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St. Mirren v Sunderland, friendly 21/7/18


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16 minutes ago, elvis said:

I have asked this already but what is the lowest points total for relegation from Premier league because I think we are in with a great chance of surpassing that. 

Livingston with 18 in 2005/06.    Surely we'll beat that?

 

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3 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Totally agreed.
One of the very few to show a bit of fight and passion.

Yip. Highlight of an embarrassing afternoon was big Jack going through the wee Sunderland boy and then scaring the shit out of him by squaring up. Other than that...........

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9 minutes ago, DLBud said:

 

 


Not sure where you get that from but it’s probably fair to assume players won’t have taken kindly to popular teammates being cast aside and replaced with sub-standard shite on long contracts.

Cammy was POY last year playing as a No.10 and I’ve no idea why Stubbs is persisting playing him wide left?

Not sure what the mood in the camp has been but it won’t survive much more of this f**king garbage.

 

I did post elsewhere , that I was told McKenzie cracked up last Tuesday when he wasn't included in the starting eleven , wasn't in the squad today either !

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22 minutes ago, billyg said:

I get the feeling that key players eg Smith are unhappy and don’t really want to play for Stubbs.

Smith looks very unhappy and out of sorts as does Mullen. I hesitate to say it but Paul McGinn is not the answer at right back. His distribution is awful. Both goalies today looked really poor.

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I did post elsewhere , that I was told McKenzie cracked up last Tuesday when he wasn't included in the starting eleven , wasn't in the squad today either !


Not sure how he can be annoyed at that when he’s been told to find another club. Don’t get me wrong, I’d have GMac in the team before any of Stubbs signings.

Anyway, like I said, I would understand players not being happy with the way a winning team has been torn apart. Winning excuses almost everything but Stubbs will need to be careful from here on.
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41 minutes ago, Julian Banjos said:

Heard today some comparisions with Tommy Craig signings like Callum Ball and James Marwood. The fact is though, putting the trialists to one side, most of the players involved today (11 out of 15) were Jack Ross signings or came through the Academy.

We're still a long way away from having Alan Stubbs' team. The Stokes and Johnson deals falling through has obviously put us on the backfoot in terms of recruitment.

Also, I think we need to get Heaton - Kpekawa playing together in central defence ASAP.

Jack Ross signings playing under Allan Stubbs tactics.  Flynn, McGinn, Smith had no idea where they were supposed to go.  Nobody was looking for the balls from throw ins.  Defence had no idea where they were supposed to be standing.  It is crystal clear Stubbs has no clue how to organise a team.

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47 minutes ago, santaponsasaint said:

Not much you can say except absolutely dire. Why Mullin was playing right wing back is a puzzle. Everyone of his signings except Coulson have been so far absolutely honking. King was awful. Stubbs is letting Mackenzie go. He's a better player than the 2 CB he brought in put together. Still waiting on his marquee signings as he was waiting for The World Cup to finish. What world cup Ice Dancing. Tactics woeful the back 4 were so far back they were nearly sitting in the south stand. Hope we've not made a mistake with this guy. But I have bad feeling and I'm not the only one. Embarrassing

Spot on. Get MacKenzie, Liam Smith and Eck back on board, tighten up at the back and restore a bit of last season's team spirit if at all possible. The football on show is utterly dire and, Coulson apart, the new players are simply not good enough - including the new goalie. How can Stubbs seriously look at any of these guys and think they are better than the boys that he let go? I share your very bad feeling about this. 

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I did post elsewhere , that I was told McKenzie cracked up last Tuesday when he wasn't included in the starting eleven , wasn't in the squad today either !


Not true mate.

Mac is injured at the moment. Was supposed to play against Spartans but picked up an injury in training.
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As someone pointed out, 7 of the starting 11 were inherited by Stubbs.

Minus Lewis Morgan, the squad he was left with was nothing more than an average Championship side.

We also lost Davis and Smith while Magennis has been injured.

