billyg Posted February 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Hardie not just been loaned from Rangers to Livi, and scoring? is Shankland not scoring for fun at table toppers Ayr, have Walsh, Hutton and Carswell not blossomed in this league? ? TBF 99% of our support , never mind JR , knew this lot were dumplings. Not one of them was fit to wear the stripes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Thats a real selective recollection Sonny, that run of defeats under Ross was dire, and despite what some believe if he hadnt arrested it the pressure on the board to do something would have seen him replaced. Also the facts surrounding players who moved on, you say two are at a higher level, is Hardie not just been loaned from Rangers to Livi, and scoring? is Shankland not scoring for fun at table toppers Ayr, have Walsh, Hutton and Carswell not blossomed in this league? yes all of them for one reason or another didnt click with us. But they are doing so very well for other managers, why is that? Ayr United are now 8 points behind Raith and no longer table toppers and appear headed for the play offs, perhaps against that star studded Dumbarton line up. No doubting Hardie’s but it is his attitude that appears to be the problem and Ross did not have the time to work on it as he needed guys to do it for him right there and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Aye. Our own, far younger, players of Magennis, Morgan, McAllister and Mallan all started to improve under Ross by being given belief and game time. The loanees did not look like they gave a f**k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, St.Ricky said: Tony said: Quote After a difficult start, St Mirren eventually emerged from the relegation places and are now odds-on to return to the Premiership. Fuxake Tony get on message - there was never any doubt amongst true fans! KILL THE UNBELIEVERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastlandssaint Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/02/14/report-paul-harsley-emerges-as-front-runner-for-barnsley-manager/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 48 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Thats a real selective recollection Sonny, that run of defeats under Ross was dire, and despite what some believe if he hadnt arrested it the pressure on the board to do something would have seen him replaced. Also the facts surrounding players who moved on, you say two are at a higher level, is Hardie not just been loaned from Rangers to Livi, and scoring? is Shankland not scoring for fun at table toppers Ayr, have Walsh, Hutton and Carswell not blossomed in this league? yes all of them for one reason or another didnt click with us. But they are doing so very well for other managers, why is that? Honest to God, we really have some negs on here don't we....................... FKING 14 pts clear, and a debate on Jacks errors, well it took Fergie 3 years to click at United, Managers don't get it right on results from day one if the actual machine is broken There is more to being a manager than picking 11 men, giving them tactics and saying off u go...... Ross inherited a club that failed. Money, infrastructure, players, coaching even facilities were rank.................... the guy also did well at Alloa and maybe if he had been given more time he could have them challenging to get back into Championship. Lets not forget it was a shock Brechin beat them......................... Ayr showed their true level on Sat, IF they come up THEY will go straight back down......................... LPM you spend so much time on here talking down the team you allegedly support Change the Record- You're Boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, eastlandssaint said: http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/02/14/report-paul-harsley-emerges-as-front-runner-for-barnsley-manager/ It seems they're making it up as they go along, but I'm happy to see other names in the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Saint Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) Worst case scenario. Jack does a runner to Barnsley faster than Alex Rae can plummet saints to the bottom of the league. Argh!!! what about all the Jack Ross Cardigans we've bought. They'll be naff now. In Jack we trust. I think the cardigan wearing phase will last till next season at least Edited February 14, 2018 by East Lothian Saint Changing my Cardigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Thats a real selective recollection Sonny, that run of defeats under Ross was dire, and despite what some believe if he hadnt arrested it the pressure on the board to do something would have seen him replaced. Also the facts surrounding players who moved on, you say two are at a higher level, is Hardie not just been loaned from Rangers to Livi, and scoring? is Shankland not scoring for fun at table toppers Ayr, have Walsh, Hutton and Carswell not blossomed in this league? yes all of them for one reason or another didnt click with us. But they are doing so very well for other managers, why is that? Hardie, Shankland and Walsh clearly never had the attitude for a relegation battle. A clearout was necessary and clearing the decks of loan players proved to work. Hardie - Left us and got relegated with Raith. Followed by once again being loaned out this season to another team below us. From what I believe, sees himself as a big time charlie. Shankland - Done heehaw at Morton, dumped by Aberdeen followed by failed trials at clubs playing championship level. He has had to step backwards to get his career back on track. Do not doubt there is a player in there, though attitude is a big problem hence his step backwards. Walsh - A bit unfortunate, though we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, so possibly replaced for reasons we will never know. Released almost immediately by The Rangers after we sent him back. Carswell - Honking. Did very little in a Saints jersey, left for Iceland and now playing part-time. Hutton - Again honking, loaned out to Airdrie and from one of their supporters i know, asked if we could take him back as he was not cutting it at their level either. Now playing part-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Drew said: It seems they're making it up as they go along, but I'm happy to see other names in the frame. HITC making stuff up? Never! I'd trust flareybob over that site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 It seems they're making it up as they go along, but I'm happy to see other names in the frame. That’s more like it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43060628Seems like Jack Ross isn't first choice after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Nipper Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Aye. .....................The loanees did not look like they gave a f**k. They didn’t and that’s the growing problem. Unless you can get a manager that can motivate and/or a player that wants to prove a point and commit, then you Are onto plums. The more transient