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Best St Mirren manager since Fergie and he'll go on to prove it. I'll always be grateful to Jack for what he did for St Mirren. We could have ended up at least a decade in the lower leagues, almost the third tier! Sunderland were too impatient, he would have came good but it's their loss.

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The bad feeling over his departure from us was down to the deal being agreed before St Mirren knew anything about Jack's deal with Sunderland. We had given him permission to speak with Barnsley and Ipswich.  Jack publicly was saying he was looking forward to a season in the premiership with St Mirren and we weren't going into the season just to make up the numbers or only avoid relegation while privately he was applying for other jobs without telling the club what he was up to - he couldn't wait to leave!

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As I said on the Saints fans Facebook page...

Best Saints manager since Fergie.
Achieved just as much in a shorter time!

His departure wasn't much different from that of Sir Alex, who is still worshipped!

Going to Sunderland was a no brainer.

They have only lost seven league games since he went there.

Man City have lost six in the same time period.

Draws cost him.

Expectations by the Makems are unrealistic.

Put two premiership sides out the cup.

A few points off automatic promotion this early in the season even after a poor start!

He would have turned that around.

Those being smug about this are being petty and forgetting how much he did for us.
Suspect he might have survived (at least a bit longer) if they hadn't list to Lincoln at weekend.
The stat of only losing 7 games is balanced out by a win rate of 50% which is low for a team with Sunderland budget in that league.

Think his stock might be a bit lower for a wee while than some on here think.

Could be argued that it all went wrong when he recruited John Potter

Appreciate everything he done in his short time with us. Didnt want him to fail unlike a few other St. Mirren fans.

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The bad feeling over his departure from us was down to the deal being agreed before St Mirren knew anything about Jack's deal with Sunderland. We had given him permission to speak with Barnsley and Ipswich.  Jack publicly was saying he was looking forward to a season in the premiership with St Mirren and we weren't going into the season just to make up the numbers or only avoid relegation while privately he was applying for other jobs without telling the club what he was up to - he couldn't wait to leave!
But that's almost exactly what Fergie did with Aberdeen except our Chairman got wind and fired him.

Why is one revered, the other vilified?

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2 hours ago, BuddieinEK said:

But that's almost exactly what Fergie did with Aberdeen except our Chairman got wind and fired him.

Why is one revered, the other vilified?

Fergie left a decent team behind him at Love Street, decent scouts and had signed young players to the club who went on to represent Scotland (at a time when we qualified for World Cups!). Fergie moved to Aberdeen and won the cups, league title and European trophies, managed Scotland and oversaw the most successful period in Manchester United's history.

Fergie was with us for just under 4 years - twice as long as Jack Ross and he stayed around to manage us back in the premier division (having knocked back Aberdeen in 1977).

Jack Ross cut short Shankland's loan, sold Jason Naismith, sold Kyle McAllister, sold Stevie Mallan, sold Lewis Morgan and left us with signings like Myles Hippolyte for a tilt at the premiership which he didn't intend to hang around for. Jack Ross also signed close to 40 players in 3 transfer windows and blew all the transfer fees received on dozens of players we didn't need.  We had 2 exciting seasons when he was around for his 20 months or so but to almost get relegated from the Championship when he inherited a team with Mallan, Morgan, Naismith, MacKenzie, Shankland, McAllister, Magennis etc was some achievement!

Who did Jack Ross leave behind at the club who he'd signed or developed (rather than players inherited from previous managers, or former academy players like the McGinns?)

Barely a few months went by without Jack being linked with other clubs... Dundee, Barnsley and Ipswich were all spoken with during his short tenure with us (that we know about).  Jack had no intention of staying around to manage us in the premiership.

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His tenure with us will live long in the memories- from the final day draw away to Hibs,  to clinching promotion the following season against Livi. 

Any Saints fan that's pleased about his sacking have very short memories.

