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6 hours ago, pozbaird said:

The result of the election is without doubt. In England, it will be pretty much wall-to-wall Tory blue. In Scotland, it will be pretty much wall-to-wall SNP yellow.... however, my gut tells me Sturgeon and the SNP are hacking off a percentage of those who voted 'yes' the last time, who want the SNP to crack on with governing the country, and to shut the fcuk up about independence at this juncture. This juncture being uncertainty over Brexit, over what that cnut Trump might do, and where the EU as an entity is heading. 

The only really interesting thing will be to see if the SNP pissing-off 'casual' pro-independence voters during Indy1 translates into the SNP losing votes to the other parties up here.

Either way, in my area, if the Tories put up Timothy Piggot-Chinless - who needs Sat Nav to find out where Cumbernauld is, then they can fcuk off. If the SNP put up Mhari Black's 15 year old wee sister who runs around shouting for Indy2, 3, and 4 (until they fcuking win one), then they can fcuk off. If Labour put up a beer-bellied, red-nosed alcoholic with Arthur Scargill hair, then they can fcuk off. If the Lib Dems put up an ex-vicar who wants to suck Teresa May's boaby (she surely has one), then they can fcuk off. If the Greens put up a vegetarian weirdo like Drew, then they can fcuk off.

Going to be a tough fight for my vote. I want them all to basically just fcuk off.

Aside from the Tories, none of these parties asked for this election, so I hope you don't let your (understandably) jaded attitude sway you against exercising your right to vote.

In Scotland, this election will be a proxy independence referendum. Like it or not, that's the reality.

For me, the very concept of a further 10 years or so of a government who have given us the rape clause, and benefits cuts for bereaved families leaves me feeling physically sick. That's the tip of an abhorrent iceberg, incidentally.

There is a great deal at stake, here. I hope folks don't lose sight of that.

 

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36 minutes ago, Drew said:

Aside from the Tories, none of these parties asked for this election, so I hope you don't let your (understandably) jaded attitude sway you against exercising your right to vote.

In Scotland, this election will be a proxy independence referendum. Like it or not, that's the reality.

For me, the very concept of a further 10 years or so of a government who have given us the rape clause, and benefits cuts for bereaved families leaves me feeling physically sick. That's the tip of an abhorrent iceberg, incidentally.

There is a great deal at stake, here. I hope folks don't lose sight of that.

 

Self delete.

 

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12 minutes ago, Drew said:

Aside from the Tories, none of these parties asked for this election, so I hope you don't let your (understandably) jaded attitude sway you against exercising your right to vote.

In Scotland, this election will be a proxy independence referendum. Like it or not, that's the reality.

For me, the very concept of a further 10 years or so of a government who have given us the rape clause, and benefits cuts for bereaved families leaves me feeling physically sick. That's the tip of an abhorrent iceberg, incidentally.

There is a great deal at stake, here. I hope folks don't lose sight of that.

 

No, I will vote. I always do. As I said though, all I can be responsible for is my own X in the box, so will vote based on my perception of the ability / personality / common sense of each individual candidate standing in my particular area. I.E. If you're a blatant knobcheese, I'm not voting for you, no matter the colour of yer' rosette.

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4 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

No, I will vote. I always do. As I said though, all I can be responsible for is my own X in the box, so will vote based on my perception of the ability / personality / common sense of each individual candidate standing in my particular area. I.E. If you're a blatant knobcheese, I'm not voting for you, no matter the colour of yer' rosette.

Not all vegetarians are blatant knobcheeses like me.

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12 hours ago, East Lothian Saint said:

Let's face it folks this is all about Brexit.

We are told we can't stay in the single market and keep control of our borders. Brexiteers want a hard Brexit and remainers want to sabotage Brexit and Prevent the Tories delivering what were the two main brexit drivers.

Stopping Brussels interference and keeping foreigners out.

May has called the election to give her more clout in the Brexit negotiations.

Assuming Brexit can't be reversed why should we give hope to any party who wants to assist Europe in giving us a shitty deal.

If its really about National interest it leaves us all between a rock and a hard place.

De-railing the tories will just give Europe more control over our future will it not?

:withstupid

enlighten me!

I think you are spot on Buddie . It is all about having the mandate to leave Europe , the opposition parties are aiming to sabotage that which could be damaging to our country. 

Labour have lost a lot of their base vote it would seem over their attempts to sabotage and claims that they will prevent the government pushing it through. 

The majority of people in the country wanted to leave and it should be done as smoothly as possible . 

I don't think wee Nicky is too impressed because the likelyhood is she will lose some of the seats her party has at Westminster . We are likely to see a further swing to the tories in Scotland as Labour lose more of their grip . Labour in Scotland still seem to be at odds to some extent with the English Labour Party which won't do them any good. .

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46 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said:

I think you are spot on Buddie . It is all about having the mandate to leave Europe , the opposition parties are aiming to sabotage that which could be damaging to our country. 

Labour have lost a lot of their base vote it would seem over their attempts to sabotage and claims that they will prevent the government pushing it through. 

The majority of people in the country wanted to leave and it should be done as smoothly as possible . 

