Punt or Keep - Summer 2018 edition

[St.Ricky]

2 hours ago, renfrew said:

Think I will wait till the games are finish to say what players I want out since I would want them all, either they are going or not to play the last games to the best of their ability.

My take on it as well Renfrew.

With the exception of the loan players returning to their parent clubs..Hearts, and Celtic. Good luck to them all in their future careers.

I am not nominating him but I expect that John Sutton will leave as his contract runs out and he seeks regular game time. He has been a great servant and a popular player who gives 100%. Best wishes if you do go big man.

[rabuddies]

I'm presuming we will honour the contracts offered last summer and in January and quite a few people want to punt players in this category.   I think the club are looking to increase the squad for next season given JR's recent interviews so perhaps the John McGinn money is a done deal (or a deal done in secret) and we can move quickly before the word is out?

[proudtobeabuddy]

I 100% trust Jack Ross's judgement when it comes to players coming and going, I've backed him since day 1 in the job and i think he'll bring in enough for us to do well next season. I'll enjoy the last 2 games and then perhaps take interest in next season's comings and goings, until then...

Edited April 19, 2018 by proudtobeabuddy

[zico]

Only where there are loan players...... Morgan, Smith, Hill.  And John Sutton who is out-of contract. 
Other than those...... No. 

So, basically most of the squad?

[emoji23]

[zico]

Now now, don’t let facts get in the way [emoji41]

Not sure why the OP wants to let Reilly go, but keep Mullen. Mullen maybe tougher, although he falls over with a gust of wind, but Reilly is far more intelligent with his over all game play.

Is it a ‘fact’ that Reilly has been carrying a knock?

Why did he play in a meaningless match on Tues if this was the case?

[BuddieinEK]

Is it a ‘fact’ that Reilly has been carrying a knock?

Why did he play in a meaningless match on Tues if this was the case?

To help return to match fitness having just recovered from a knock? Would make sense.

[St.Ricky]

1 minute ago, zico said:

 

So, basically most of the squad?


 

 

Zico. I know the 3 loan players will be going to their parent clubs.  Good luck to them all. I feel that John Sutton will opt to go at the end of his contract to prolong his playing career.  Those already contracted to the end of next season will stay. 

The club and those players out of contract at the end of this season have decisions to make. It's no longer all in the club's hands due to freedom of contract. Like everyone else I have my favourites but feel  it's best to wait till our games have completed before suggesting particular players that I feel might be resigned or released. JR knows what he is doing. 

[lenziebud]

1 hour ago, zico said:

 

Is it a ‘fact’ that Reilly has been carrying a knock?

Why did he play in a meaningless match on Tues if this was the case?

 

Jack Ross's way of walking circles round certain fans. McShane, Baird, Reilly all dropped for better players

[cardeebuds]

12 hours ago, TopCat said:

 

 

 

Obviously a hugely important transfer window coming up for the club. With us losing our best player and moving up a division I’m sure we agree that there needs to be a lot of inward activity should we want to be competitive in the premier league. But who in our current squad should we keep?

 

Samson - Keep. One of my players of the year. The paisley panther, the ginger ninja, the legend that is Craig Samson. Expect and hope he will continue as first choice next year.

 

Ross Stewart (GK) - Punt. I think we need a new goalie in the summer. Someone with experience who’s capable of pushing Sammy for the number 1 jersey. Young Ross is clearly nowhere near the first team so unless he wants to stay on as third choice he should be punted.

 

Gary Irvine - Punt. Forgot he was still here until the other night. After that performance it’s no wonder he struggles to get on the bench most weeks.

 

Liam Smith - Keep. Obviously won’t be our decision, but I’ve been really impressed with Liam this year. Listening to Hearts fans they seem keen to have him back as right back has apparently been a bit of an issue for them. However we should be certainly asking them if we could either extend the loan or sign him on a permanent basis.

 

Harry Davis - Keep. No doubt about that. Only issue with Harry is that he’s had several bad injuries over the last few years. If he can keep himself fit I’ve no doubt he’ll be a solid performer at Premier League level.

 

Gary McKenzie - Keep - Similar to Harry in many ways. Clearly he is good enough for the Premiership, the question mark is over his fitness.

 

Jack Baird - Keep. Given the injury problems of our two first choice centre halves Jack has played a lot of football this year. He’s been excellent, that performance at Dunfermline where he scored the winner and made several game saving blocks will live long in the memory. Suspect he will play a big part next year too.

 

Massimo Donati - Punt. He looked all of his 37 years against Falkirk, no way he could cope in the Premier League. Not sure if he will be kept on in a coaching capacity but he’s certainly got nothing to offer us in playing terms.