 

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Just before I pop off to bed, the uproar about Ross. ha

He certainly doesn't deserve any supporters enjoying this decision or other nonsense, had a quick look at Facebook, from people who really should be in care.

He also doesn't deserve any sobbing as he made the decision to leave St Mirren.

Me, thanks Ross, enjoy your wee break in the sunshine, you'll have plenty cash to ease the pain. 

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2 minutes ago, Long John Baldy said:

Just before I pop off to bed, the uproar about Ross. ha

He certainly doesn't deserve any supporters enjoying this decision or other nonsense, had a quick look at Facebook, from people who really should be in care.

He also doesn't deserve any sobbing as he made the decision to leave St Mirren.

Me, thanks Ross, enjoy your wee break in the sunshine, you'll have plenty cash to ease the pain. 

And in a wee while,  he'll get another job that his record deserves.  

Good manager at a rotten club (Sunderland).

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8 hours ago, John Gotti said:

I’m sure Jack and probably Fowler will be ok but I wonder if Potter and Samson will have made enough to make it worth their time?
 

I'm quite sure the 4 of them will move on to another job as a Team.

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2 hours ago, HSS said:

I'm quite sure the 4 of them will move on to another job as a Team.

I don't think Scottish clubs generally move the goalie coach out the door when there is a change of manager, do they?

Don't think Sammy or Potter will be guaranteed a place wherever JR goes next.

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30 minutes ago, Kemp said:

I don't think Scottish clubs generally move the goalie coach out the door when there is a change of manager, do they?

Don't think Sammy or Potter will be guaranteed a place wherever JR goes next.

Potter's wife still works at the same legal practice in Dunfermline as she has for at least 15 years, so I'd imagine JP has been a wee bit cagey about committing to a new career in the English game.

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12 hours ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

 

Jack Ross cut short Shankland's loan, sold Jason Naismith, sold Kyle McAllister, sold Stevie Mallan, sold Lewis Morgan and left us with signings like Myles Hippolyte for a tilt at the premiership which he didn't intend to hang around for.

Can't believe you are joining the forum troll in coming out with this tripe.

The team JR took over, despite the undoubted talent, was headed for League 1 with Alex Rae. They couldn't string two passes together with Rae in charge and had utter dross like Carswell and Hutton disgracing the stripes. You are talking about Shankland, McAllister and Morgan as if it were the 2019 versions playing back then. It was Jack Ross's coaching and tactics that helped Lewis Morgan and Cammy Smith develop in to the most dangerous players in the league that season.

Jack Ross was a great manager for us who moved on to a much bigger job that anyone in his position would have taken. Don't be so bitter and be thankful for what he did!

Edited by Kemp

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15 hours ago, BuddieinEK said:

But that's almost exactly what Fergie did with Aberdeen except our Chairman got wind and fired him.

Why is one revered, the other vilified?

Fergie did win consecutive promotions and did leave us in a better state than JR did. But let's be honest we were doing a Falkirk when he came on board and we were transformed back into the top league instead of level 3.

Not sure why JR did not get more wins and so many daft draws - he had a big budget and over the summer a chance to improve on last year - but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes, in the dressing room etc.

Someone else mentioned he could well become the next Hearts manager and I would not be surprised about that !

1 hour ago, munoz said:

Supposedly Fowler is the interim manager. Was it just Ross that got the bullet?

Yes Fowler is in temporary charge of the team, but will likely get sacked when the new management team are brought in...

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2 hours ago, Sweeper07 said:

Fergie did win consecutive promotions and did leave us in a better state than JR did. But let's be honest we were doing a Falkirk when he came on board and we were transformed back into the top league instead of level 3.

I was under the impression we had never been in the third tier of Scottish football 🤨

15 hours ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Fergie left a decent team behind him at Love Street, decent scouts and had signed young players to the club who went on to represent Scotland (at a time when we qualified for World Cups!). Fergie moved to Aberdeen and won the cups, league title and European trophies, managed Scotland and oversaw the most successful period in Manchester United's history.

