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On 1/24/2020 at 11:10 AM, WeeBud said:

Baz, I voted for the drones so no argument from me re how the funds were spent although I absolutely understand the argument that the club should be funding such things for themselves. That said whether there is a "regulatory requirement" in the constitution or not that allows the SMISA Board to spend funds as it sees fit, it is good governance to include such a stipulation to protect members funds. I am not for one second suggesting that anyone is likely to do something underhand or any such thing but having been on a number of Committee's for both football and golf clubs it's the first time I've seen a constitution without such a clause and I don't think it's healthy.

Exactly what I was driving at, good governance 

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50 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Looks like minority rule wins the day again! Lol

Alternative would be an even smaller minority rule winning though wouldn't it? Yet again proven that a voting majority prefer club benefits... By my calculations, that makes 100% of relevant votes so far. Lol 

 

13 minutes ago, waldorf34 said:

Exactly what I was driving at, good governance 

It would not be good governance having a mechanism in place that allowed the least possible voting option to win by default. 

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Alternative would be an even smaller minority rule winning though wouldn't it? Yet again proven that a voting majority prefer club benefits... By my calculations, that makes 100% of relevant votes so far. Lol 


Remember he didn't get a single vote from the members to get on the SMISA board.

It's amazing the selectivity criticism of democracy when it suits him.

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23 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:


Remember he didn't get a single vote from the members to get on the SMISA board.

It's amazing the selectivity criticism of democracy when it suits him. emoji1787.png

 

Didn't realise he had even tried to get on the SMISA board. That would be like McDonald's voting Greta Thunberg onto their board 🤣

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As regards the 3 monthly spend pot, I'm presuming this money should be considered as being "surplus".

If that is the case, how the surplus should be applied should be decided at an AGM. Any change to that must be done by changing the Rules, for which a meeting with a quorum of "not less than one quarter of the members entitled to vote at the meeting if the Society has more than 1000 members" with 75% being required to carry the vote. I suspect SMISA have never had 250 members at any of its meetings.

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34 minutes ago, melmac said:

As regards the 3 monthly spend pot, I'm presuming this money should be considered as being "surplus".

If that is the case, how the surplus should be applied should be decided at an AGM. Any change to that must be done by changing the Rules, for which a meeting with a quorum of "not less than one quarter of the members entitled to vote at the meeting if the Society has more than 1000 members" with 75% being required to carry the vote. I suspect SMISA have never had 250 members at any of its meetings.

No it's not regarded as surplus, the £2 monthly is filtered in as part of the arrangement. "£2 goes into a pot for members to spend on club-related projects"

It isn't "surplus" funds. 

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The ordinary meaning of "surplus" is "something that remains above what is used or needed". So, if the £2 over-payments is not surplus and there is no provision in the Rules for, erm, "filtered funds" what are they?   

I think in most people's understanding, the over-payments would be termed as "surplus" and should be dealt with accordingly in terms of the Rules. However well intentioned the £2 pot was / is, its certainly not funds to be used as  / how the club wish.

No response needed.

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13 hours ago, melmac said:

The ordinary meaning of "surplus" is "something that remains above what is used or needed". So, if the £2 over-payments is not surplus and there is no provision in the Rules for, erm, "filtered funds" what are they?   

I think in most people's understanding, the over-payments would be termed as "surplus" and should be dealt with accordingly in terms of the Rules. However well intentioned the £2 pot was / is, its certainly not funds to be used as  / how the club wish.

No response needed.

The £2 is part of the arrangement, it's no more surplus than the £10/ £23 a month. £2 from each contribution will be used on decided projects voted on a quarterly basis,, that isn't a surplus. This is teetering on desperation to show a discrepancy from SMISA. 

I doubt that's "most people's understanding" If it is they're wrong and can clarify that by reading up on BTB. 

The £2 is to be spent based on democratic voting of projects, if the vote goes for items the club wants (which it has 100% of votes including club item requests) then that's exactly what the money should be  spent on. 

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On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2020 at 2:54 PM, waldorf34 said:

So a majority  of the members did not vote for it?(assuming 1200 members)

A majority of the members didn't vote against it is a statement with as much merit as this one (I voted against btw).

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5 hours ago, cockles1987 said:

Something that was brought up before as a suggestion by I'm sure Beyond Our Ken.

It must be a good consideration for the future benefit in cost savings.

BBC News - How Scotland's parks could heat homes with low-carbon energy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51588500

Are you talking about a micro district ground source system that would provide heat to local houses and businesses or just a system that provides heat for the stadium? 

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1 hour ago, Dickson said:

Are you talking about a micro district ground source system that would provide heat to local houses and businesses or just a system that provides heat for the stadium? 

Oh well, there was me hoping your latest returning username would be subject specific. So much for being done with BAWA. 

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18 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Oh well, there was me hoping your latest returning username would be subject specific. So much for being done with BAWA. 

You can't help yourself can you Bazil? 

This is an industry I work in and as well as having knowledge and experience I also have contacts. I happen to think it's a good suggestion if it was used to provide community heating although it would cost a fair bit more than one quarterly spend and someone would have to work out the problems of reading meters and billing. If it's just for St Mirren's use, though, I doubt it would be viable and there are considerably cheaper ways to generate energy savings. 

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49 minutes ago, Dickson said:

You can't help yourself can you Bazil? 

This is an industry I work in and as well as having knowledge and experience I also have contacts. I happen to think it's a good suggestion if it was used to provide community heating although it would cost a fair bit more than one quarterly spend and someone would have to work out the problems of reading meters and billing. If it's just for St Mirren's use, though, I doubt it would be viable and there are considerably cheaper ways to generate energy savings. 

Was it a shock to you when you said you'd leave BAWA that a subject would eventually come up that you had knowledge about? I was only making the point that it appears previous claims you were done, were incorrect. I think it's very clear which one of us can't help themselves in that sense.... 

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