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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

Which you base on...

I reckon he is basing that upon your rampant support of all things Smisa.  Me he is having a go at for comic value. 

 

Clearly you are ripe for the brainwashing and as such you will be a worthwhile foot soldier as I command you to commit various atrocities in the name of Smisa.  Yes a fool man who carries out orders without question is useful to maniacal overlords like me.  Smisa will adorn your walls, adorn you body (by means of tattoo's) as it already adorns your mind.  Smisa own you boy and Smisa demands your service.  Your in the Smisa now!

 

Vote Tom and I will promote you to the rank of Bobby Dawson.

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21 hours ago, TediousTom said:

Here is the speech I will give to launch my campaign to be the king of Smisa

 

 

Dear members of Smisa, dear fools, dear gullible sheep.  I stand here before you as someone who can can move this organisation forward for the good of the club.  In the interests of the Saint Mirren professional football club pte ltd co you must elect me as your leader before you ruin everything with your stupidity and "look at me" nonsense.  On the day of my election I will do a reverse Trump, I shall not build a wall but rather pull that daft looking thing down.  If you want your name on a wall then buy a brick you utter idiots.  What a stupid waste of money your look at me wall was and my second command will be that whoever came up with the idea shall be taken to Ralston and beaten to death by the womens team.  Premium members will no longer be treated as Gods amongst us but instead they will have "fud" tattooed accross there foreheads and shunned from Paisley society.  Smisa will be the organisation that takes Paisley forward.  On the day after my election we shall march to Renfrewshire Council offices and storm the building, seizing control of local government and rasing our own militia.  All Labour councillors shall be executed by hanging at Maxwellton cross.  Thats what you get for opposing our new stadium you corrupt scummy bastardos , we shall never forget your corruption and betrayal and as your idiot bodies swing from the black and white gallows erected at the Cross of Maxwellton a message shall be delivered to those who would oppose us.    Retired councillors from that time shall be hunted down and taken to Love Street, just outside the location of our once beloved stadium where they shall be stoned to death using the bricks recovered from the "look at me" wall.  The entrails of the wicked whall be displayed at Paisley cross until eaten completely by pigeons.   The Smisa militia shall march within the month to the place known as Greenock where the slum town shall be cleared in the name of humanity.  A port shall be built to house the yachts of our players as well as the yacht I may buy with the plunder of our endeavours.  All Paisley residents who DO NOT own a season ticket to our club shall be force marched to the place formerly known as Greeock, now known as Toms redemption city where they will be held in a purpose built slum until the season ticket is purchased (at full price of course). 

 

Before long our militia will become an army, a black and white army, and we will develop a distinct salute as well as a rank structure.  Children under the age of four shall hold the rank of Jim Gardner and as they grow and service to the Smisa cause is demonstrated they can progress through the Davie Elliots right up to through the Dan McGarry, Norrie McWhirter and onto the Jock Bradfords.  Jocks will wear the coveted oversized cap.  A system of secret handshakes shall be adopted so we can recognise each other in the 3 hours per day when you will be permitted not to wear the uniform known as "the sacred stripes".  

 

Paisley town hall be used as a headquarters and we shall refer to it as lodge number 1.  Johnstone, Elderslie, Renfrew, Barrhead, Inchinnan, Bishopton, Linwood and even Erskine (Erskine isnt a real place, its a kind of desert with windows) will all in time open lodges of Smisa.  Loyalty will be rewarded through a system of badges for fellow Smisa footsoldiers to recognise and you will wear these badges on a sort of apron worn only within the confines of the lodge.  