Fergie was with us for just under 4 years - twice as long as Jack Ross and he stayed around to manage us back in the premier division (having knocked back Aberdeen in 1977).

Jack Ross cut short Shankland's loan, sold Jason Naismith, sold Kyle McAllister, sold Stevie Mallan, sold Lewis Morgan and left us with signings like Myles Hippolyte for a tilt at the premiership which he didn't intend to hang around for. Jack Ross also signed close to 40 players in 3 transfer windows and blew all the transfer fees received on dozens of players we didn't need.  We had 2 exciting seasons when he was around for his 20 months or so but to almost get relegated from the Championship when he inherited a team with Mallan, Morgan, Naismith, MacKenzie, Shankland, McAllister, Magennis etc was some achievement!

Who did Jack Ross leave behind at the club who he'd signed or developed (rather than players inherited from previous managers, or former academy players like the McGinns?)

Barely a few months went by without Jack being linked with other clubs... Dundee, Barnsley and Ipswich were all spoken with during his short tenure with us (that we know about).  Jack had no intention of staying around to manage us in the premiership.

Shankland scores 0 in 17 that season, for what reason would we have wanted to keep him? Rory Loy came in and scored 5 in 13, what an awful decision that was to replace Shankland with Loy!

You claim he sold four players - so that was solely his decision and not the board? There was nothing we could do to convince the likes of Mallan and Morgan to stay. In fact, selling Morgan and getting him back on loan was outstanding business considering he’d be free come summer.

Development of other players isn’t solely down to the manager either - it depends what’s coming through the youth system at the time. The only guys who’ve come through since Magennis and McAllister are Erhahon and McPherson, who were obviously not near ready at that point. That isn’t the fault of a manager.

Who did he leave behind? A certain Ross Stewart who unlike our current strikers, is scoring goals at Ross County.

And get over this pish about “wanting to leave”, management can be a short lived career. Look at Alan Archibald, one year he’s got Partick to the Top 6, one season later they go down and nobody wants to hire him now. He declined Premier Dundee to stay with us, he declined English Championship Barnsley to stay with us. If you seriously expect any manager to not even talk to these clubs, then you are deluded. Should we say the same about Mallan, Morgan, McAllister, McLean, J.McGinn etc? Should we have denied Kyle McAllister’s return because he chose to move to Derby instead of giving us 20 years service? It’s football ffs, and it’s a credit to the job Jack did with us that other teams actually wanted our manager - when does that ever happen with us? It’s usually is getting rid of them.

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Anyone mentioning Ross as anything close to Ferguson really needs their head checked.
 
 
Achievement wise, they are comparable in terms of where we were when they arrived and when they left.

Also in terms of galvanising the whole club and making the fans feel part of something special.

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19 hours ago, BuddieinEK said:

But that's almost exactly what Fergie did with Aberdeen except our Chairman got wind and fired him.

Why is one revered, the other vilified?

Not quite ! Aberdeen approached us for Fergie a year previous , just before they appointed Billy McNeil. Fergie knocked them back , but when things started to go pear shaped a year later , he knew Aberdeen would still be interested after McNeil was appointed at Parkhead.

 

So , Ross turned his back on a shot at the Premiership with us , but Fergie stayed and further proved himself . 

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1 hour ago, Cornwall_Saint said:

   I was under the impression we had never been in the third tier of Scottish football 🤨

 

We were in the relegation slot to go into the 3rd tier when JR arrived - he surely help to prevent it? That was my point

 

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Ross had us escape relegation on goal difference in his first season, hailed by many due to the last day drama.

Success, if you are easily pleased.

The next season, nobody can fault him for running away with the league.

Couldn't wait, most of us would have done the same, to leave.

As was pointed out above, Fergie stayed and kept us in the top league, producing players that we will probably never see again.

Not even a close comparison, maybe it's my age. ha 

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