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St Mirren v Dumbarton Championship 8/4/17

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Think the early goal worked against us today. After last week it looked as if the players and some fans reckoned it was going to be another demolition job when Magennis scored.

Dumbarton seem to be a bogey team for us. Draw probably fair in the end - funny that, after so many wins, it's a scrappy point that takes us off the bottom.

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Dumbarton play with two holding midfielders and three in front of those and one striker and rely on breaking. They are physical and streetwise. They got what they came for and that was a point. It was difficult today but no surprise as Dumbarton's recent results have been good. We really had two midfielders against their 5. Maybe we should have changed to a 4-5-1 but we needed the win so had to keep two strikers up top. Overall I thought we just about deserved the victory and if Loy had hit the penalty decently we would have got it. Read elsewhere that all 4 penalty misses this season have cost us valuable points. Hope Jack now has them practising in training. I hate these wee run up penalties. Take a long long run and hammer it down the middle.Disappointed but off the bottom for the first time since September which is something to celebrate.

 

PS: I would take Thompson of Dumbarton next season when we stay up. Niggly bastard but I thought he was impressive.

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Had Jack not started with Stelios in midfield then most of us would have been screaming abuse at him.

Hindsight is a great thing.

Stelios is a real danger running at players.

From midfield, he was getting the ball when stationary and couldn't attack as expected.

There was also too big a gap between him and Eckersley for most of the match.

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Carlsberg don't do 1-1 draws at home, but if they did, they'd do them on a day when two other results go your way and you get off the bottom of the league.

We move on. We gained today, we didn't lose out, even if it was disappointing after last week.

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I hope that penalty miss does not come back and haunt us. PA music should be banned during games. Absolutely no place for it especially going off just prior to the missed penalty. Had we got the second I think we would have gone on to win the game convincingly as Dumbarton would have been forced to change their tactics. 

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3 hours ago, northstbuddie said:

It's clear we cannot produce the level of performance that we did against Hibs and Ayr United every game but we will have to grind out results the way Dumbarton have done with so-called inferior players.

Dumbarton set up very defensively in every game , especially against the more attacking teams in this league.

cant fault them at all . Thought the sons were great today . We played OK in spells , but they were more than worthy of their point. 

For me , they were the most organised team we've come up against. Well played . 

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Dumbarton play with two holding midfielders and three in front of those and one striker and rely on breaking. They are physical and streetwise. They got what they came for and that was a point. It was difficult today but no surprise as Dumbarton's recent results have been good. We really had two midfielders against their 5. Maybe we should have changed to a 4-5-1 but we needed the win so had to keep two strikers up top. Overall I thought we just about deserved the victory and if Loy had hit the penalty decently we would have got it. Read elsewhere that all 4 penalty misses this season have cost us valuable points. Hope Jack now has them practising in training. I hate these wee run up penalties. Take a long long run and hammer it down the middle.Disappointed but off the bottom for the first time since September which is something to celebrate.
 
PS: I would take Thompson of Dumbarton next season when we stay up. Niggly bastard but I thought he was impressive.


Ps. He's already signed a pre contract with Morton

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Really poor disjointed performance from us today we missed Morgan big time and  Stelio's Is no Morgan but credit to Jack for trying. We were 2nd to every ball and outfought by a well organised Dumbarton team that scrapped for their lives. We miss Davis at the back McKenzie n Baird have no passing ability or composure and just hammer everything into the sky. My concern is that you get away with that against the teams in the bottom half but against the teams in the top half we will get punished.  Another poor penalty 1 scored from 5 the difference between staying up or going down. Midfield ???? Mallan was lost without Morgan, McGinn had an off day and the referee spoiled the game with his continuos stoppages for petty fouls. On the positive we are off the bottom , Jack is confident that the upcoming games against the top teams will suit us better, but after today I don't  have his confidence and i am concerned about our ability to service the strikers minus Morgan

 

 

 

 

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Thoughts on today's game:

- we we very very poor. We barely deserved a point -couldn't string two passes together

- we don't seem to have a settled penalty taker. Strange.

- The referee was absolutely shocking. An absolute embarrassment.

- Dumbarton came to ruin the game and get a point.

- We lack pace without Morgan

- McGinn looks shattered

- Mallan is not the player he thinks he is.

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1 hour ago, St.Ricky said:

Good form. Full credit to Dumbarton today. I made their Goalkeeper my man of the match with a penalty save and two other top drawer saves.

Pish..

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3 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

 


Oh ffs... Here we go again.
Neither were McLean or McGinn apparantly.

I guess you will be happy when we get to admire him in another clubs colours!

 

I mean , who the f**k does that Lambert think he is ?