 

Extreme violence shall be delivered unto those who oppose us and everyone not "in the party" shall fear a visit from "the Goodwin" squad who specialise in the breaking of legs.  Before long town after town will succumb to the Smisa will as we crush our opponents under our shiny jackboots.  Other football clubs will be allowed to exist but they all must pay a handsome loyalty fee to the motherclub as well as dailly bribes to the Smisa supreme leader, that of course being me.  Slowly Scotand will be turned black and white and we will initially break from the UK under the name of "Smisaland".  War will soon be waged on weaker country after weaker country as we start to turn the world map black and white.  When our influence on the world has grown to the point that we can field an army (a black and white army) in excess of 2 million we shall march into England, overthrowing the monarchy and dissolving that piss poor parliament in Westminster, replacing it with a self appointed Smisa council answerable only to the supreme leader in Paisley town hall.  The former British empire will be re-conquered  and known as "The Smisa league".  The crowning glory will be when Smisa jocks march into America re-conquering the former confederacy before marching into Union territory and once again Scotsmen will burn the whitehouse to the ground.  Smisa will conquer south taking Brazil and of course giving Smisaland nationality to the best footballers and granting them a room in a bedsit with an indoor toilet in Well Street.  Smisa will stand for a thousand generaions and the world will revere us lest we shall smash the teeth out of anyone who whispers in our opposition.  

 

Yes Smisa shall be dragged from a hopeless, fraudulent entity to a world conquering organisation, almost Reich like and the world shall reward us as our team will win every week forever in our wonderful 1 million seater stadium and yes the corners will be filled in.   Just for a laugh the Harlem globetrotters shall be forced to work in the pie stall whilst Tom Jones, Paulo Nuttini and Cliff Richard shall busk for our entertainment outside the stadium, every day except on a matchday as I will be there and I dont want to hear them, especially Cliff.  

 

Yes Smisa shall march from fraud to freedom, from ring fenced betrayal to the conquering of continents, from daft wall to the ownership of the Suez canal.  The vison can become reality before you idiots ruin our football club you must elect me as your extremely well paid leader and we shall march together (well I wont, I will make you do all the work) to a world that requires our domination.   Now bow before me you utter fools (I shall laugh wickedly at this point, sending a cold chill down the spine of all Smisa fools) and revere me as if I were a God.  

 

So....who's up for it?

 

Same plan as Sir David Murray mmm.... mite work Tom,  count me in, where do I sign  :1eye 

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1 hour ago, TediousTom said:

I reckon he is basing that upon your rampant support of all things Smisa.  Me he is having a go at for comic value. 

 

Clearly you are ripe for the brainwashing and as such you will be a worthwhile foot soldier as I command you to commit various atrocities in the name of Smisa.  Yes a fool man who carries out orders without question is useful to maniacal overlords like me.  Smisa will adorn your walls, adorn you body (by means of tattoo's) as it already adorns your mind.  Smisa own you boy and Smisa demands your service.  Your in the Smisa now!

 

Vote Tom and I will promote you to the rank of Bobby Dawson.

Do you mean the democratic way in which they do things? I feel that's a better approach than thinking your fellow fans are 'stupid' for wanting to move the club to fan ownership.

I'd probably say it was closer to 'stupid' focusing on the discretionary fund voting and thinking St Mirren fans are only paying to have their name on a wall.

Did you not say you were a fan of fan ownership? If only you had some actual genuine concerns about the way we're doing it and not just spouting nonsense. :thumbsup

 

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I don't think theres anything fraudulent about what SMiSA have done, but its becoming increasingly clear how bad a deal their purchase of the club was.

  1. Overpriced - who else was interested in paying £1M for a Scottish Championship club?
  2. Repaying directors loans incurred due to the TC fiasco on top of this.
  3. Not doing due diligence on facilities like the USH.
  4. No plan to use the inevitable surplus in payments to reduce the time for takeover to be finalised.

On top of this Id add being in thrall to GLS, to get back to the point of the tread DN wont be missed by anyone who wants to see the club run primarily in the interests of SMiSAs members - actual and potential ones like me.

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53 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

I don't think theres anything fraudulent about what SMiSA have done, but its becoming increasingly clear how bad a deal their purchase of the club was.

  1. Overpriced - who else was interested in paying £1M for a Scottish Championship club?
  2. Repaying directors loans incurred due to the TC fiasco on top of this.
  3. Not doing due diligence on facilities like the USH.
  4. No plan to use the inevitable surplus in payments to reduce the time for takeover to be finalised.

