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General Election 8th June

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11 minutes ago, scottd said:

In that vote an abstention is the same as a vote against, as the motion required 2/3 of MP's to vote in favour to pass.

Not the best way to start by giving the impression they are running scared. This is their big chance to get an indisputable mandate and they abstain.

Don't get it. Should they not have started on the front foot  making a claim for every Scottish seat claiming it's in Scotland's best interest to get the Tories out?

 

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They abstained because it keeps their philosophy intact. No need to vote but it makes it clear they wanted to adhere to a fixed term. Win, win.

3 short of a whitewash and 2 terms as the largest party in Hollyrood? Looks like a mandate. Sounds like a mandate..........

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33 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

They abstained because it keeps their philosophy intact. No need to vote but it makes it clear they wanted to adhere to a fixed term. Win, win.

3 short of a whitewash and 2 terms as the largest party in Hollyrood? Looks like a mandate. Sounds like a mandate..........

Reminds me of an old eskimo joke "Smells like a Bear shite, feels like a bear shite, tastes like a bear shite....... Good job we didn't step in it"

Many of the voters who put them there didn't want independence but if they win this one convincingly I'll accept they have a mandate.

Anyway enough of this Pish. It's just been confirmed I've got cover for work on Saturday and I can go to the game. I'm off to the matchday, Dundee Utd thread instead of this one. Need to check train times etc. Bye.

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I'm a member of the SNP but I've lost faith in my own MSP and MP due to lack of support they provided to my Mum who was one of two ladies driving the recent Mesh campaign in Scotland. The only one that has spoken out about how the mesh review was carried out was Alex Neil. All the support has came from Labour and Tory MSPs, which pissed me off as I have backed the SNP for many years, and when my family needed them to take action they not only let us down but hundreds of others in Scotland. It's left a real sour taste in my mouth and I will be resigning my membership as I don't have faith.

So for the council elections, I'll be backing the greens or an independent I think.

However for the General Election, I think I will still vote SNP as I think they are the only credible option at WM for the seats for Scotland.

Hoping for independence one day, and for lots of new political parties to emerge on the back of that.

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3 hours ago, scottd said:

Which would have occurred had our Union partners in England and Wales not made plain their dislike of furriners.  It is Brexit that has brought independence back to the surface and anyone who says otherwise is at it.

The way Brexit is being used as justification for another Indy referendum, one would be forgiven for thinking that every single Scot had voted to remain part of the EU.

1.7 million voted to remain.

1 million voted to leave.

A sizable majority granted, but as a percentage of the electorate hardly the way it is being portrayed.

Let's be totally honest about it... despite losing at the last referendum, Independence has never left the table... NS has hinted at a second referendum at every opportunity and has been very clever in her manipulation of voters on both sides of the country... for example voting on Fox Hunting in England and Wales just to piss off the electorate outwith Scotland!

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6 hours ago, Drew said:

I'm quite sure they'll be fine. They'll be fine if they are afforded scope to chart their own futures.

 

Yeah that's a decent point.

The democratic deficit cannot be argued against.

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6 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:


They used to put people on that register if they were caught pissing in a public place. Depends on how you define innocent I suppose.
All a bit off topic anyway

Actually I did know that but forgot.

Either way, the guy was put on there for admitting to having a stash of child porn on his PC. 

Of course he wrote a couple of good tunes a while back so people make allowances for that.

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6 hours ago, Soctty said:


Let me try this again - me no waste more time on pompous oaksoft.

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No. You dont know how to engage in an adult debate with someone who has an opposing view to yours.

OR more likely you are one of those people I am talking about.

Either way it's your loss bud.

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No. You dont know how to engage in an adult debate with someone who has an opposing view to yours.
OR more likely you are one of those people I am talking about.
Either way it's your loss bud.


Bore off...

My loss.

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6 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Both.

Take a view over 4 years and then take a view over 50 years and you should see what I mean?

Maybe I'm being pedantic but how can you say our benefit system IS as generous as it's EVER been while, in the next sentence saying the tories are "reining it in". Talk about squaring a circle.

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1 hour ago, stlucifer said:

Maybe I'm being pedantic but how can you say our benefit system IS as generous as it's EVER been while, in the next sentence saying the tories are "reining it in". Talk about squaring a circle.

Eh?

Maybe he's saying the benefit system is at an all time high BUT the Tories are making attempts to reduce the amount of benefits people receive?

Just my view.

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Actually I did know that but forgot.
Either way, the guy was put on there for admitting to having a stash of child porn on his PC. 
Of course he wrote a couple of good tunes a while back so people make allowances for that.

I take your point about how the arts seem to make allowances for sexual perversions among those who have reached a certain level of critical acclaim.
In this particular case, IIRC, townshend didn't have child porn on his computer.

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I'm a member of the SNP but I've lost faith in my own MSP and MP due to lack of support they provided to my Mum who was one of two ladies driving the recent Mesh campaign in Scotland. The only one that has spoken out about how the mesh review was carried out was Alex Neil. All the support has came from Labour and Tory MSPs, which pissed me off as I have backed the SNP for many years, and when my family needed them to take action they not only let us down but hundreds of others in Scotland. It's left a real sour taste in my mouth and I will be resigning my membership as I don't have faith.

So for the council elections, I'll be backing the greens or an independent I think.

However for the General Election, I think I will still vote SNP as I think they are the only credible option at WM for the seats for Scotland.

Hoping for independence one day, and for lots of new political parties to emerge on the back of that.


That last paragraph is spot on. I was cornered by some Labour activists last week and made that precise point to them. The only hope for Scottish Labour is for them to ditch their southern party and back independence. Many of their own members agree with that but won't break the party line. Maybe after June when it looks like they will be wiped out down south, the penny will drop. Henry McLeish has said as much, but wee Kezia is still following the misguided belief that she can beat the Tories at their own game. June could be a real game changer for Scottish Labour.

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17 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Does it?

Oh, you mean you can read into it what you like?

Go on then tell me why you think she won't face other party leaders in a TV debate. To me it sounds like she will be shown up to what her policies are hurting her party of votes. Why else would she refuse to face the nation. What a bizarre post you made. 

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Just now, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Go on then tell me why you think she won't face other party leaders in a TV debate. To me it sounds like she will be shown up to what her policies are hurting her party of votes. Why else would she refuse to face the nation. What a bizarre post you made. 

What a bizarre post?

You, as usual, have already made your mind up as it suits your agenda, although I sincerely doubt your suggestion is close to the truth.

Me, I don't give a feck.

As I said, read into it what you like. :byebye

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27 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Go on then tell me why you think she won't face other party leaders in a TV debate. To me it sounds like she will be shown up to what her policies are hurting her party of votes. Why else would she refuse to face the nation. What a bizarre post you made. 

Because she is way out in the lead and going on a TV debate could be risky if she doesn't do well. She is assuming that she will still be way out in the lead even if a TV debate goes ahead without her.

If the election was in the balance then she would be more inclined I would imagine.

There should be a rule which forces the leaders to go on the debate.

In saying that, any debate should only involve leaders who are actually standing for Westminster....

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