Stubbsy Says...........Goodbye

[Doakes]

My worry is no player is going to want to join us now. Big difference from before the window opened, feels a bit like we've missed the opportunity. Hopefully not

[munoz]

When Stubbs was appointed I thought,  well at least we've appointed someone who'll have decent contacts i.e. Everton, Bolton etc . Now this dosnt seem to be the case. I understand there are financial constraints at a club our size , but I'm sure he must have been aware of this when interviewed for the job. 

[bigjerseybuddie]

Those who were saying he doesn’t seem to care about the fans seem pretty wide of the mark listening to that interview. Stubbs looks like he has had the rug pulled from under him with potential signings apparently going elsewhere which isn’t really his fault. He is clearly not happy with the quality at his disposal, he just needs to be careful how he conveys that in interviews  as the players have the right to be respected and  only criticised in private as he could easily lose what he’s got then he really would be in trouble.

[Lethal89]

Give him a break and let’s judge him on league results. Let’s remember his reputation is on the line here, he wants to win and be a success of that I have no doubt.

[Jack the lad]

There was me hoping he'd said bye bye!

[Dibbles old paperboy]

30 minutes ago, bigjerseybuddie said:

Those who were saying he doesn’t seem to care about the fans seem pretty wide of the mark listening to that interview. Stubbs looks like he has had the rug pulled from under him with potential signings apparently going elsewhere which isn’t really his fault. He is clearly not happy with the quality at his disposal, he just needs to be careful how he conveys that in interviews  as the players have the right to be respected and  only criticised in private as he could easily lose what he’s got then he really would be in trouble.

How much time and effort did he spend trying to get Anthony Stokes in (despite going AWOL before La Manga) or Adam Rooney (on £2k a week at Aberdeen) or 38 year old Kenny Miller? Going by what Rooney was on at Aberdeen (and with Motherwell also chasing him) I'm not sure how likely we ever were to sign him.

I wouldn't be surprised if from the way Stubbs has talked about strikers if he sees Mullen and Stewart as squad players at best, and he and Fitzpatrick are still talking about players leaving as well as arriving.

Before the game I did wonder whether starting with 5 defenders against league 2 opposition was a great move - on the upside we didn't concede thanks to Craig Samson being our man of the match. The downside is we offered very little going forward - 2 shots on target in 90 minutes against league 2 opposition. Two of Stubbs' own signings as attacking options Jeff King and Cody Cooke were left on the bench down the pecking order behind Ross Stewart who has apparently put in a transfer request.

[DougJamie]

10 hours ago, billyg said:

I'll be up in arms if the Scouser fanny lasts another 44 days !

No mate he has already had 42

[buddies1877]

How much time and effort did he spend trying to get Anthony Stokes in (despite going AWOL before La Manga) or Adam Rooney (on £2k a week at Aberdeen) or 38 year old Kenny Miller? Going by what Rooney was on at Aberdeen (and with Motherwell also chasing him) I'm not sure how likely we ever were to sign him.
I wouldn't be surprised if from the way Stubbs has talked about strikers if he sees Mullen and Stewart as squad players at best, and he and Fitzpatrick are still talking about players leaving as well as arriving.
Before the game I did wonder whether starting with 5 defenders against league 2 opposition was a great move - on the upside we didn't concede thanks to Craig Samson being our man of the match. The downside is we offered very little going forward - 2 shots on target in 90 minutes against league 2 opposition. Two of Stubbs' own signings as attacking options Jeff King and Cody Cooke were left on the bench down the pecking order behind Ross Stewart who has apparently put in a transfer request.

I think if Ross Stewart put in a transfer request we wouldn’t of seen him even on the bench last night some stupid rumours getting thrown about by complete idiots that call them self’s st Mirren supporters. Mackenzie had to be escorted from the premises even though I seen him sat in the stand another player can’t wait till January so he can sign a pca.

And if you know so much about what Stubbs did with other supposed targets who else has he got lined up he said he hopes to have a couple in by Saturday who are they ? Or is he just wasting his effort again? [emoji849]

[billyg]

6 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

 Jeff King and Cody Cooke were left on the bench down the pecking order behind Ross Stewart who has apparently put in a transfer request.