And for all the talk of Stubbs’ English non league signings, it was actually Jack Ross that signed one of them. And Paul McGinn isn’t great either!

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This might only have been a friendly but it was one of those games where I feel a massive jolt of relief.

Relief that I wont wake up tomorrow morning, look at my laughable "footballer haircut", my ludicrous coloured boots and my sleazy tattoos etc and realise that as a footballer, I am a total fraud. All the gear but no f**king idea whatsoever.

I don't care wether this was a friendly or not. Our players should at least be able to compete with a League One side. We may well expect to lose these games but we should not be yanking our pants down at our own home and inviting teams like Sunderland to lube up and use us as a chew toy.

Something is clearly wrong and I am glad it's not my job to fix it,

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8 minutes ago, Magic Monkey said:

Cracked up as in laughed? Or cried? Or both...

Cracked up and was escorted from the premises is the story I heard.

 

1 minute ago, ulysses said:

 

 


Not true mate.

Mac is injured at the moment. Was supposed to play against Spartans but picked up an injury in training.

 

He was on the bench at Kilmarnock , how did he get injured , did he fall off the kerb ?

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There is some good news though. I spoke to a few of the Mackems at the Buddie Good Food van and they were decent lads.

I know it’s not much, but it’s a start. We can build on this. Just need four or five exciting marquee Dundee fans to rack up looking for a cheeseburger and Bob’s yer’ Uncle.

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Not sure how he can be annoyed at that when he’s been told to find another club. Don’t get me wrong, I’d have GMac in the team before any of Stubbs signings.

Anyway, like I said, I would understand players not being happy with the way a winning team has been torn apart. Winning excuses almost everything but Stubbs will need to be careful from here on.

Maybe he wants to stay and prove Stubbs wrong not even given that opportunity.

Mackenzie is the best defender by far at our club at the moment
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2 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:

As someone pointed out, 7 of the starting 11 were inherited by Stubbs.

Minus Lewis Morgan, the squad he was left with was nothing more than an average Championship side.

We also lost Davis and Smith while Magennis has been injured.

And for all the talk of Stubbs’ English non league signings, it was actually Jack Ross that signed one of them. And Paul McGinn isn’t great either!

None of is matters. You expect to be able to compete regardless.

Spartans would not have lost this game 6-0.

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If you were GLS would you loosen the purse strings after the 3 games so far this season? Best game was the one where hardly any of Stubbs' signings started. Heaton has been or biggest signing so far, paid more for him than any player in 25 years and the only game he has started was the 2-2 draw with The Spartans.
Would love to be a fly on the wall in the boardroom post match when AS is watching as GLS welcomes JR and JF back to GHR. And then GLS watching JR and AS discuss the match.
I will.continue to back our new manager for some time as there is no doubt it is early, very early, and I have not watched the team yet. But I am concerned that we do not yet have a team. Seems we have a group of individual players who are still uncomfortable with their new roles and formation and getting to know new teammates.
Lie everyone else, I'm still waiting for, and expecting some big/good signings to bolster a currently weak squad.

There is still time...
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1 minute ago, ulysses said:

 

 


Not sure. Just passing on what I heard from one of the players!

 

Fair enough , maybe what I heard was ploppy. I certainly would want McKenzie back in just to shore things up !

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1 minute ago, Wendy Saintss said:

As someone pointed out, 7 of the starting 11 were inherited by Stubbs.

Minus Lewis Morgan, the squad he was left with was nothing more than an average Championship side.

We also lost Davis and Smith while Magennis has been injured.

And for all the talk of Stubbs’ English non league signings, it was actually Jack Ross that signed one of them. And Paul McGinn isn’t great either!

 

Just now, ulysses said:

 


Not sure. Just passing on what I heard from one of the players!

 

I hope he did kick off and I hope Stubbs is big enough to apologise.

The momentum, team spirit and fan connection to the team is already all hanging by a thread.

 

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