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Livingston v St Mirren 17th Feb

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Terrible day at the office today. Tactics were were a bit off, continually lumping balls from the back up to Reilly or Morgan out on the wing which 9 times out of 10 was easily mopped up by the Livy defence, if we were going to be doing that throughout the game we should have started Hippolyte up alongside Reilly to provide a bit of an aerial presence.  Still no clue why Jack always seems to hook Reilly after 60 minutes or so in the majority of games for Mullen, he must have his reasons, but in my opinion Mullen is just not up to the same quality of Reilly, hopefully he proves me wrong but so far Mullen has done virtually nothing in a st mirren shirt and just seems to be very of the pace of the games he has been involved in.  Defensively today we were all over the place, the first goal was beyond laughable, Baird was under pressure but was getting to the ball before the striker, no clue what Sammy was thinking coming out for the ball miles of his line. No communication between the 2 at all. The 4th goal was just horrendous aswell, took an absolute age to clear our lines and eventually played a slack lazy ball to the keeper before being intercepted , although the game was long gone by then, the complete lack of effort at the time once the Livy player got the ball to either close him down or for Sammy to get back on his line was poor. Put it down to the team having an off day, and hopefully if we can manage to beat Brechin next week the confidence will return, but today was not a good display at all.

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We have no divine right to win a game.

A lot of our players, and our management team, had off days. We've all had these and we regroup and get on with it.

Difference is we don't have big babies roaring and greeting about it on a forum.

I'd like to thank the players and management for making me enjoy football again this season. I can live with the odd defeat.

I'm sure next week we will be better.:thumbs2

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1 hour ago, BuddieinEK said:

My steak pie was the pie of the season.
My Bovril with three peppers hit the spot.
The seats handled my lardy ass just fine.

However...

I agree we were bullied.
We saw today what McShane brings to the team. Like many before him.in that role though, we only see it when it isn't there.

He was sorely missed.

Don't think McShane missing was the problem today. Magennis bring more to the team in the center mid role and is a better player. McShane si a decent player but goes missing a lot of the time IMO.

We cant defend high balls in to the box and get bullied every time it happens. Its not the first time this season. 

We need a presence in center defence to defend high balls. We had it last season with Gary Mackenzie. Need to get him match fit and back in the side.

Also can't quite get the tactics of Morgan and Flynn out wide with Reilly through the center. As I've said elsewhere I'd put Flynn on the bench and start Hyppolyte with Reilly.

 

Suspect though that McShane may be back next week with Magennis back on the right !

Edited by lenziebud

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Seriously it could have been 8 _1. We were rotten and they were very good. Web 1 up and the goalie made an absolute arse of himself and we never recovered. Worst display since Tommy Craig days. Hopefully a one off. Must beat brechin on sat.

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So, we lost, no, we got thumped today, no real argument there.

The reason...............well, all subjective so no real right or wrong answer.

As usual there's the over reaction which is no real surprise.

Some supporters have very short memories and unreal expectations.

Looking at the bigger picture shows we're top of the league, we've only lost 5 games from 25 and have an 11 point lead over our nearest rivals.

It seems that people forget Livingston have plenty of hard games, and I know where all the other teams would be..................points on the board, not games in hand.

As for the rest, Dundee United were being written off by many recently, now, all of a sudden, some are saying they are real threat?

Nothing's impossible but can any really see us being anything less than 2nd this season, and that would take quite a collapse from us and an amazing run from Livingston & Dundee United, highly unlikely.

It seems some see us as world beaters then shite withing the space of a few weeks. :lol:

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Not going to overreact but that was tommy Craig era bad! Absolutely toothless and clueless I hate sounding like a doom and gloom merchant but there is no way that team can survive the premiership. Ryan f**kin hardie strolling about like a world beater and nobody even gave him a mild kick really got to me! We Defo  need to  toughen up


Tommy Craig era? Away and take a look at yourself.

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4 hours ago, stlucifer said:

I've said for a while now that Livi are our main contenders but we shouldn't be beaten 4-1 by any team in the league with 11 on the park.

This will certainly show if the players are up for it enough to bounce back.

We play some nice football ( at times ) Thought we have looked average in a lot of games second half of last season we played better. It's not the end of the world no way we will throw this away. My Livie match preview I wrote this was a much improved side who dismantled Falkirk and now  St Mirren with ease Livie have come good at the right time. Have wrote  like a few  others we lack a big f**k off a bulldog In midfield.  Still confident we will win the league.  Finally keep reading 4 - 1 was a bad day at the office. Come on guys we did not get beat we were well and truly humped BIG time.  Emotional turmoil from mid week with all speculation? Could be but not good enough 4-1 dress it up all you want bottom line is very , very poor. 

