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15 hours ago, saintnextlifetime said:

What you said was this : It's a more stressful world than the one we used to live in.  Noise, polution, peer pressure, media pressure, financial uncertainty, poor prospects, lack of certainty in housing-the list goes on.

Which is simply an unfounded statement , I then pointed out that during a time of national duress people survived not because they were told to "shut up and get on with it" but because they were working toward a common goal . You did not compare conditions people have lived you only made the sweeping statement above. .

 

I don't believe kids went down mines or up chimmeny's in the 40's , so another sweeping statement from you . .

 

Maybe they should do an objective study to see if what is in the newspapers helps big pharma' sell it's drugs . .maybe that is the so called "media pressure" you have yet to define. .

Chimmeny's (sic) and sweeping statements

You couldnae make it up.

 

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On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 8:29 PM, oaksoft said:

If you look at what is happening with children nowadays compared to when we were kids, the problem of depression becomes crystal clear as far as I can tell.

You will probably remember that we were left alone to get on with our education.

That is not true of vast swathes of kids who are routinely hot-housed and put under insane amounts of pressure by parents and teachers to get to University. Kids are being promised the Earth but are being sold a pup. Too many parents are trying to revive their own failed dreams through their children. Too many teachers are pressuring kids to boost their careers by getting more and more passes at exam time. Too many politicians are glued to useless PISA (?) statistics and see only numbers and not the human beings behind them.

Everything is about university but the harsh truth is that only about 20% of school leavers actually need to go there. There is an over focus on STEM subjects. That's great for me. I read advanced maths and physics books/papers in bed but not everyone shares my passion and those who don't, feel they are being sidelined as less important as others. What about those who want to become tradespeople or authors or film makers or artists, classical musicians, screen writers, or perhaps run their own business? During school years, these types of profession are not being talked about to the same extent as maths and science. An "everybody wins a prize" politically correct mentality in younger years leaves these people hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with the real world when it kicks them up the arse in their twenties. I reckon the school years just destroy the lives of young people.

Although I am pretty cynical about the motives of human beings, I do believe the majority of adults genuinely have their hearts in the right place but their brains are simply not engaged enough. People in charge need to take a step back and THINK about the catastrophic consequences of their actions.

I know from talking to young people that peer pressure surrounding political correctness is adding stress levels which we didn't have to worry about as kids. A lot of young people are shit scared to open their mouths and offer an opinion for fear of some twat calling them sexist, racist or whatever and ostracising them from society. They can't use the word "coloured" anymore because apparentlysome twat has arbitrarily decided that it's racist (no reason given as to why though) and are told to say "black" even if the kid they are referring to is actually brown skinned. Then they get hammered again because apparently someone has decided "black" is also racist and they should now use the phrase "African American" or such like, even if the person had never visited the place. It's a f**king nightmare. As adults we can tell people who try to control us in this way to f**k right off but young kids are terrified of being Unfriended by everyone they know.

And that leads to my final point. Social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc. The great f**king evils of our time. Kids are growing up surrounded by ridiculous expectations in terms of what they should look, like and what lives they should lead based on people deliberately posting only the polished highlights of their lives. Free porn also feeds them with utterly manufactured expectations of what a normal sex life is like.

Young people are incredibly vulnerable and impressionable. All of these pressures have been created and perpetuated by adults. We caused this. And in our arrogance and self absorption, we fail to understand the effect it has on the next generation.

The fabulous jobs they were promised if they went to University don't exist in sufficient numbers and so after years of study and massive debt, they are struggling to get jobs which didn't need a degree in the first place. The two generations before them have bought up all the housing stock, placing 5 million houses in Buy To Let. This causes an artificial house price bubble and also a rent bubble as these kids have no option but to rent for life from the same unscruplous f**kers who have greedily gobbled up the houses they should have bought. No wonder they hate us.

Now step back and imagine what it must be like to go through all of the above as a 13-18 year old. It's a horrific thought.

I was part of the so-called Generation X. This is Generation f**ked Up and they need help. Know what though? They don't need OUR help. We have done enough damage thank you very much. They'll work things out amongst themselves. We should back the hell off and leave them to it.

That is my impression of what is causing the problem from years of talking to kids themselves at the University and listening to what they tell me.

A well  thought out observation. The latter part of your post was highlighted by the recent EU referendum where it was swayed by the ill thought out objections of mainly the older in our society and it is the up and coming generation that will bear the brunt of any fallout. It may have been better if the approach about "backing the hell off and leaving them to it",  had been adopted at that juncture

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55 minutes ago, FTOF said:

A fair bit of it isn't.

Given the length of time it  took you to actually finish reading it, and the minimalistic critique in response, I'm not sure, in this instance,  your opinion should be valued.

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27 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

Given the length of time it  took you to actually finish reading it, and the minimalistic critique in response, I'm not sure, in this instance,  your opinion should be valued.

Fair enough.

Feel free to value the opinion of someone who has no day to day experience of modern day school education, over someone who actually converses with pupils every day and has done for the past 27 years.