I don't think wee Nicky is too impressed because the likelyhood is she will lose some of the seats her party has at Westminster . We are likely to see a further swing to the tories in Scotland as Labour lose more of their grip . Labour in Scotland still seem to be at odds to some extent with the English Labour Party which won't do them any good. .

It wouldn't have anything to do with the CPS considering prosecution of 30 key Tory figues in respect of alleged election fraud?

No, of course it wouldn't Drew. Don't be silly. Its clearly all about the national interest, and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Tory self-preservation.

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The Masses, especially the Scottish Masses are getting awfy upset with Mrs May and also with a Newspaper.

Those Masses are the usual sweary and abusive and showing no class.

THE TARTAN MASSES ARE UNCOUTH AND VULGAR ASSES :lol:

 

Should be a Rally in George Square very soon. :lol:

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38 minutes ago, Drew said:

It wouldn't have anything to do with the CPS considering prosecution of 30 key Tory figues in respect of alleged election fraud?

No, of course it wouldn't Drew. Don't be silly. Its clearly all about the national interest, and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Tory self-preservation.

Wasn't aware of this but if if 30 Tories lost their seats and some lib/lab/snp co-coalition suddenly found themselves in power and responsible for Brexit negotiations I think we'd be fecked. We could just give Donald Tusk the Keys to our front door and the combination codes for the bank of England. Poland could ship in all their electricians and the Romanians can employ us all selling clothes pegs at stalls on every street corner whilst Abu Hamza takes over the UK National Security role.

Britain was built on the back of crooked figures with self interest at the heart of everything they did but they knew they needed a strong Britain to protect their interests. 

If ever there was a time for true British spirit......

:withstupid

Are the opposition Crooked enough to see us alright.

 

 

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1 minute ago, East Lothian Saint said:

Wasn't aware of this but if if 30 Tories lost their seats and some lib/lab/snp co-coalition suddenly found themselves in power and responsible for Brexit negotiations I think we'd be fecked. We could just give Donald Tusk the Keys to our front door and the combination codes for the bank of England. Poland could ship in all their electricians and the Romanians can employ us all selling clothes pegs at stalls on every street corner whilst Abu Hamza takes over the UK National Security role.

Britain was built on the back of crooked figures with self interest at the heart of everything they did but they knew they needed a strong Britain to protect their interests. 

If ever there was a time for true British spirit......

:withstupid

Are the opposition Crooked enough to see us alright.

 

 

It won't be 30 MPs - it might well be a few, but it'll be agents and other officials, presumably. Notwithstanding that, it has huge potential to damage the current govt and the wider Tory party. A snap GE is the ideal way to deflect from that while they are still (inexplicably) flying high in the approval ratings.

They will, of course, increase their majority, hence mitigating the outcome of any prosecutions, whilst sealing another 5 years to further the interest of the haves, while the poorest and most vulnerable continue to be f**ked over. Nice!

As for the rest of your post, I'll put that down to a bit a shabby trolling and leave it at that.

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1 minute ago, Drew said:

It won't be 30 MPs - it might well be a few, but it'll be agents and other officials, presumably. Notwithstanding that, it has huge potential to damage the current govt and the wider Tory party. A snap GE is the ideal way to deflect from that while they are still (inexplicably) flying high in the approval ratings.

They will, of course, increase their majority, hence mitigating the outcome of any prosecutions, whilst sealing another 5 years to further the interest of the haves, while the poorest and most vulnerable continue to be f**ked over. Nice!

As for the rest of your post, I'll put that down to a bit a shabby trolling and leave it at that.

Shabby Trolling? Not too Shabby I'd say.

My point is not made in support of the Tories. IMO The haves and the Have not's are not the Key Battle here. The Real battle is the component parts of the UK V Europe. The Haves and have nots may need to unite to ensure their is something left for anyone to have.

Scottish independence supporters and the rest of the UK may also have to call a truce until Brexit is sorted.

I'm open to persuasion but Tory politicians are crooked and self interested is not a convincing argument for throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Some one has to oversee Brexit

Who the Feck do we think can do it best.

:withstupid

Simple Question. Well not really.

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There are all hating today because of a great lady who saved our Country in the 1980's.

Brainwashed Masses are Asses and are spewing their hate over the Media. 

:lol:

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17 hours ago, Doakes said:

First time I've posted in one of these mad politics threads. Been having a think about this today and its coming down to ticking off who I absolutely won't vote for, then seeing who's left. 

Tories - will hoover up anyone who is pro-brexit, pro-union and many of those who see Corbyn as a pure joke, really strong position. They're an absolute cancer for the poor, but they don't pretend otherwise so got to give them that. However, what they're doing to disabled people is absolutely unforgiveable. No chance.

Labour - don't seem to have an actual stance on anything, they've really messed up in Scotland so can't vote for them either. They abstained from voting against austerity, but still claim to be against it. Corbyn seems awright as a guy, but has no control over his party. Where's Andy Burnham now? Always liked that guy, did some fine work on Hillsborough. Probably wouldn't vote for them as it stands.

Lib dems - actually in a decent position to hoover up some English votes, but they broke that pledge on student fees. Canny vote for a party that I don't trust to keep their word. Wish there was a decent liberal option. 