 

Adam Eckersley - Punt. Tough one but Adam looks like his legs have went. Often felt that full back is a young mans position with the amount of running that’s required. Adam just can’t get up and down the line effectively and this will be even more exposed at Premier League level. He’s 33 this year so I think his time with us up.

 

Stelios - Punt. Easy one. Not sure if Stelios is even a Championship player, he’s certainly not a Premier League one. His performance against Aberdeen was a horror show. Was at fault for a goal against Falkirk. Expect he will sign for Dumbarton or Ayr.

 

Ian McShane - Punt. He’s struggling to get in the team in the Championship. Flynn has been a significant upgrade and I don’t think McShane is Premier League standard.

 

Ryan Flynn - Keep. Think he’s been good since he came. Plenty of experience at a good level. Expect he will be a big player for us next year.

 

Stephen McGinn - Keep. Not entirely convinced McGinn is up to it at Premier League level. He was terrible against Thistle and Aberdeen and even last week at Tannadice he struggled badly. I can’t see him being a regular starter but I do think there’s a place for him in the squad.

 

Mark Hill - Punt. Looked out of shape against Falkirk. And rubbish.

 

Cammy Smith - Keep. Cammy clearly has a bit of quality about him. He’s one of a very few players we have who I think will make the step up to the Premier League seamlessly and be a regular starter next year.

 

Lewis Morgan - Keep. We should be going to Celtic with the begging bowl asking if we can extend his loan for another season. Or till January at least. That would be signing of the summer if we pulled that off. Doubt we will, but we can but dream.

 

Kyle Magennis - Keep. Kyle’s obviously completely unproven at a level higher than The Championship, but he’s certainly earned the chance to go there with us. As with many of our players, he’s going to need to step up his performances a level if he’s going to have an impact in the Premier League.

 

Jordan Kirkpatrick - Punt. Another one to add to the long list of part time players we’ve signed who’ve not been good enough for full time football. Wasn’t surprised to see him shipped out in January and surely we won’t see him again.

 

Ross Stewart (st) - Punt. See above.

 

Nathan Flanagan - Punt. This promising youngster is the same age as Lewis Morgan . Doesn’t appear to have done much at Elgin so it’s puntsville for him.

 

Miles Hippolyte - Punt. He’s never been a Premier League player and he never will be. Thought scoring the penalty aside he was rubbish against Falkirk.

 

Josh Todd - Been here a long time now and he’s never managed to hold down a place. Not done enough to get a new deal.

 

Danny Mullen - Keep. Not been entirely convinced by Danny since he’s came in, but I do think he’s been an upgrade on Reilly. And so does Ross clearly as Gavin’s been punted out the side to accommodate him. 2 goals in 12 games for a striker in a team top of the league isn’t exactly setting the heather alight though. That will certainly need to improve if he’s going to be anything more than a bit part player next year.

 

John Sutton - Punt. Obvious punt, best of luck to a fantastic servant and can see him doing a job for Dumbarton/Ayr next year.

 

Daryl Duffy - Punt. What a strange signing. Did he ever actually play a minute of football for us?

 

Gavin Reilly - Punt. Probably the most controversial of choices, but I just can’t see Reilly doing it in the Premier League. His goal return has been good this season, but if you look at who the majority of his goals have came against it’s no surprise that Jack signed Danny Mullen and stuck Gav on the bench. I would hope we sign at least 2 proven Premier League standard goal scorers in the summer. The fact is that Reilly can’t get a start just now, I can’t see how he’s going to be of any use among a stronger pool of strikers next season.

 

 

Oh and Ross and Fowler - Keep. Done a fantastic job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read as far as Adam Eckersley and stiopped. What a load of shite!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hambud]

Looking at the posts on here, thank f**k it's Jack Ross that's making the signing decisions.[emoji38]

Yup.

[Bud the Baker]

I'd keep all of our regular starting 11 from recent weeks but I accept well lose Morgan and most likely Liam Smith. 9

Wasn't there for the Falkirk game but going by reports none of the fringe players enhanced their cases for inclusion next season I'd keep Hippolyte, McShane, Reily & substitute keeper Stewart. 4

As for the first team players loaned out like Todd & Kirkpatrick & Stewart if they can't force their way into the team while we're in the Championship can you expect them to do so in the top flight 0

That's 13 players so all JR as to do is find another 8/9 top flight players without breaking the budget.

 

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by Bud the Baker

[aldo_j]

No new contract for Cardeebuds.