In 27 years of teaching I have never forced any pupil into a level of education that they were not capable of, nor have I used the number of passes achieved to "boost my career".:lol

Such sweeping statements just make people appear ignorant.

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23 hours ago, FTOF said:

Fair enough.

Feel free to value the opinion of someone who has no day to day experience of modern day school education, over someone who actually converses with pupils every day and has done for the past 27 years.

In 27 years of teaching I have never forced any pupil into a level of education that they were not capable of, nor have I used the number of passes achieved to "boost my career".:lol

Such sweeping statements just make people appear ignorant.

You teach in a classroom of your own in isolation from other teachers.

You therefore haven't the slightest idea how other teachers actually go about their jobs.

Parents do though. Millions of us. And we talk. And we are FAR much more intelligent than you think we are about your profession. You are a teacher FFS, not a rocket scientist.

So do universities. When I worked in a university,  we could see at first hand the mental fragility of new students, the lack of either breadth or depth in their knowledge, their inability to display basic problem solving skills and their struggles with basic fractions and subsequently algebraic manipulation. Try talking to any of these students (and I must have spoken to hundreds of students) and they will tell you how pressurising the hothouse of school is. I have never heard a positive story about school from any student.

 

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34 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

You teach in a classroom of your own in isolation from other teachers.

You therefore haven't the slightest idea how other teachers actually go about their jobs.

Parents do though. Millions of us. And we talk. And we are FAR much more intelligent than you think we are about your profession. You are a teacher FFS, not a rocket scientist.

So do universities. When I worked in a university,  we could see at first hand the mental fragility of new students, the lack of either breadth or depth in their knowledge, their inability to display basic problem solving skills and their struggles with basic fractions and subsequently algebraic manipulation. Try talking to any of these students (and I must have spoken to hundreds of students) and they will tell you how pressurising the hothouse of school is. I have never heard a positive story about school from any student.

 

Probably one of the most condescending posts I have ever read on these forums and that's saying something. You have NEVER heard a positive story about school from ANY student. Total and utter over generalised bollocks.  Take your head out your own arse for two minutes and listen to yourself. Any pupil who has attained the grades required to go to Uni who then goes bleating to lecturers about how pressurised they felt in the "hothouse of school" is destined to struggle in further education and life in general. To suggest any such teenage angst is the fault of teachers is just laughable. 

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58 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

You teach in a classroom of your own in isolation from other teachers.

You therefore haven't the slightest idea how other teachers actually go about their jobs.

Parents do though. Millions of us. And we talk. And we are FAR much more intelligent than you think we are about your profession. You are a teacher FFS, not a rocket scientist.

So do universities. When I worked in a university,  we could see at first hand the mental fragility of new students, the lack of either breadth or depth in their knowledge, their inability to display basic problem solving skills and their struggles with basic fractions and subsequently algebraic manipulation. Try talking to any of these students (and I must have spoken to hundreds of students) and they will tell you how pressurising the hothouse of school is. I have never heard a positive story about school from any student.

 

This post is the latest in a series where you show your contempt for others about whom you know very little. You also seem to base your assessment of university students on only their ability to solve mathematical problems; hardly very scientific..

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56 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said:

Any pupil who has attained the grades required to go to Uni who then goes bleating to lecturers about how pressurised they felt in the "hothouse of school" is destined to struggle in further education and life in general.

Riiiiiiight. Because general life is just crammed with situations where you have to answer a set number of questions in a timed environment closed off from the ability to access the internet, books and other people for help and where the result of that situation is a black and white pass or fail. :lol:

Instead of displaying staggering levels of denial, you could simply try and be part of the much needed change in our education system.

 

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32 minutes ago, smcc said:

This post is the latest in a series where you show your contempt for others about whom you know very little. You also seem to base your assessment of university students on only their ability to solve mathematical problems; hardly very scientific..

For science and engineering degrees that it quite an important skill but NOWHERE did I state it was the only important thing. I have addressed several problems in this very thread. I guess it's easier to simply chuck an insult my way rather than critically evaluate my analysis. It's the modern way.

What a bizarre post you have made here.

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

For science and engineering degrees that it quite an important skill but NOWHERE did I state it was the only important thing. I have addressed several problems in this very thread. I guess it's easier to simply chuck an insult my way rather than critically evaluate my analysis. It's the modern way.

What a bizarre post you have made here.

Your previous post seemed to reference all students, but it appears that you were relying on your own narrow field of knowledge and experience. The bizarre post is yours. Nowhere did I insult you.

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Try talking to any of these students (and I must have spoken to hundreds of students) and they will tell you how pressurising the hothouse of school is. I have never heard a positive story about school from any student.


I'm a student.

My school dinners were brilliant.

You've now learned something new.

No thanks required and you can't repeat that statement again.

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24 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:


 

 


I'm a student.

My school dinners were brilliant.

You've now learned something new.

No thanks required and you can't repeat that statement again. emoji14.png

 

Yeah you put paid to me ever saying that again. :lol:

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2 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Why would you possibly have thought that?  :blink:

Because you did not specify which schoolchildren or which students you were referring to!

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