that players in their career become the harder it is to build a unit and get belief instilled. It’s so short term now and strangely enough I am speculating on the future St mirren manager and the next player set, rather than embracing the great season we are having. It’s so different nowadays. At least we’re not supporting a club that is paying wages like that of Pogba, Martial, Deli Ali , Ozil etc dahn south. That really is taking the utter piss. How do you genuinely motivate multi millionaires ?? They by and large just take the huff if they get verbals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintargyll Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, kevo_smfc said: Hardie, Shankland and Walsh clearly never had the attitude for a relegation battle. A clearout was necessary and clearing the decks of loan players proved to work. Hardie - Left us and got relegated with Raith. Followed by once again being loaned out this season to another team below us. From what I believe, sees himself as a big time charlie. Shankland - Done heehaw at Morton, dumped by Aberdeen followed by failed trials at clubs playing championship level. He has had to step backwards to get his career back on track. Do not doubt there is a player in there, though attitude is a big problem hence his step backwards. Walsh - A bit unfortunate, though we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, so possibly replaced for reasons we will never know. Released almost immediately by The Rangers after we sent him back. Carswell - Honking. Did very little in a Saints jersey, left for Iceland and now playing part-time. Hutton - Again honking, loaned out to Airdrie and from one of their supporters i know, asked if we could take him back as he was not cutting it at their level either. Now playing part-time. LOY "thought" he would move onto better things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Ronnie said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43060628 Seems like Jack Ross isn't first choice after all. Neither is Alex McLeish ..... however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Liam Smith is a player who should be held up as an example to other youngsters when it comes to making full use of loan spell. Great player with an excellent attitude. Anyway, 15 minutes have passed.... Who is the current front runner for the Barnsley job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Drew said: Anyway, 15 minutes have passed.... Who is the current front runner for the Barnsley job? They have had over 60 applicants , and have shortlisted to 59- Dannys CV had to many errors on it Next Update 15.35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, DougJamie said: They have had over 60 applicants , and have shortlisted to 59- Dannys CV had to many errors on it Next Update 15.35 Shortlist down to 58. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Whats funny is everyone agreeing with me that Hardie, Hutton, Walsh, Shankland etc didnt click with us, but refusing to anknowledge they have gone on to play either in this league or above, or indeed playing well at the top end of league one. but everyone to a man dodging the fact ( Re. sonny's post) that we were potentially a goal and a point away from the playoffs in Ross's first season. With that god awful, wading into the stands run of defeats. Whats wrong with simply acknowledging that? It actually makes the turnaround under Ross look more impressive if the fans follow the managers example of learning from his mistakes.... i love where we are now, the type of football we are playing, and the fact we will win this league and move upwards, but airbrushing out the things that almost cost us dearly is a fools game. You learn from your mistakes, you dont ignore them and risk repeating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Whats funny is everyone agreeing with me that Hardie, Hutton, Walsh, Shankland etc didnt click with us, but refusing to anknowledge they have gone on to play either in this league or above, or indeed playing well at the top end of league one. but everyone to a man dodging the fact ( Re. sonny's post) that we were potentially a goal and a point away from the playoffs in Ross's first season. With that god awful, wading into the stands run of defeats. Whats wrong with simply acknowledging that? It actually makes the turnaround under Ross look more impressive if the fans follow the managers example of learning from his mistakes.... i love where we are now, the type of football we are playing, and the fact we will win this league and move upwards, but airbrushing out the things that almost cost us dearly is a fools game. You learn from your mistakes, you dont ignore them and risk repeating them. 'Gigha's Peace' - it's the name of a house in Argyll - but I wish you would go there for a while until you come to your senses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 Glad the (mild) knickerwetting has ceased and LPM is trying to turn it into a jack Ross bad thread.Normal service has been resumed [emoji106] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Whats funny is everyone agreeing with me that Hardie, Hutton, Walsh, Shankland etc didnt click with us, but refusing to anknowledge they have gone on to play either in this league or above, or indeed playing well at the top end of league one. but everyone to a man dodging the fact ( Re. sonny's post) that we were potentially a goal and a point away from the playoffs in Ross's first season. With that god awful, wading into the stands run of defeats. Whats wrong with simply acknowledging that? It actually makes the turnaround under Ross look more impressive if the fans follow the managers example of learning from his mistakes.... i love where we are now, the type of football we are playing, and the fact we will win this league and move upwards, but airbrushing out the things that almost cost us dearly is a fools game. You learn from your mistakes, you dont ignore them and risk repeating them. Classic stuff. Brilliant how you try to turn your criticism of the manager into a positive, and the last sentence we'll what can you say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Shortlist down to 58. Fecking Hate this site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Classic stuff. Brilliant how you try to turn your criticism of the manager into a positive, and the last sentence we'll what can you say ! You see right there... there it is.. a completely fabricated take on my post responding to Sonny who seemed to be insisting Ross got off to a flyer with us. Should we just all tell each other everything's great? Just like we did when appointing Murray..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 14, 2018 Report Share Posted February 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, northstbuddie said: 'Gigha's Peace' - it's the name of a house in Argyll - but I wish you would go there for a while until you come to your senses! Fantastic response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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