There are a few clubs after Stewart and it's a pity because there's a player there and I see another Iwelumo situation with him ie a player we didn't really rate who didn't want to play for us but went on to have a decent career. There are warning signs all over the place that the wheels are coming off and I'm willing to bet that at next weeks Q&A , someone in authority will come away with SGs statement at a previous Q&A "Ach , we'll be alright " when people were questioning the signings and general apathy surrounding Tommy Craig. It's very sad to see the clamour of clubs in the Championship , all desperate to get promotion this season , yet we're there already and don't seem to be bothered trying to stay there ! Mystifies me !

[JJ McG]

30 minutes ago, billyg said:

There are a few clubs after Stewart and it's a pity because there's a player there and I see another Iwelumo situation with him ie a player we didn't really rate who didn't want to play for us but went on to have a decent career. There are warning signs all over the place that the wheels are coming off and I'm willing to bet that at next weeks Q&A , someone in authority will come away with SGs statement at a previous Q&A "Ach , we'll be alright " when people were questioning the signings and general apathy surrounding Tommy Craig. It's very sad to see the clamour of clubs in the Championship , all desperate to get promotion this season , yet we're there already and don't seem to be bothered trying to stay there ! Mystifies me !

If things get that bad then Gordon Scott will act,  he won’t sit around until it’s too late like  the previous board did.

Still early days though, couple of decent signings could change the whole outlook.

[beyond our ken]

1 hour ago, bigjerseybuddie said:

Those who were saying he doesn’t seem to care about the fans seem pretty wide of the mark listening to that interview. Stubbs looks like he has had the rug pulled from under him with potential signings apparently going elsewhere which isn’t really his fault. He is clearly not happy with the quality at his disposal, he just needs to be careful how he conveys that in interviews  as the players have the right to be respected and  only criticised in private as he could easily lose what he’s got then he really would be in trouble.

It was plainly daft for any of us to think he would be able to up the quality when so much cash was splattered on duds in the last year or two

but it was entirely reasonable to expect the manager to build morale, work with the players and big the side up with the supporters as you can always try to do more with what you have

at premiership level, I’ve long held the view that it is better to work with what you have and make fewer but better new signings.  what the AS seems to have done is to go through the squad as if the quality is guaranteed to arrive only to find he has no quality and too few solid performers when it all kicks off in anger.

that would be as much the board’s fault if he hadn’t been so naive

What I think we will hear now is that it is all others people’ a fault

[Dibbles old paperboy]

1 hour ago, buddies1877 said:

 

I think if Ross Stewart put in a transfer request we wouldn’t of seen him even on the bench last night some stupid rumours getting thrown about by complete idiots that call them self’s st Mirren supporters. Mackenzie had to be escorted from the premises even though I seen him sat in the stand another player can’t wait till January so he can sign a pca.

And if you know so much about what Stubbs did with other supposed targets who else has he got lined up he said he hopes to have a couple in by Saturday who are they ? Or is he just wasting his effort again?

 

So do you think we should have pursued Stokes after he was sacked by Hibs and went AWOL from his last club and then didn't turn up at the airport to fly out to La Manga? Presumably one reason why Reilly's contract was taken off the table was Stubbs thought we had Stokes or Rooney (would have been a great signing if we can afford him) or Miller (why?!) lined up along with Cody Cooke.

The early signs are Stubbs doesn't think most of his own signings are ready to make the step up to first team / full time football at this level. Cody Cooke and Jeff King left on the bench in a game that had 0-0 written all over from near the start. The early signs are that Stubbs doesn't rate most of the players from last year either. To say after a game against Queens Park in league 2 that we are lacking quality at the moment... we should have enough quality in the squad at the moment to beat Spartans and Queens Park or at least show some kind of promise against them! If Heaton, Cooke, King are on 3 year deals because Stubbs thinks they all have potential but will need time to develop then Stubbs is as well saying that now to take some of the heat off them, otherwise fans are going to think he has misjudged what impact they will have and worry we are stuck with guys for 3 years who aren't good enough for the Scottish Championship.

Perhaps if Stubbs had been more pragmatic with the likes of Eckersley, MacKenzie, McShane there would be an option of using them in the squad until they move on? At the minute they are frozen out and Stubbs doesn't think his own signings are ready. The way things are shaping up if we lose to Dundee he'll no doubt throw them all in with no match fitness away at Ibrox!

Let's see what happens between now and Saturday. If no one signs then we know there are big problems.