On top of this Id add being in thrall to GLS, to get back to the point of the tread DN wont be missed by anyone who wants to see the club run primarily in the interests of SMiSAs members - actual and potential ones like me.

I think there's an argument that £1 million could be slightly high for the club. But the selling parties would probably argue potential income like John McGinn 33% sell on,  at the time Kenny McLean and then brilliant youth players like Morgan, Magennis, Mallan, etc would all push that price up. When you look at the transfer income return we've had and likely to get, if we had an actual owner in it for profit, they would of made an absolute steal at £1 million. Especially if the McGinn deal comes off. 

The USH I completely agree, should of done better with that. Very unfortunate and disappointing situation to get into. At least we've come through it to no detriment to the team on the park, which remains the majorities key priority (as it should) 

I'm pretty sure when the money is in place, they'll make an offer to finalise it within the term. I don't think the two outcomes (he says no I'm waiting 10 years or says yes) will have any great impact on the team on the park. GLS has shown a great deal of ability as Chairman so far IMO. 

Your last point on how SMISA is run, I would always say members have the right to vote and have done in great support for anything that benefits SMFC. That's the team we all support so it's not a surprise. Regarding someone coming in that did anything counter to this, the evidence suggests they wouldn't have the backing of most members. I think a lot of people don't realise the interests of SMISA (as a member base) is what benefits SMFC the most, very clear from voting that's a majority view (or indifference) 

To me it almost feels like some people are us vs them when it comes to SMISA and SMFC, that completely baffles me. 

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

I think there's an argument that £1 million could be slightly high for the club. But the selling parties would probably argue potential income like John McGinn 33% sell on,  at the time Kenny McLean and then brilliant youth players like Morgan, Magennis, Mallan, etc would all push that price up. When you look at the transfer income return we've had and likely to get, if we had an actual owner in it for profit, they would of made an absolute steal at £1 million. Especially if the McGinn deal comes off. 

The USH I completely agree, should of done better with that. Very unfortunate and disappointing situation to get into. At least we've come through it to no detriment to the team on the park, which remains the majorities key priority (as it should) 

I'm pretty sure when the money is in place, they'll make an offer to finalise it within the term. I don't think the two outcomes (he says no I'm waiting 10 years or says yes) will have any great impact on the team on the park. GLS has shown a great deal of ability as Chairman so far IMO. 

Your last point on how SMISA is run, I would always say members have the right to vote and have done in great support for anything that benefits SMFC. That's the team we all support so it's not a surprise. Regarding someone coming in that did anything counter to this, the evidence suggests they wouldn't have the backing of most members. I think a lot of people don't realise the interests of SMISA (as a member base) is what benefits SMFC the most, very clear from voting that's a majority view (or indifference) 

To me it almost feels like some people are us vs them when it comes to SMISA and SMFC, that completely baffles me. 

There you go staunchly defending old Smisa again.  One must admire your total unwavering dedication to "the cause".  You could be useful, you could be useful indeed..

 

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45 minutes ago, TediousTom said:

There you go staunchly defending old Smisa again.  One must admire your total unwavering dedication to "the cause".  You could be useful, you could be useful indeed..

 

*Democracy 

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5 hours ago, bazil85 said:

I think there's an argument that £1 million could be slightly high for the club. But the selling parties would probably argue potential income like John McGinn 33% sell on,  at the time Kenny McLean and then brilliant youth players like Morgan, Magennis, Mallan, etc would all push that price up. When you look at the transfer income return we've had and likely to get, if we had an actual owner in it for profit, they would of made an absolute steal at £1 million. Especially if the McGinn deal comes off. 

The USH I completely agree, should of done better with that. Very unfortunate and disappointing situation to get into. At least we've come through it to no detriment to the team on the park, which remains the majorities key priority (as it should) 

I'm pretty sure when the money is in place, they'll make an offer to finalise it within the term. I don't think the two outcomes (he says no I'm waiting 10 years or says yes) will have any great impact on the team on the park. GLS has shown a great deal of ability as Chairman so far IMO. 