Edited by Isle Of Bute Saint

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Started off with a goal, and everyone myself included thought it was going to be a stroll in the park. A cluster f'k in defence and suddenly we were all over the place and couldn't recover.

We do seem to only have the one plan, but it's that plan that has got us to where we are.

I'll start bricking it when we are only 5/6 ahead, until then, I'm just going to enjoy the ride.

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We play some nice football ( at times ) Thought we have looked average in a lot of games second half of last season we played better. It's not the end of the world no way we will throw this away. My Livie match preview I wrote this was a much improved side who dismantled Falkirk and now  St Mirren with ease Livie have come good at the right time. Have wrote  like a few  others we lack a big f**k off a bulldog In midfield.  Still confident we will win the league.  Finally keep reading 4 - 1 was a bad day at the office. Come on guys we did not get beat we were well and truly humped BIG time.  Emotional turmoil from mid week with all speculation? Could be but not good enough 4-1 dress it up all you want bottom line is very , very poor. 

Good post IOBS
, I have kept my feelings mostly to myself but the last 10 games or so barring the odd exception I have felt we were fortunate to win. We are in a good position to win this league, for me if this means being dirty, nasty, and to fight our way there then so be it. The prize is there, let’s make sure we take it first time and avoid at all costs this play off shite (which we know is heavily weighted against championship teams).

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First league defeat since 2nd December.  First away league defeat since 4th November (that's over 3 months ago).

At least 5 or 6 of the starting 11 had their worst game of the season, all in the one game. In fact you could argue it was all in the one half.

That won't happen again.

Still 11 points clear with 11 (or 12) games left.

 

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Edited by Eric Arthur Blair

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Think we all bought into this "Jack staying its now in the bag " and we only had to turn up and get the points, Livi being on a decent run so its not a big shock . scoreline maybe but look what happened to UTD at  Falkirk and i don't think they will take all the points from their games in hand or Livi will keep winning.

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Difficult day, made worse by the fact that three of the Livi goals went in right in front of most of the Buddies fans, so we could see the inability of our defence to clear its lines very clearly. For once, Chick Young got it right...we were outmuscled. They were bigger and stronger than we were, hence why I and others have been asking for a strong tackler in midfield to break up attacks. Also, I thought Jack Baird and Harry Davis had a shaky day, unusual for them.

Last time we were at Livingston we had a man sent off and still won well, so David Hopkin has clearly brought in the right players in January, to improve his team just in time for the run-in. Unfortunately we don't seem to have done the same. We are playing with largely the same team as before. I feel sorry for Mullen who puts in great shifts but hasn't really clicked, Flynn seems to be settling in reasonably well, still too early to judge Hill and Hippolyte. 

Apart from all that the events of the week must have had an effect on the players. Remember that a fair number of the team is young players brought to the club by JR. They must have been worried by the hoo-hah. When it happened with Dundee in the summer, they weren't playing games. This time they were unsure of what was happening less than 48 hours before playing their nearest rivals in the league. Also, I noticed that Jack was not asked any questions about the Barnsley business in his post-match interview. Clearly the issue was likely to have a bearing on the game, but it wasn't mentioned. Looked as if it had been agreed beforehand that it wouldn't feature.

Despite all of the above, we remain 11 points clear of Livi, so it's not time to panic yet. If we had been given the chance to pick our next opponent, we couldn't have done better. A draw between Livi and United on Friday night and three points against Brechin on Saturday will steady the ship. Also, Jack has a week to settle the nerves in the players, so......COYS!!

PS. I also prefer my Bovril with pepper!

 

Edited by pondsman

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I thought, if Jack had gone to Barnsley, we still have a good team and a great support, enough to see us over the line and win this league. Obviously the team faltered yesterday (big time). It’s now up to us, the fans, to show our quality, not to falter and get behind the team next game.

COYS!

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I expect that the gap will close but hopefully not enough to catch us. The concept of closing a large points gap is interesting as the pressure is off the chasers to an extent which perhaps would explain livis high scoring antics yesterday. Last season everyone thought we were doomed so we could play as the underdog for most of the run in and just get stuck in with nothing to lose . This season we are being chased and while it’s great to be top with such a big gap we might play better if the gap was a bit less. Don’t get me wrong I would love to be 20 points clear with 3 games to play but I expect us to wobble at times. Let’s hope we handle the next few weeks . What a season! I might even get time off for a game. COYS!

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