if we do go down we cut our cloth so we do not have as big an advantage as you may think. In the championship we had the advantage of our support and parachute payments over 7 other teams but various managers have managed to make the advantage fail and we are teetering on the brink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 It means we will be at a level where we can compete without getting beat every week To stay up we need to stop being beaten every week. Does that mean if we stay up we will also have found our level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 Wherever we are, that is our true level, at that particular time in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 4 hours ago, elvis said: It means we will be at a level where we can compete without getting beat every week You seem awfully confident about our chances in League 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I never said we would have a chance of winning it .Just of winning more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 I never said we had a chance of winning it .Just of winning more games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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