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Now that we have the heartland of brexit support, the north-east of England, paying the price for their decision via the announcement by Nissan that the hub of the NE economy is to undergo a slow and painful death.  The warning also came forward that the outlook for investment in the UK car industry is bleak based upon the uncertainty-just the uncertainty- that the political debacle has created.  Given that uncertainty has probably already killed the economy of a large region of the UK, what will the stark reality do to the whole country when it manifests itself?

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Now that we have the heartland of brexit support, the north-east of England, paying the price for their decision via the announcement by Nissan that the hub of the NE economy is to undergo a slow and painful death.  The warning also came forward that the outlook for investment in the UK car industry is bleak based upon the uncertainty-just the uncertainty- that the political debacle has created.  Given that uncertainty has probably already killed the economy of a large region of the UK, what will the stark reality do to the whole country when it manifests itself?
Seems the only folk who never saw this coming was the Nissan workers who enthusiastically voted to leave. Oh and the guys in Derby and South Wales in similar industries.
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7 hours ago, beyond our ken said:

Now that we have the heartland of brexit support, the north-east of England, paying the price for their decision via the announcement by Nissan that the hub of the NE economy is to undergo a slow and painful death.  The warning also came forward that the outlook for investment in the UK car industry is bleak based upon the uncertainty-just the uncertainty- that the political debacle has created.  Given that uncertainty has probably already killed the economy of a large region of the UK, what will the stark reality do to the whole country when it manifests itself?

You could argue that our local car industry was destroyed a long time ago by a company from France whilst we were embroiled with them in the then EEC.  .

Is it possible that Niss*n are using our exit from Europe as an excuse to pull out?

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You could argue that our local car industry was destroyed a long time ago by a company from France whilst we were embroiled with them in the then EEC.  .
Is it possible that Niss*n are using our exit from Europe as an excuse to pull out?
Don't think they are, however access to the 27 countries will take precedent over UK market.
The small matter of being part of the wider Renault, Nissan group will also come into it.
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41 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said:

You could argue that our local car industry was destroyed a long time ago by a company from France whilst we were embroiled with them in the then EEC.  .

Is it possible that Niss*n are using our exit from Europe as an excuse to pull out?

You could argue that if you were twisted or blinkered or both

Linwood closed due to lack of investment, industrial unrest and the cost of being hundreds of miles from feeder plants where most of the parts were made.  There was big investment in plants down south that made Linwood VERY costly to produce in

it also made a car that hardly sold outside the UK

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1 hour ago, beyond our ken said:

You could argue that if you were twisted or blinkered or both

Linwood closed due to lack of investment, industrial unrest and the cost of being hundreds of miles from feeder plants where most of the parts were made.  There was big investment in plants down south that made Linwood VERY costly to produce in

it also made a car that hardly sold outside the UK

Nice. .

 

So the French only bought it to asset strip it then . .

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10 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

they were interested in the sites down south, but had to take the lot.

it was, of course, a car maker and not the French government that bought it

Sounds like the French actually consulted you about the deal , nice . I'm offy glad there was no industrial unrest at the sites down south

 

 

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11 hours ago, beyond our ken said:

Now that we have the heartland of brexit support, the north-east of England, paying the price for their decision via the announcement by Nissan that the hub of the NE economy is to undergo a slow and painful death.  The warning also came forward that the outlook for investment in the UK car industry is bleak based upon the uncertainty-just the uncertainty- that the political debacle has created.  Given that uncertainty has probably already killed the economy of a large region of the UK, what will the stark reality do to the whole country when it manifests itself?

They are keeping the work in Japan.

They can't blame Brexit for that FFS. :lol:

Maybe if they'd moved it to France.

They are using Brexit as an excuse to do something they'd have done anyway.

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On 1/18/2019 at 9:10 PM, saintnextlifetime said:
On 1/18/2019 at 6:25 PM, Bud the Baker said:

 

 

No, what was unmentionable back in the 70s (and although Heath might not have broadcast it, it was hardly a secret) has come to pass and brooding over it will help no-one. A salient & contemporary point is the Trade Deal Japan has just reached with the EU - a "No Deal" Brexit or TMs deal would leave us outside this agreement which took 4 years to conclude. Even if we can negotiate an equivalent deal there would be a gap when we would be at a disadvantage compared to the remaining (sic) 27 EU countries - is it purely coincidence Hitachi scrapped a £16Bn nuclear power station in Anglesy yesterday? Even if it's not directly down to Brexit it's generally agreed that the mess over Nuclear Energy Policy has been worsened by the lack of attention given to anything other than than the government's flagship, erm, policy!