[buddies1877]

So do you think we should have pursued Stokes after he was sacked by Hibs and went AWOL from his last club and then didn't turn up at the airport to fly out to La Manga? Presumably one reason why Reilly's contract was taken off the table was Stubbs thought we had Stokes or Rooney (would have been a great signing if we can afford him) or Miller (why?!) lined up along with Cody Cooke.
The early signs are Stubbs doesn't think most of his own signings are ready to make the step up to first team / full time football at this level. Cody Cooke and Jeff King left on the bench in a game that had 0-0 written all over from near the start. The early signs are that Stubbs doesn't rate most of the players from last year either. To say after a game against Queens Park in league 2 that we are lacking quality at the moment... we should have enough quality in the squad at the moment to beat Spartans and Queens Park or at least show some kind of promise against them! If Heaton, Cooke, King are on 3 year deals because Stubbs thinks they all have potential but will need time to develop then Stubbs is as well saying that now to take some of the heat off them, otherwise fans are going to think he has misjudged what impact they will have and worry we are stuck with guys for 3 years who aren't good enough for the Scottish Championship.
Perhaps if Stubbs had been more pragmatic with the likes of Eckersley, MacKenzie, McShane there would be an option of using them in the squad until they move on? At the minute they are frozen out and Stubbs doesn't think his own signings are ready. The way things are shaping up if we lose to Dundee he'll no doubt throw them all in with no match fitness away at Ibrox!
Let's see what happens between now and Saturday. If no one signs then we know there are big problems.

I don’t know exactly who we pursued or what happened that’s you that stating all this as you seem to know all the goings on behind the scenes enough to whine about it all.


But but your using of the word presumably makes me believe your just assuming the worst like a lot of so called supporters.

Il hold off from the crying till I see what actual squad Stubbs puts together and how they start to play.

As for the moment it’s a lot similar to last year but we still have a chance against Dumbarton of staying in the cup and also had a good performance against killie.

[Jack the lad]

31 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

So do you think we should have pursued Stokes after he was sacked by Hibs and went AWOL from his last club and then didn't turn up at the airport to fly out to La Manga? Presumably one reason why Reilly's contract was taken off the table was Stubbs thought we had Stokes or Rooney (would have been a great signing if we can afford him) or Miller (why?!) lined up along with Cody Cooke.

The early signs are Stubbs doesn't think most of his own signings are ready to make the step up to first team / full time football at this level. Cody Cooke and Jeff King left on the bench in a game that had 0-0 written all over from near the start. The early signs are that Stubbs doesn't rate most of the players from last year either. To say after a game against Queens Park in league 2 that we are lacking quality at the moment... we should have enough quality in the squad at the moment to beat Spartans and Queens Park or at least show some kind of promise against them! If Heaton, Cooke, King are on 3 year deals because Stubbs thinks they all have potential but will need time to develop then Stubbs is as well saying that now to take some of the heat off them, otherwise fans are going to think he has misjudged what impact they will have and worry we are stuck with guys for 3 years who aren't good enough for the Scottish Championship.

Perhaps if Stubbs had been more pragmatic with the likes of Eckersley, MacKenzie, McShane there would be an option of using them in the squad until they move on? At the minute they are frozen out and Stubbs doesn't think his own signings are ready. The way things are shaping up if we lose to Dundee he'll no doubt throw them all in with no match fitness away at Ibrox!

Let's see what happens between now and Saturday. If no one signs then we know there are big problems.

Very good post.

[santaponsasaint]

Forget new signings. The ones he has brought in are dross. Is he trying to us that Heaton and Cole whatever his name is better than Mackenzie. If he is he's in cloud Cookoo land. Kellerman has never really had a chance and Cooke and King well dire seems to be a good description. And nobody including the players have no idea what system we are playing. Absolutely shocking.

[Dibbles old paperboy]

3 minutes ago, buddies1877 said:

As for the moment it’s a lot similar to last year but we still have a chance against Dumbarton of staying in the cup and also had a good performance against killie.

 

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It's not remotely similar to last pre-season really. This time last year we had a manager and assistant who had done well the previous year and signed enough good players the previous season to suggest they could put a decent team together to challenge for promotion. We also retained the nucleus of our side from the previous season - we signed Cammy Smith on a permanent deal, we gave Eckersley a 2 year extension, Gary Irvine got a 1 year extension, we gave David Clarkson a 1 year deal while he recovered from a long-term injury,  Stellious got a contract extension, Gary MacKenzie signed a 1 year extension, Jack Baird got a contract extension, Kyle Magennis extended his deal with us too. We brought in Craig Samson and Gavin Reilly to add to the nucleus of the existing squad and got Harry Davis back again once he was fit.

