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he is getting it tight from the makems
they want him out...after only 2 draws in the first 2 games 
I'm friends with a Sunderland fan who initially was willing to give him to Christmas but now wants him out!

With that attitude... I hope they get exactly what they deserve.

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Honestly starting to see JR as a Derek mcinnes, smart manager in Scotland but absolutely out his depth down south.
Really wanted him to do well, but wouldn’t lose sleep if he lost his job either.
Wrong club at the wrong time for McInnes, who is a top manager and could very well cut it at the top level down South.

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10 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:
14 minutes ago, mattman said:
Honestly starting to see JR as a Derek mcinnes, smart manager in Scotland but absolutely out his depth down south.
Really wanted him to do well, but wouldn’t lose sleep if he lost his job either.

Wrong club at the wrong time for McInnes, who is a top manager and could very well cut it at the top level down South.

Could say the same for jack though...

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30 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Wrong club at the wrong time for McInnes, who is a top manager and could very well cut it at the top level down South.

I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.

He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.

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44 minutes ago, mattman said:

Could say the same for jack though...

Jack Ross is  a mile away from the sack at Sunderland.  The season has just started and a decent result at Ipswich today. League One is a tough league to get out of for any club.

Having said that I was amazed that Sunderland gave him the job given his experience was League One and Championship in Scotland. Many solid managers in England with a deep knowledge of the English game should have got that job IMO.

 

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23 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.

He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.

Not convinced that McInnes is actually good enough to manage the clubs you have listed in terms of winning the English Championship or getting to EPL ? 

With the finances at Aberdeen I would say he is doing the job expected of him and nothing more. 

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I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.
He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.
However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.
A very good post. Thank you.

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I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.
He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.
However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.
Spot on.

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21 minutes ago, lenziebud said:

Not convinced that McInnes is actually good enough to manage the clubs you have listed in terms of winning the English Championship or getting to EPL ? 

With the finances at Aberdeen I would say he is doing the job expected of him and nothing more. 

He’s definitely doing the job expected of him, but I imagine even Dons fans are surprised at just how consistent they’ve been up there. Hearts and Hibs have more money than the rest of us too, but both found themselves relegated in recent years, and neither side are convincing me they’ll be challenging for third.

If it’s about meeting expectations, then there’s no reason he couldn’t take a decent Championship side into the EPL. The only question is how many times the side would then get pumped in the top flight before he was sacked.

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He’s definitely doing the job expected of him, but I imagine even Dons fans are surprised at just how consistent they’ve been up there. Hearts and Hibs have more money than the rest of us too, but both found themselves relegated in recent years, and neither side are convincing me they’ll be challenging for third.
If it’s about meeting expectations, then there’s no reason he couldn’t take a decent Championship side into the EPL. The only question is how many times the side would then get pumped in the top flight before he was sacked.
Wasn't that long before his tenure that the Dons were actually in danger of relegation!

He has brought a remarkable consistency to the club.

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52 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Wasn't that long before his tenure that the Dons were actually in danger of relegation!

He has brought a remarkable consistency to the club.

They’ve been through very tough times since their glory days in the 80s. Saved by relegation through league re-construction, finally looked decent under Calderwood with regular Top 6 finishes and to date, still the last non-bigot side to make a European group stage (and secure a draw against Bayern in the knockouts at home). Their most frustrating feature under Jimmy was the constant cup upsets to lower league sides, but upon that removal they went to pot again, especially with that fud McGhee. It really does make the consistency McInnes has achieved impressive. 

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They’ve been through very tough times since their glory days in the 80s. Saved by relegation through league re-construction, finally looked decent under Calderwood with regular Top 6 finishes and to date, still the last non-bigot side to make a European group stage (and secure a draw against Bayern in the knockouts at home). Their most frustrating feature under Jimmy was the constant cup upsets to lower league sides, but upon that removal they went to pot again, especially with that fud McGhee. It really does make the consistency McInnes has achieved impressive. 
Again, I concur.

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3 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

I do agree Bristol City was not the right move at the right time for McInnes.

He has done an incredible job of cementing Aberdeen’s place as Scotland’s best non-bigot club (granted Killie did edge them on goal difference last season). He’s done a great job of giving Dons fans regular European football, with a fair few wins and not suffering the embarrassing results we’ve seen from Hearts, Hibs, Killie and Sevco.

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. But too often they get defeated, sometimes battered. He’s the sort of manager who could well take a club like West Brom, Middlesbrough or Swansea back to the EPL, but be out of a job within weeks due to his inability to grind out results against the better teams. It’s either down to tactical naivety, a lack of belief/motivation, or both. The Dons have been lucky to keep him for this long, and the consistency is outstanding, but they just can’t seem to grind out the results against the bigots the way that Killie did when Clarke turned Rugby Park into a fortress, and the way even the highly inconsistent Hibees are often problematic for the bigots too.

Total mince

like any other manager he is pissing into the bigots wind when it comes to resource 

a very good manager of a limited club 

the old firm got him just like they get everyone 

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6 hours ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

However, he never seems to be able to take on bigger clubs. You’d think playing Celtic and Sevco 8 times minimum, year after year, he’d have an idea of how to get some solid results against them. 

He's got plenty results against them both over the last few years. Its taken him a long time to master that though.

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The bottom line is McInnes could learn how to walk on water and perhaps even make water into wine but our league is so f**king bent that they will still finish third. I don’t feel sorry for them though because they (Aberdeen) had the chance to fix the corruption of our voting system but opted for the status quo................so f**k them and their ex Morton manager

 

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