Now we are well off the point . I really don't give a monkeys f**k about some trade deal done by Europe , l really don't . People are talking about how leaving the fascist supers-state , the Fourth Reich Europe will be detrimental to our ecomony , well maybe it will and maybe it wont but what we do know is that Europe has certainly destroyed the ecomony of more than one country. Another country in the Club is finding out that you get sanctions when your people reject Europe's imigration policy . Europe is a corrupt , undemocratic f**kup , set up for the financial benefit of Germany and they want to remove sovereignity from ever other country( Merkel has confirmed that) . We will leave , sooner rather than later . .hopefully

I imagine many of the 61% who voted LEAVE in Sunderland would've said about the same about the EU-Japan Trade Deal last month. The result of the deal however is that Tariffs for cars made in Japan are being phased out with the prospect of them being introduced for Britain (and said cars made in Sunderland) if as looks likely we end up being outside a Customs Union.

 

The result - no new investment in Sunderlnad but I doubt whether Boris/JRM/DDCup et al will be losing sleep over this change of plans by Nissan, 

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11 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

I would imagine many of the 61% who voted LEAVE in Sunderland would've said about the same about the EU-Japan Trade Deal last month. The result of the deal however is that Japan is now in the position where Tariffs for cars made in Japan are being phased out with the prospect of Britain being outside a Customs Union with the rest of the EU and possibly facing Tariffs (on the said cars made in Sunderland) upon leaving.

 

The result - no new investment in Sunderlnad but I doubt whether Boris/JRM/DDCup et al will be losing sleep over this change of plans by Nissan, 

Oddly enough it seems some Brexiteers in Sunderland still want to leave even though it impoverishes them and harms their future. Brexit is a political ideology with little or no grounding in economics. 

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22 minutes ago, magnus said:

Oddly enough it seems some Brexiteers in Sunderland still want to leave even though it impoverishes them and harms their future. Brexit is a political ideology with little or no grounding in economics. 

My opinion?  Many people have swallowed the line "Britain is great, we once ruled the world and can do it again if we are free"

They honestly think the disaster capitalists are doing this for the sake of the country.

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6 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

My opinion?  Many people have swallowed the line "Britain is great, we once ruled the world and can do it again if we are free"

They honestly think the disaster capitalists are doing this for the sake of the country.

They obviously never owned an Austin Allegro......

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8 hours ago, magnus said:

Oddly enough it seems some Brexiteers in Sunderland still want to leave even though it impoverishes them and harms their future. Brexit is a political ideology with little or no grounding in economics. 

The Britannia Unchained neoliberal wing of the Tory party seem to think being a low regulation economy on the edge of the EU will be just fine & dandy - personally I look forward to the return of Workhouses and other Victorian institutions  I intend to start a franchise of Opium Dens called Shanghai Dreamz..

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8 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:
15 hours ago, beyond our ken said:
You could argue that if you were twisted or blinkered or both
Linwood closed due to lack of investment, industrial unrest and the cost of being hundreds of miles from feeder plants where most of the parts were made.  There was big investment in plants down south that made Linwood VERY costly to produce in
it also made a car that hardly sold outside the UK

There was also a pricing issue, I'm sure Antrim (I hope I spelt his name correct) can explain it better.

From the Herald, 23 years ago

"Chrysler's European adventure never matched those of Ford or General Motors. In 1976, the Labour Government mounted a #162m rescue. By August 1978, Chrysler, troubled back home and overseas, was in retreat, its whole European empire snapped up by Peugeot of France. Peugeot had absorbed Citroen in 1975 and now had a third marque, Talbot, in its portfolio. But Peugeot-Citroen needed to rationalise both its model range and its production capacity. Linwood, with two models scarcely making it into the UK top 20, was a predictable target.

And what of the Crazy-K reputation? Linwood, the wildcat plant, where everything could come to a standstill over a payment of #1 a week for just 50 men. The plant where, in one memorable Herald picture in 1977, 2400 stockpiled cars were shown clustering the strike-bound plant, defective or awaiting parts"

It was largely about quality, the distance from markets and the fact that most of the cars made there were already an aged marque when they were passed on to Linwood but the industrial relations didn't help.  Pricing was an issue in that the cost of production at Linwood was at times higher than the price the cars could fetch on the forecourt.  As I said, Peugeot just bought Linwood as part of the job lot with the intention of closing it down at the first opportunity and concentrating production down south.

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We're gonna be one of them "Rogue Nations" aren;t we - not to worry we can always count on Persia as an ally!

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They are keeping the work in Japan.
They can't blame Brexit for that FFS. [emoji38]
Maybe if they'd moved it to France.
They are using Brexit as an excuse to do something they'd have done anyway.
Japan just signed off on a trade agreement with EU. Once we leave we ain't part of that agreement.
In the short term at least, it'll be easier to export from Japan to EU than from UK. Japan only country that currently makes new x trail model.
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43 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
6 hours ago, beyond our ken said:
"the french"?  Don't you mean Peugeot?
Careful you don't let a little hint of bigotry show.

Was Peugeot part owned by the French government back then?

They currently have a stake, but I cant find any evidence of state ownership before 2014

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They currently have a stake, but I cant find any evidence of state ownership before 2104
Cheers. I was too young to know back then, although nationalisation was all the rage in, parts of, our car industry.
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