Your last point on how SMISA is run, I would always say members have the right to vote and have done in great support for anything that benefits SMFC. That's the team we all support so it's not a surprise. Regarding someone coming in that did anything counter to this, the evidence suggests they wouldn't have the backing of most members. I think a lot of people don't realise the interests of SMISA (as a member base) is what benefits SMFC the most, very clear from voting that's a majority view (or indifference) 

To me it almost feels like some people are us vs them when it comes to SMISA and SMFC, that completely baffles me. 

I would think even the most vociferous critic of smisa would find it a struggle to find any issues with this statement Bazil85,  well said pal.

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2 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

I would think even the most vociferous critic of smisa would find it a struggle to find any issues with this statement Bazil85,  well said pal.

Not a critiscm of smisa, ir any one individual, but in the two years since becoming 'fan owned' what has either the club, or smisa done to create any additional revenue stream..?

thats TWO years!

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5 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Not a critiscm of smisa, ir any one individual, but in the two years since becoming 'fan owned' what has either the club, or smisa done to create any additional revenue stream..?

thats TWO years!

Well as a provincial football club in Scotland the first step to increase revenue is to put a team on the park that fans will pay to watch,  that was the new regime`s plan and they delivered,  then take the club to the land of milk and honey the Premiership,  They delivered again,  This has not gone unnoticed success breeds success we are attracting new sponsorship to the club,

The club also has plans to increase revenue by making stadium improvements as has been discussed on another thread, but Rome wasn`t built in a day, and to reach our objective this `FAN OWNED` club needs everyone involved,  So I say this to you my fellow Buddie

We will be voting for a new fan representative shortly and you have always championed yourself as the man with all the answers and full of great ideas,  So as a famous man once said 

ASK NOT WHAT YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB CAN DO FOR YOU - ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB

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4 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

Well as a provincial football club in Scotland the first step to increase revenue is to put a team on the park that fans will pay to watch,  that was the new regime`s plan and they delivered,  then take the club to the land of milk and honey the Premiership,  They delivered again,  This has not gone unnoticed success breeds success we are attracting new sponsorship to the club,

The club also has plans to increase revenue by making stadium improvements as has been discussed on another thread, but Rome wasn`t built in a day, and to reach our objective this `FAN OWNED` club needs everyone involved,  So I say this to you my fellow Buddie

We will be voting for a new fan representative shortly and you have always championed yourself as the man with all the answers and full of great ideas,  So as a famous man once said 

ASK NOT WHAT YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB CAN DO FOR YOU - ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB

So you agree they havent managed to create one single additional revenue stream in two years.

i hear what you say about our championship winning team, however i would wait until the next set of accounts come out to gauge the huge rise in player spending last season, and outwith their control the meagre financial reward for winning the title to see how the books look. Yip theres More money available playing in the prem, but wages and costs go up accordingly, and as far as i can see its only Celtic that record a profit.

obviously I, or any one individual does not have all the answers and best ideas. However solid, effective, properly conceived odeas i, and others have put forward to create additional revenue, and further develop the asset of the stadium have just been plain ignored. And if you believe that adding additional seating to a stadium that never sells out is a sound business idea then you just dont get the basics of business.

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18 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

So you agree they havent managed to create one single additional revenue stream in two years.

i hear what you say about our championship winning team, however i would wait until the next set of accounts come out to gauge the huge rise in player spending last season, and outwith their control the meagre financial reward for winning the title to see how the books look. Yip theres More money available playing in the prem, but wages and costs go up accordingly, and as far as i can see its only Celtic that record a profit.

obviously I, or any one individual does not have all the answers and best ideas. However solid, effective, properly conceived odeas i, and others have put forward to create additional revenue, and further develop the asset of the stadium have just been plain ignored. And if you believe that adding additional seating to a stadium that never sells out is a sound business idea then you just dont get the basics of business.

