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21 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

Not convinced that McInnes is actually good enough to manage the clubs you have listed in terms of winning the English Championship or getting to EPL ? 

With the finances at Aberdeen I would say he is doing the job expected of him and nothing more. 

He’s definitely doing the job expected of him, but I imagine even Dons fans are surprised at just how consistent they’ve been up there. Hearts and Hibs have more money than the rest of us too, but both found themselves relegated in recent years, and neither side are convincing me they’ll be challenging for third.

If it’s about meeting expectations, then there’s no reason he couldn’t take a decent Championship side into the EPL. The only question is how many times the side would then get pumped in the top flight before he was sacked.

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He’s definitely doing the job expected of him, but I imagine even Dons fans are surprised at just how consistent they’ve been up there. Hearts and Hibs have more money than the rest of us too, but both found themselves relegated in recent years, and neither side are convincing me they’ll be challenging for third.
If it’s about meeting expectations, then there’s no reason he couldn’t take a decent Championship side into the EPL. The only question is how many times the side would then get pumped in the top flight before he was sacked.
Wasn't that long before his tenure that the Dons were actually in danger of relegation!

He has brought a remarkable consistency to the club.

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52 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Wasn't that long before his tenure that the Dons were actually in danger of relegation!

He has brought a remarkable consistency to the club.

They’ve been through very tough times since their glory days in the 80s. Saved by relegation through league re-construction, finally looked decent under Calderwood with regular Top 6 finishes and to date, still the last non-bigot side to make a European group stage (and secure a draw against Bayern in the knockouts at home). Their most frustrating feature under Jimmy was the constant cup upsets to lower league sides, but upon that removal they went to pot again, especially with that fud McGhee. It really does make the consistency McInnes has achieved impressive. 

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They’ve been through very tough times since their glory days in the 80s. Saved by relegation through league re-construction, finally looked decent under Calderwood with regular Top 6 finishes and to date, still the last non-bigot side to make a European group stage (and secure a draw against Bayern in the knockouts at home). Their most frustrating feature under Jimmy was the constant cup upsets to lower league sides, but upon that removal they went to pot again, especially with that fud McGhee. It really does make the consistency McInnes has achieved impressive. 
Again, I concur.

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3 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.

He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.

Total mince

like any other manager he is pissing into the bigots wind when it comes to resource 

a very good manager of a limited club 

the old firm got him just like they get everyone 

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6 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. 

He's got plenty results against them both over the last few years. Its taken him a long time to master that though.

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The bottom line is McInnes could learn how to walk on water and perhaps even make water into wine but our league is so f**king bent that they will still finish third. I don’t feel sorry for them though because they (Aberdeen) had the chance to fix the corruption of our voting system but opted for the status quo................so f**k them and their ex Morton manager

 

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McInnes like many in Scotland's top league is good at grinding out results over a season but not so good when his team is expected to take the initiative.
Probably also the reason why no bigger clubs are batter down St. Johnstone's door for their manager.

Back on topic, the upcoming international break could be interesting for Jack Ross.

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On 8/10/2019 at 10:42 PM, lenziebud said:

Jack Ross is  a mile away from the sack at Sunderland.  The season has just started and a decent result at Ipswich today. League One is a tough league to get out of for any club.

Having said that I was amazed that Sunderland gave him the job given his experience was League One and Championship in Scotland. Many solid managers in England with a deep knowledge of the English game should have got that job IMO.

 

Quite a short mile that was then eh mate ha ha

He got lucky, a gamble by Sunderland after a very short term of success in a poor league.

No hard feelings for him, he'll have made a fortune.

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6 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Sunderland has been a basket case of a club for years now. Ross will have made a lot of money. Can see him poping up in the championship before getting the bigger deal. Might even go assistant till he gets a gig. 

The sevco fans won't like that.

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Just now, HSS said:

Jack's mistake was leaving us a year early.Gutted for him but he'll go on to be a big success.Surprised at Fowler hanging about to be caretaker.

It's more than unlikely he would have got this gig, or anything close to it, a year later as he'd have been another manager struggling with a provincial club.

He had reached a very high position in the media, never to be seen again probably for a manager of a team in the lower league.

I'm not so sure he'll go on to be a big success, maybe in the lower leagues but we'll see. 

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I think he will end up at the sheep
Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen will all most likely have a new manager in next 12 months guaranteed Jack Ross will end up at one of them.

Hearts is my guess seeing as he has been there before.

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3 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen will all most likely have a new manager in next 12 months guaranteed Jack Ross will end up at one of them.

Hearts is my guess seeing as he has been there before.

I'd be surprised.

Had success in the 2nd top division in Scotland, failed at Sunderland, not exactly a hot property as I see it.

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25 minutes ago, Long John Baldy said:

I'd be surprised.

Had success in the 2nd top division in Scotland, failed at Sunderland, not exactly a hot property as I see it.

See Derek McInnes. He was a success at St. Johnstone in 2nd tier, shite at Bristol City and still got Aberdeen gig. 

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