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9 hours ago, oaksoft said:

 

Why dont you two hush up and watch how adults manage to negotiate an exchange of ideas.

In the meantime, one of you brainboxes can try my special puzzle designed for schoolchildren. 

Three friends go for a meal and it comes to £30. They each give the waiter £10.

The waiter gets to the till but realises he has overcharged them £5. The meal should have come to £25. The three friends have insulted the waiter all night so he puts £25 of the £30 in the till, cheekily pockets £2 for the hassle they have caused him all night and gives the friends £3 back telling them the meal was £27.

The friends take a pound each and go home happy, each having paid £9 for their meal.

So the friends have paid £27 in total and the waiter has £2 in his pocket.

That only accounts for £29. Where is the extra pound?

For an extra brucey bonus try solving this simple kiddies maths problem without searching the internet.

 

There is, of course, no extra pound. Your £27 paid by the students includes the £2 pocketed by the waiter; add to this the £3 returned to the students you then have your £30 pounds. Simples!

Perhaps you can explain to me the relevance of this to the original question.If someone else has answered this, please excuse me as I have just come acroos this latest question.

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1 hour ago, Soctty said:

We're still the form team in the league since the end of January - a period of almost 3 full months. Based on this extended sample, we will be big favourites to beat Raith, and a good bet to take at least a point at Hibs on the final day.

 

Raith were the first team we beat at home in the league this seaon, in early December, and we've also beaten Hibs twice already this season, once at Easter Road. What a shocking record...

 

What I will agree on is that it will indeed be nail biting stuff - looking forward to both games.

Hibs and Raith have both beaten us twice in the league this season. I never used the word shocking, rather I said it was unconvincing. I think its the play offs for us, unless Ayr win in midweek, then its really worrying.

These recent dropped points wouldn't normally be worthy of criticism, but its been patently obvious for a long time that we needed to win EVERY game in order to avoid the drop. There is no margin for error, such was our abysmal record until January.

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Hibs and Raith have both beaten us twice in the league this season. I never used the word shocking, rather I said it was unconvincing. I think its the play offs for us, unless Ayr win in midweek, then its really worrying.
These recent dropped points wouldn't normally be worthy of criticism, but its been patently obvious for a long time that we needed to win EVERY game in order to avoid the drop. There is no margin for error, such was our abysmal record until January.

If we needed to win EVERY have in order to avoid the drop, how come avoiding the drop is still in our own hands, despite not winning every game? ????

We were never thing to win every game, but our form since the end of January has been fantastic, and if we keep playing the way we have been we will stay up.

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There is, of course, no extra pound. Your £27 paid by the students includes the £2 pocketed by the waiter; add to this the £3 returned to the students you then have your £30 pounds. Simples!
Perhaps you can explain to me the relevance of this to the original question.If someone else has answered this, please excuse me as I have just come acroos this latest question.

He's trying to deflect from his bizarre ramblings on our chances of staying up in the play offs. It hasn't worked.

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2 hours ago, smcc said:

There is, of course, no extra pound. Your £27 paid by the students includes the £2 pocketed by the waiter; add to this the £3 returned to the students you then have your £30 pounds. Simples!

 

No. That is wrong. You need to forget the £30. It is a red herring.

The meal ended up costing £25. The £2 is effectively a tip and therefore you subtract it from £27 you don't add it.

The point is to illustrate how easy it is for adults to misunderstand apparently simple things like adding.

To be honest I think I have made my point brilliantly.

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6 hours ago, pondsman said:

As someone who has always struggled a bit with maths, may I concur with Shull, though not necessarily approving of his choice of words.

Also, yet again, in his post-match interview, Jack Ross showed his talent and class. A fine analysis of the talking points of the match. Calm and measured in his comments on the first goal and the ref's alleged comments to him at the end of the match, despite the anger and frustration he must have been feeling. His comments about the players designed to keep them motivated and focussed on the last two matches, at a time when they must all be feeling intense pressure.

This man is a class act, who is destined for much better things in the game than managing St. Mirren. I just hope he stays with us long enough to get us back and established in the Premiership.

And no, I'm not his Dad or his Grandad!! Just someone who recognises and appreciates ability when he sees it.

Although for someone who seemed upset at a ref saying you're a good team and playing well and you'll stay up Jack's message was exactly the same - if we play like that in the last two games we will stay up.

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11 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

No. That is wrong. You need to forget the £30. It is a red herring.

The meal ended up costing £25. The £2 is effectively a tip and therefore you subtract it from £27 you don't add it.

The point is to illustrate how easy it is for adults to misunderstand apparently simple things like adding.

To be honest I think I have made my point brilliantly.

That's the same as what smcc said just explained in different words.

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1 minute ago, irvine_buddie said:

That's the same as what smcc said just explained in different words.

I bet you guys get all excited at the Times Crossword and Bargain Hunt.....................

Or are you just privately in denial about the game Saturday 

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4 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Although for someone who seemed upset at a ref saying you're a good team and playing well and you'll stay up Jack's message was exactly the same - if we play like that in the last two games we will stay up.

But surely the ref was just saying this to deflect the fact that he'd made a monumental fuk up for the first Utd goal , amongst other fuk ups .

 

 

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31 minutes ago, irvine_buddie said:

That's the same as what smcc said just explained in different words.

Don't start him - he'll set you another primary school teaser to deflect from his latest misunderstanding...

At least he's not still banging on about us having a 1 in 3 chance of staying up in the play offs...seems to have gone quiet on that front. :lol:

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From ET ...