Do you not think it’s a wee bit harsh to bring up SMISA increased revenue streams during this transitional period as a means of performance? ‘

Okay guys we need you all to pay £12/ £25 of your hard earned money over the next decade but on top of that let’s talk about even more money you can contribute to the club.’ 

i think your comments usually fall into the Us Vs Them category.  It shouldn’t be what has SMISA done, what has SMFC done. For me and many fans, they’re one and the same because their goals are directly aligned.

In saying that, what have they done to increase income streams for SMFC? I’d say funding £50k for the training pitch means the club have that money for the budget, disabled platform will likely have provided a better game experience for fans that need it and every chance have increased fan numbers, children entertainer seemed to go down well, would be very surprised if that didn’t get a few more young fans through the door, finance for the ladies team could of had an indirect benefit given the positive reputational impact. Also let’s not forget all the £2 spends are above and beyond revenue we would of had, oh and where else would the club get an interest free loan for the USH? That will of had a financial benefit. 

In summary, I think it would be harsh to judge them on increasing revenue streams in isolation given it’s a transitional period. I’d say why separate them and SMFC? But even with that they have done well considering the current situation. 

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4 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

Well as a provincial football club in Scotland the first step to increase revenue is to put a team on the park that fans will pay to watch,  that was the new regime`s plan and they delivered,  then take the club to the land of milk and honey the Premiership,  They delivered again,  This has not gone unnoticed success breeds success we are attracting new sponsorship to the club,

The club also has plans to increase revenue by making stadium improvements as has been discussed on another thread, but Rome wasn`t built in a day, and to reach our objective this `FAN OWNED` club needs everyone involved,  So I say this to you my fellow Buddie

We will be voting for a new fan representative shortly and you have always championed yourself as the man with all the answers and full of great ideas,  So as a famous man once said 

ASK NOT WHAT YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB CAN DO FOR YOU - ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB

A bit of a strange suggeston to put to someone who put in so much work to get SMISA and BtB into shape for the fan ownership bid, don't you think?

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3 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Do you not think it’s a wee bit harsh to bring up SMISA increased revenue streams during this transitional period as a means of performance? ‘

Okay guys we need you all to pay £12/ £25 of your hard earned money over the next decade but on top of that let’s talk about even more money you can contribute to the club.’ 

i think your comments usually fall into the Us Vs Them category.  It shouldn’t be what has SMISA done, what has SMFC done. For me and many fans, they’re one and the same because their goals are directly aligned.

In saying that, what have they done to increase income streams for SMFC? I’d say funding £50k for the training pitch means the club have that money for the budget, disabled platform will likely have provided a better game experience for fans that need it and every chance have increased fan numbers, children entertainer seemed to go down well, would be very surprised if that didn’t get a few more young fans through the door, finance for the ladies team could of had an indirect benefit given the positive reputational impact. Also let’s not forget all the £2 spends are above and beyond revenue we would of had, oh and where else would the club get an interest free loan for the USH? That will of had a financial benefit. 

In summary, I think it would be harsh to judge them on increasing revenue streams in isolation given it’s a transitional period. I’d say why separate them and SMFC? But even with that they have done well considering the current situation. 

The examples you quote are all care and maintenance or community work rather than actually increasing turnover.

 

And it is "would have" or "would've".

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48 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:

The examples you quote are all care and maintenance or community work rather than actually increasing turnover.

 

And it is "would have" or "would've".

Did you miss my point where I said it is a bit on the harsh side judging them on increasing revenue given how much money members are currently shelling out? Just further proof some fans are never happy and have a vendetta against SMISA/ SMFC

With no valid poins to make, get the grammar police comments out as well eh? :rolleyes:

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5 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Did you miss my point where I said it is a bit on the harsh side judging them on increasing revenue given how much money members are currently shelling out? Just further proof some fans are never happy and have a vendetta against SMISA/ SMFC

With no valid points to make, get the grammar police comments out as well eh? :rolleyes:

 

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2 hours ago, beyond our ken said:

A bit of a strange suggeston to put to someone who put in so much work to get SMISA and BtB into shape for the fan ownership bid, don't you think?