[Cornwall_Saint]

11 hours ago, lenziebud said:

Jack Ross's way of walking circles round certain fans. McShane, Baird, Reilly all dropped for better players

I know I'm not one who can attend games often so watching Saints is limited to tv and highlights, but I cannot understand how people rate Mullen higher than Reilly. Gavin is the first striker since the 90s to score 20+ goals for Saints, Mullen has been with us since November and scored twice. What does Mullen add that Reilly doesn't? What are those who can attend games seeing that I can't?

[Hambud]

I know I'm not one who can attend games often so watching Saints is limited to tv and highlights, but I cannot understand how people rate Mullen higher than Reilly. Gavin is the first striker since the 90s to score 20+ goals for Saints, Mullen has been with us since November and scored twice. What does Mullen add that Reilly doesn't? What are those who can attend games seeing that I can't?

I don't think a lot of people do.

[magnus]

8 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I know I'm not one who can attend games often so watching Saints is limited to tv and highlights, but I cannot understand how people rate Mullen higher than Reilly. Gavin is the first striker since the 90s to score 20+ goals for Saints, Mullen has been with us since November and scored twice. What does Mullen add that Reilly doesn't? What are those who can attend games seeing that I can't?

Hopefully it's not either Reilly or Mullen. We have two high energy centre forwards that can score goals and make it difficult for opposing teams to play it out from the back. 

[Jack the lad]

OP must have had a lot of spare time on their hands and been bored, attention seeking little tyke!

[Sweeper07]

4 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I know I'm not one who can attend games often so watching Saints is limited to tv and highlights, but I cannot understand how people rate Mullen higher than Reilly. Gavin is the first striker since the 90s to score 20+ goals for Saints, Mullen has been with us since November and scored twice. What does Mullen add that Reilly doesn't? What are those who can attend games seeing that I can't?

There are a number of differences - Mullen really puts himself about more and wins more fouls, penalties ( I think Mullen has won 3 in only a few games) etc. etc.

But some of the main differences are Reilly has been in the Premiership before and did nothing (He also struggled at Dunfermline) and is heading into his 30's - and does he have an injury problem or is that a smokescreen as he has signed a PCA elsewhere?. Mullen is much younger and improving as he is now getting games with us - I think his best is yet to come - but time will tell... Their strike rates have been chatted about in the forum previously... there is not such a great a difference as you might think. (11 of Reilly's goals were against mainly weaker teams in the cups - and Mullen scored a number of goals with Livi before joining us). I suspect Mullen's contract will pay much less than Reilly will want too... (Budget juggles are always an important consideration)

If St. Mirren want to do well next season a much better 1st choice striker than either of them is needed with Mullen (or possibly Reilly) playing alongside or as another option - perhaps in tough games let Mullen harass the defence for 50 minutes before bringing on our new lethal striker for the last 40 - and he will net a number of braces and singles - then we will all be happy (well nearly all). We need someone who can hit over 15 goals in the Premiership - that is a big step up from the 2nd tier... not easy to find either with our budget constraints in comparison to other Premiership teams.

I know others think Reilly is a super star - he has done very well for us this season - no doubt about that - but I think any half decent striker could have scored a dozen league goals with St. Mirren this season - we are top scorers in the league after all.

 

[foxbar_bud]

40 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:

There are a number of differences - Mullen really puts himself about more and wins more fouls, penalties ( I think Mullen has won 3 in only a few games) etc. etc.

But some of the main differences are Reilly has been in the Premiership before and did nothing (He also struggled at Dunfermline) and is heading into his 30's - and does he have an injury problem or is that a smokescreen as he has signed a PCA elsewhere?. Mullen is much younger and improving as he is now getting games with us - I think his best is yet to come - but time will tell... Their strike rates have been chatted about in the forum previously... there is not such a great a difference as you might think. (11 of Reilly's goals were against mainly weaker teams in the cups - and Mullen scored a number of goals with Livi before joining us). I suspect Mullen's contract will pay much less than Reilly will want too... (Budget juggles are always an important consideration)

If St. Mirren want to do well next season a much better 1st choice striker than either of them is needed with Mullen (or possibly Reilly) playing alongside or as another option - perhaps in tough games let Mullen harass the defence for 50 minutes before bringing on our new lethal striker for the last 40 - and he will net a number of braces and singles - then we will all be happy (well nearly all). We need someone who can hit over 15 goals in the Premiership - that is a big step up from the 2nd tier... not easy to find either with our budget constraints in comparison to other Premiership teams.

I know others think Reilly is a super star - he has done very well for us this season - no doubt about that - but I think any half decent striker could have scored a dozen league goals with St. Mirren this season - we are top scorers in the league after all.