Gary MacKenzie floored by ref and Dane as St Mirren fall back into mire

Saints defender Gary Mackenzie lies on the pitch after being pole-axed by United striker Thomas Mikkelsen who then scored the opener

Saints defender Gary Mackenzie lies on the pitch after being pole-axed by United striker Thomas Mikkelsen who then scored the opener

 

GARY MacKENZIE was pole-axed by Thomas Mikkelsen and referee Craig Charleston as Dundee United’s Danish striker celebrated a controversial opener.

The 6ft 4in St Mirren defender was left crumpled in a heap following the seventh-minute flashpoint which left Jack Ross’ side furious.

Mikkelsen’s waist-high challenge was somehow permitted by Charleston as the Dane proceeded to lash home a thunderous volley.

Mikkelsen admitted later to MacKenzie he’d been guilty of a foul and, while the visitors recovered to equalise twice, the result put Saints back into the play-off position.

“I didn’t even know it was a goal,” reflected MacKenzie who went onto level matters with a towering 39th minute header.

“I was lying on the deck at the time and thought the noise was for the foul not being given.

“But I then got up and saw that the goal had stood.

“So a wee bit of the red mist came down as to why that kind off goal could possibly have been allowed to stand.

“It was just actual disbelief because it was a foul.

“I’ve taken it on my chest and he’s cracked me.  The fella, to be fair to him, said it was a foul and he caught me near the waist. But you can’t take that back because it’s a goal.

This was Saints’ first defeat in eight as Blair Spittal’s late goal gave United victory after Tony Andreu’s second-half free-kick for United was cancelled out by Buddies’ sub Josh Todd’s exquisite 86th minute strike.

It was tough on Ross’ players especially as it coincided with them slipping back into second-bottom place, and they were critical of Charleston again for punishing Stephen McGinn for what was deemed a deliberate pass-back which led to Andreu’s goal from an indirect free-kick inside the box.

MacKenzie, though, remains confident Saints can avoid the drop with clashes against Raith Rovers and Hibs left.“We deserved something,” stated the 31-year-old defender. 

“So it’s disappointing and a bit of frustration with both their goals.

“A point would have been good but we have to get on with it against Raith Rovers and get a win to put us in a good position going into the final game.”

Meanwhile, United scorer Andreu conceded Ray McKinnon’s men were second-best. 

Frenchman Andreu said: “Overall, they played better than us. 

“But in the end, we showed that we wanted it more. That’s what we need to hang on to for the next games.”

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3 hours ago, Sonny said:

Meanwhile, back to the match ...

 

 

 

Three things from the footage - firstly, that is a chest-high straight-studs assault on a St Mirren defender. One of the worst refereeing decisions I have personally witnessed. Up there with failing to send off Artur Boruc for charging out of his goalmouth and halving Craig Dargo in two.

Secondly, what in the name of the wee man was O'Brien thinking about when he picked that passback up? FFS man.

Thirdly, look at the abuse given right in O'Brien's face by a team-mate after his error in catching a clear passback resulted in a United goal. I thought we were looking at a St Johnstone team-mate on team-mate situation developing there.

Finally, O'Brien better not cost us any more goals in these two vital final games. Get a fcuking grip. Harsh? His team-mates clearly don't think so.

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11 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

 

Three things from the footage - firstly, that is a chest-high straight-studs assault on a St Mirren defender. One of the worst refereeing decisions I have personally witnessed. Up there with failing to send off Artur Boruc for charging out of his goalmouth and halving Craig Dargo in two.

Secondly, what in the name of the wee man was O'Brien thinking about when he picked that passback up? FFS man.

Thirdly, look at the abuse given right in O'Brien's face by a team-mate after his error in catching a clear passback resulted in a United goal. I thought we were looking at a St Johnstone team-mate on team-mate situation developing there.

Finally, O'Brien better not cost us any more goals in these two vital final games. Get a fcuking grip. Harsh? His team-mates clearly don't think so.

To be fair that is what McGinn is like, and one of the things that make him a good captain. We have lacked someone to give bollockings to team mates since Goodwin left, and even he didn't administer the kind of verbals that McGinn has doled out a few times now. Remember Stelios after the 2nd goal in the 6-2 win over Ayr? McGinn leads by example so often, but is also able to motivate in other ways...

On the O'Brien passback debacle, he clearly thought it was more of a clearance than a backpass as he would have been more than able to hoof it. He won't make the same mistake again. Time to show his mettle though, and start coming for crosses. Teams are now targetting us with cross balls and high balls into the box - if Billy came out and punched a couple it would give his defence a bit more confidence in him, and possibly stop teams doing it so often.

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3 minutes ago, Soctty said:

To be fair that is what McGinn is like, and one of the things that make him a good captain. We have lacked someone to give bollockings to team mates since Goodwin left, and even he didn't administer the kind of verbals that McGinn has doled out a few times now. Remember Stelios after the 2nd goal in the 6-2 win over Ayr? McGinn leads by example so often, but is also able to motivate in other ways...

On the O'Brien passback debacle, he clearly thought it was more of a clearance than a backpass as he would have been more than able to hoof it. He won't make the same mistake again. Time to show his mettle though, and start coming for crosses. Teams are now targetting us with cross balls and high balls into the box - if Billy came out and punched a couple it would give his defence a bit more confidence in him, and possibly stop teams doing it so often.

McGinn gave O'Brien a bollocking at Falkirk's second goal too. That's two weeks in a row McGinn has given O'Brien a bollocking. I don't have an issue with McGinn being animated and vocal, I have an issue with our goalkeeper regularly giving him cause to.

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