Am really glad you brought that up Ken, That`s had me scratching my head for sometime now ,  LPM was main Advocate on here for SMISA and the BtB campaign, supported admirable by the TSU fella, and Mr Dickson, and now they are its biggest critics,  THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN,  was LPM`S mission statement,  {he had me at `THE ONLY`  i signed up}  but now SMISA can do nothing right... so am left wondering was he right then or is he right now, which one do you think Ken ?  

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3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

So you agree they havent managed to create one single additional revenue stream in two years.

i hear what you say about our championship winning team, however i would wait until the next set of accounts come out to gauge the huge rise in player spending last season, and outwith their control the meagre financial reward for winning the title to see how the books look. Yip theres More money available playing in the prem, but wages and costs go up accordingly, and as far as i can see its only Celtic that record a profit.

obviously I, or any one individual does not have all the answers and best ideas. However solid, effective, properly conceived odeas i, and others have put forward to create additional revenue, and further develop the asset of the stadium have just been plain ignored. And if you believe that adding additional seating to a stadium that never sells out is a sound business idea then you just dont get the basics of business.

Ive never once mentioned more seating,  but your right I know nothing business basics, thats why am pushing your name forward for a seat on the board, I believe you have something to offer, or more importantly you believe you have  :)

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2 hours ago, bazil85 said:

Do you not think it’s a wee bit harsh to bring up SMISA increased revenue streams during this transitional period as a means of performance? ‘

Okay guys we need you all to pay £12/ £25 of your hard earned money over the next decade but on top of that let’s talk about even more money you can contribute to the club.’ 

i think your comments usually fall into the Us Vs Them category.  It shouldn’t be what has SMISA done, what has SMFC done. For me and many fans, they’re one and the same because their goals are directly aligned.

In saying that, what have they done to increase income streams for SMFC? I’d say funding £50k for the training pitch means the club have that money for the budget, disabled platform will likely have provided a better game experience for fans that need it and every chance have increased fan numbers, children entertainer seemed to go down well, would be very surprised if that didn’t get a few more young fans through the door, finance for the ladies team could of had an indirect benefit given the positive reputational impact. Also let’s not forget all the £2 spends are above and beyond revenue we would of had, oh and where else would the club get an interest free loan for the USH? That will of had a financial benefit. 

In summary, I think it would be harsh to judge them on increasing revenue streams in isolation given it’s a transitional period. I’d say why separate them and SMFC? But even with that they have done well considering the current situation. 

Harsh..?

No... not if you actually no what you're talking about!

on behalf of Smisa i worked with a national funding body to access grant funding whose remit and profile of wanting to invest in areas like our ground locality were a perfect match. A number of their criteria for funding we matched, some needed to be actioned, but easily achievable. Then they asked the silver bullet question.....

"apart from being good at bringing in 1200+ individual subscriptions, what do you do to enable your community to be more resilient?"

"what enterprises have/will you set up with funding that will offer employment, training, placement and return profit to re-invest in your community and its enterprises"..... the answers at the time of asking was nothing, and none!

but i took an idea back to the committee that we could easily  action, would benefit both club & community and allow us to re-invest profits in both, delivering full/ part time employment, training, education and placements...... AND we could do it if the members back it out of two £2 votes to start. And.... we would be 50 - 100% matced by a grant..!

the committee wouldnt even put it to a vote.... Harsh..? Harsh will be when its too late to do things like this because subs have dropped off.

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12 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

Am really glad you brought that up Ken, That`s had me scratching my head for sometime now ,  LPM was main Advocate on here for SMISA and the BtB campaign, supported admirable by the TSU fella, and Mr Dickson, and now they are its biggest critics,  THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN,  was LPM`S mission statement,  {he had me at `THE ONLY`  i signed up}  but now SMISA can do nothing right... so am left wondering was he right then or is he right now, which one do you think Ken ?  

The former is based on hope and the latter is based on experience, as is the case for many of us.  So you should be able to work it out.

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