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Really poor disjointed performance from us today we missed Morgan big time and  Stelio's Is no Morgan but credit to Jack for trying. We were 2nd to every ball and outfought by a well organised Dumbarton team that scrapped for their lives. We miss Davis at the back McKenzie n Baird have no passing ability or composure and just hammer everything into the sky. My concern is that you get away with that against the teams in the bottom half but against the teams in the top half we will get punished.  Another poor penalty 1 scored from 5 the difference between staying up or going down. Midfield ???? Mallan was lost without Morgan, McGinn had an off day and the referee spoiled the game with his continuos stoppages for petty fouls. On the positive we are off the bottom , Jack is confident that the upcoming games against the top teams will suit us better, but after today I don't  have his confidence and i am concerned about our ability to service the strikers minus Morgan
 
 

 

I'm concerned by our starting striker's ability to be in a position to get service, i.e. in the box.

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53 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

 


Oh ffs... Here we go again.
Neither were McLean or McGinn apparantly.

I guess you will be happy when we get to admire him in another clubs colours!

 

At the risk of incurring your wrath Brian :P

He is a young lad who has played out his skin at times but watching the game on TV today he tried a few too many clipped passes. when the simple ball to feet was on. He will learn that in time but it was a bit frustrating to watch, however as I said he is still young and his decision making will improve. It's just a shame we are where we are as it puts the youngsters in the side under a lot of pressure.

One thing I did notice today was when Mallan, Loy or a few others lost possession they didn't stand with their hand on their hips, they tracked back and won the ball back.................that was very pleasing to see and a huge step forward from what the departed players did earlier in the season!

 

 

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Oh ffs... Here we go again.
Neither were McLean or McGinn apparantly.

I guess you will be happy when we get to admire him in another clubs colours!


McLean carried a team in the SPL. McGinn bossed a national semi final against Celtic and won a cup final at 19 or whatever age he was.

Comparing those players to Mallan is laughable. He was not the only one who didn't turn up today, but let's remember what level we are at here.

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7 hours ago, TopCat said:

 

 


In this season yes.

This is our fourth game against Dumbarton this season. We haven't beat them once.

When you consider the clear difference in quality of players between the teams, this is quite remarkable.

 

 

It's just not good enough

In fact fecking shocking

Dress it up anyway you want not acceptable

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McLean carried a team in the SPL. McGinn bossed a national semi final against Celtic and won a cup final at 19 or whatever age he was.

Comparing those players to Mallan is laughable. He was not the only one who didn't turn up today, but let's remember what level we are at here.


McGinn senior has played at a higher level and was not much better today.

Your point is totally moot.

How do you know what Mallan would be doing in the Premiership!?

He is where he is.

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At the risk of incurring your wrath Brian
He is a young lad who has played out his skin at times but watching the game on TV today he tried a few too many clipped passes. when the simple ball to feet was on. He will learn that in time but it was a bit frustrating to watch, however as I said he is still young and his decision making will improve. It's just a shame we are where we are as it puts the youngsters in the side under a lot of pressure.
One thing I did notice today was when Mallan, Loy or a few others lost possession they didn't stand with their hand on their hips, they tracked back and won the ball back.................that was very pleasing to see and a huge step forward from what the departed players did earlier in the season!
 
 


No wrath whatsoever.

As you rightly say... He is young. He will learn and improve... He tracked back and made an effort.

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Stunned at the level of abuse aimed at young Jack Baird today. Made a couple of potentially costly errors but the bile that was slabbering out of some of our supporters' mouths was totally uncalled for.

All in all, another point on board and absolutely delighted to get off the bottom. Tuesday night will be our biggest test of the season mentally. I believe we have a stronger squad man for man than Morton now and if we play like we have been recently we'll be fine.

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3 minutes ago, RossCSmfc said:

Stunned at the level of abuse aimed at young Jack Baird today. Made a couple of potentially costly errors but the bile that was slabbering out of some of our supporters' mouths was totally uncalled for.

All in all, another point on board and absolutely delighted to get off the bottom. Tuesday night will be our biggest test of the season mentally. I believe we have a stronger squad man for man than Morton now and if we play like we have been recently we'll be fine.

Stunned ? , really ? I'm not one one for dishing out abuse at games , but I thought he was awful yesterday , Big Gary's game has gone to pot too since losing Davis as his partner. I'm wondering if Ross might have a look at Rocco Quinn in a bounce game at centre back to see if he could slot in , big Baird could cost us everything that we have put right in the last few months , he simply won't do !

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1 minute ago, billyg said:

Stunned ? , really ? I'm not one one for dishing out abuse at games , but I thought he was awful yesterday , Big Gary's game has gone to pot too since losing Davis as his partner. I'm wondering if Ross might have a look at Rocco Quinn in a bounce game at centre back to see if he could slot in , big Baird could cost us everything that we have put right in the last few months , he simply won't do !

Ben Gordon is fit and available.

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