 

Gavin Reilly is 24.....25 next month if you want to be pedantic

Danny Mullen is 23

I like both, and think its wrong to try and downplay Reillys achievements this year. Both have done well for us this year in different ways.

criticising Reilly with things like mentioning the 11 goals scored against lower league teams as well as talking rubbish regarding the age of both players is frankly a piss poor attempt at down playing the superb job Reilly has done for us this year

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by foxbar_bud

[Isle Of Bute Saint]

48 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:

There are a number of differences - Mullen really puts himself about more and wins more fouls, penalties ( I think Mullen has won 3 in only a few games) etc. etc.

But some of the main differences are Reilly has been in the Premiership before and did nothing (He also struggled at Dunfermline) and is heading into his 30's - and does he have an injury problem or is that a smokescreen as he has signed a PCA elsewhere?. Mullen is much younger and improving as he is now getting games with us - I think his best is yet to come - but time will tell... Their strike rates have been chatted about in the forum previously... there is not such a great a difference as you might think. (11 of Reilly's goals were against mainly weaker teams in the cups - and Mullen scored a number of goals with Livi before joining us). I suspect Mullen's contract will pay much less than Reilly will want too... (Budget juggles are always an important consideration)

If St. Mirren want to do well next season a much better 1st choice striker than either of them is needed with Mullen (or possibly Reilly) playing alongside or as another option - perhaps in tough games let Mullen harass the defence for 50 minutes before bringing on our new lethal striker for the last 40 - and he will net a number of braces and singles - then we will all be happy (well nearly all). We need someone who can hit over 15 goals in the Premiership - that is a big step up from the 2nd tier... not easy to find either with our budget constraints in comparison to other Premiership teams.

I know others think Reilly is a super star - he has done very well for us this season - no doubt about that - but I think any half decent striker could have scored a dozen league goals with St. Mirren this season - we are top scorers in the league after all.

 

Agree with you thing is you don't get the space or time in the premiership as you do in the championship. 

[MenstrieSaint]

I actually think Mullan and Reilly would play well together , both have a high work rate and along with Smith would ensure most defences are kept busy . I think next season we will be a hard working team , and our front players will have to run their socks off , so ideally I would keep them both , but also look to add someone with a bit of height pace and muscle into the attack.

[Sweeper07]

48 minutes ago, foxbar_bud said:

Gavin Reilly is 24.....25 next month if you want to be pedantic   OOPS my mistake, I thought he was turning 30

Danny Mullen is 23

I like both, and think its wrong to try and downplay Reillys achievements this year. Both have done well for us this year in different ways.

criticising Reilly with things like mentioning the 11 goals scored against lower league teams as well as talking rubbish regarding the age of both players is frankly a piss poor attempt at down playing the superb job Reilly has done for us this year

 

Thanks for highlighting my mistake - I genuinely believed that he was nearer 30 and I should have checked...   I am not trying to downplay Reilly's achievements this year - I said that 11 of Reilly's goals were against mainly weaker teams in the cups and that is a fact which was listed on other threads about Reilly when he was being compared to Mullen..

About  this being an attempt to down play what Reilly did for us this season - you were obviously so enraged that I think you did not read this : I quote directly "he has done very well for us this season - no doubt about that - "

What I am saying is that scoring a dozen league goals in the Championship hardly equates to scoring 15 plus League goals in the Premiership - they are a league apart and a higher total.

Overall I don't think there is that much between Reilly or Mullen - but there are differences - Mullen is signed, if Reilly signs I won't be upset in the slightest - but either way - we need at least 1 or perhaps 2 new strikers who are better than both (Mullen and Reilly) with either one or both behind the new guy (s)  in the pecking order.

Only my opinion - but let's see what J & J do in the transfer market and whether Reilly signs for us or not?

[Sweeper07]

47 minutes ago, MenstrieSaint said:

I actually think Mullen and Reilly would play well together , both have a high work rate and along with Smith would ensure most defences are kept busy . I think next season we will be a hard working team , and our front players will have to run their socks off , so ideally I would keep them both , but also look to add someone with a bit of height pace and muscle into the attack.

I like your thinking - Reilly Mullen and a tall, fast, strong super striker playing between them, and with Smith feeding off them - wonder if J & J will go for this attacking line up...

[David Mc]

Tbh I think was probably pretty much the plan at the last window along with Morgan but we didn’t succeed in getting a big striker in.

[djchapsticks]

7 minutes ago, David Mc said:

Tbh I think was probably pretty much the plan at the last window along with Morgan but we didn’t succeed in getting a big striker in.

Yeah. Think it's relatively well known now that Robbie Muirhead was our first choice forward in January and would have fit that big mobile forward role perfectly. 

For whatever reason though, it didn't work out though and he stayed put. 

[David Mc]

Erwin at Killie was quoted too at one point. With either in think we’d have won the league even earlier.