UKIP - their agenda is now pointless as a concept. Lost some of their main voices. All but finished, would never vote for them anyway, horrible party.

SNP - reckon they were quite happy sitting with their huge majority of Scottish MP's, blaming the Tories for everything bad that happens. In reality, are they doing that well with the tools available? Need a wake up call, not untouchable

Greens - maybe. Bit of a wasted vote, will vote for them if I can't see any alternative. Sometimes agree with Patrick Harvie, do believe that renewable energy is the way to go. Got all the natural resources in Scotland, need to use them as best we can without f**king up our planet

 

 

 

I have to agree about the Greens. I would love them to have a stronger backing, though I think an independent Scotland is their only chance of a heavier backing to compete with the SNP.

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6 minutes ago, East Lothian Saint said:

Shabby Trolling? Not too Shabby I'd say.

My point is not made in support of the Tories. IMO The haves and the Have not's are not the Key Battle here. The Real battle is the component parts of the UK V Europe. The Haves and have nots may need to unite to ensure their is something left for anyone to have.

Scottish independence supporters and the rest of the UK may also have to call a truce until Brexit is sorted.

I'm open to persuasion but Tory politicians are crooked and self interested is not a convincing argument for throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Some one has to oversee Brexit

Who the Feck do we think can do it best.

:withstupid

Simple Question. Well not really.

The shabby charge was a reference to Romanian clothes peg sellers etc.

Like everyone elase, you are entitled to youe views on this. As I mentioned previously, this election is down to the Tories, and no-one else. Call it how you will, but remember that no-one else has asked for it.

I will remain very cynical as to their motivation. They claim that Westminster isn't sufficiently united - for that, read that their majority is pretty slim - yet they haven't lost any significant rexit related vote.

May is a liar and a hypocrite. The very personification of the Tory part (IMHO).

 

 

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Just now, Drew said:

The shabby charge was a reference to Romanian clothes peg sellers etc.

Like everyone elase, you are entitled to youe views on this. As I mentioned previously, this election is down to the Tories, and no-one else. Call it how you will, but remember that no-one else has asked for it.

I will remain very cynical as to their motivation. They claim that Westminster isn't sufficiently united - for that, read that their majority is pretty slim - yet they haven't lost any significant rexit related vote.

May is a liar and a hypocrite. The very personification of the Tory part (IMHO).

 

 

Agree. It's all about the Tories and fcuk-all to do with the country / unity. The whole Brexit thing only happened because Bullingdon Club toryboy Cameron wanted to get it right up parts of his own party, and he thought he'd come through the referendum with a 'yes' vote in his hip pocket and strengthening his own position as a Prime Minister who said there would be an EU vote, he delivered an EU vote, and he won the EU vote. A massive GIRFUY to the Euro sceptics in his own party. That was also fcuk-all to do with anything other than Tory self-interest. Didn't work out for toryboy Dave, everyone else is picking up the pieces.

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1 minute ago, Drew said:

The shabby charge was a reference to Romanian clothes peg sellers etc.

Like everyone elase, you are entitled to youe views on this. As I mentioned previously, this election is down to the Tories, and no-one else. Call it how you will, but remember that no-one else has asked for it.

I will remain very cynical as to their motivation. They claim that Westminster isn't sufficiently united - for that, read that their majority is pretty slim - yet they haven't lost any significant rexit related vote.

May is a liar and a hypocrite. The very personification of the Tory part (IMHO).

 

 

Everyone is very sensitive now and I don't think your allowed to be cynical either. If I had said we'd all be working for Romanian entrepreneurs would that have been more acceptable. Maybe I'm just being too cynical.

They haven't lost any votes but they are making concessions which Europe will exploit.

We need to unite to get the best deal possible but unfortunately Politicians are in charge.

IMO the question is not which ones do we trust but which ones are devious enough to look after our interests

:withstupid

Who do you suggest.

 

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19 hours ago, El Gingero said:

Independence is inevitable because for a lot of Independence supporters they couldn't care less the state of the country is in, as long as Scotland is independent.

The only way to get rid of the under performing joke of an SNP government in Scotland might be to be independent and get shot of them that way.

Are you only just realising that there will be no place for the SNP after independence? It is so blindingly obvious.

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17 hours ago, East Lothian Saint said:

Corbyn came on the scene claiming to be a man of principle and justice. All pro the people and anti war. A man who would challenge the wrongs of the warmonger and stand up for the weak. I wasn't that keen on some of his ideas but I thought he was at least a man of principle until he had a chance to prove himself and bottled it to save himself. All his anti war rhetoric proved meaningless when he allowed a free vote on bombing Syria to pacify his rebels.

It turned out the man was a cowardly buffoon.

:withstupid

Can't trust Politicians

Corbyn is why we are having this farce, he is also why we are Brexit ...... In saying that look at his predecessors- Blair and Brown....  Do Lab party members say-So Corbyn is just a spineless clueless rudderless idiot but  at least he is not a warmonger  or a fraud............ well wonderful...........

So Scotland- Do we have the bottle this time? May has handed Indy on a plate............... Hmmm I doubt it

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