Stubbs began by taking Reilly's contract offer away - fair do's Reilly had waited and kept his options open. He began by telling 4 of the squad to find new clubs and was presumably encouraging Hippolyte to do the same since he moved down a division later the same week. Of the nucleus of the squad he inherited (even after contracts were not renewed for the premiership season) how many do you get the impression that Stubbs values? Samson... perhaps but Stubbs bypassed Top Man Jimbo's opportunity to give him credit for keeping us in the game and doing well again in the penalty shoot out. I'd say he probably thinks Magennis and Stephen McGinn are good enough for the starting XI and possibly Baird and Cammy Smith. He's not even been pragmatic enough to view Eckersley, McShane and MacKenzie to do a job as squad players and cover for injuries and suspensions. He can of course get away with all that if his own signings make fans forget about last year's team. The optimism around Coulson appears to be diluted with each passing game at the moment. Not only have we had no exciting signings in the last fortnight, Stubbs now says we are struggling to get players in who can add to what we have. What we have looks a lot worse in a higher league than 12 months ago.

[Lord Pityme]

For the record, and to add some perspective.... players that Stubbzo has actually let go so far..

Stewart

Hippolyte

everyone else was let go by Ross or contract expired.

now pray tell, how he's ripped apart the squad? He's been left with next to f**k all, including two players who cant play on artificial surfaces who he has said can find other clubs... those two are struggling to get other gigs in the championship.... what does that tell you?

[buddies1877]

It's not remotely similar to last pre-season really. This time last year we had a manager and assistant who had done well the previous year and signed enough good players the previous season to suggest they could put a decent team together to challenge for promotion. We also retained the nucleus of our side from the previous season - we signed Cammy Smith on a permanent deal, we gave Eckersley a 2 year extension, Gary Irvine got a 1 year extension, we gave David Clarkson a 1 year deal while he recovered from a long-term injury,  Stellious got a contract extension, Gary MacKenzie signed a 1 year extension, Jack Baird got a contract extension, Kyle Magennis extended his deal with us too. We brought in Craig Samson and Gavin Reilly to add to the nucleus of the existing squad and got Harry Davis back again once he was fit.
Stubbs began by taking Reilly's contract offer away - fair do's Reilly had waited and kept his options open. He began by telling 4 of the squad to find new clubs and was presumably encouraging Hippolyte to do the same since he moved down a division later the same week. Of the nucleus of the squad he inherited (even after contracts were not renewed for the premiership season) how many do you get the impression that Stubbs values? Samson... perhaps but Stubbs bypassed Top Man Jimbo's opportunity to give him credit for keeping us in the game and doing well again in the penalty shoot out. I'd say he probably thinks Magennis and Stephen McGinn are good enough for the starting XI and possibly Baird and Cammy Smith. He's not even been pragmatic enough to view Eckersley, McShane and MacKenzie to do a job as squad players and cover for injuries and suspensions. He can of course get away with all that if his own signings make fans forget about last year's team. The optimism around Coulson appears to be diluted with each passing game at the moment. Not only have we had no exciting signings in the last fortnight, Stubbs now says we are struggling to get players in who can add to what we have. What we have looks a lot worse in a higher league than 12 months ago.

I cba reading more of your pish tbh got bored after the first line.

We lost a game at home and got beat 5-0 away this time last year and we’re out of the cup.

[Dibbles old paperboy]

2 minutes ago, buddies1877 said:

I cba reading more of your pish tbh got bored after the first line.

We lost a game at home and got beat 5-0 away this time last year and we’re out of the cup.

I wasn't worried last pre-season - I thought we had a decent chance of winning the league, especially if Dundee United started slowly and came under pressure. This year however, I think the manager's judgment is open to question and it doesn't look like I am alone in that assessment.

[proudtobeabuddy]

I have to say that AS came across ok to me in the interview. He sounds a bit frustrated.... i'd be amazed if he wasn't. I agree with him about we need more signings, we don't know anything about that side of it in regards to who we nearly signed etc.. We just need to trust the management team, GS and TF to do the business in time for the league starting and definitely before the transfer window closes.

[Desperately Seeking Susans]

15 hours ago, LargsBud said:

 

Good focus on the corner of the room.

[DLBud]

.. those two are struggling to get other gigs in the championship.... what does that tell you?

It tells me that you made the last bit up.

[andrew87]

Why would a club like St Mirren offer any manager a 3 year deal?  Ross had developed God like status at the club and I can't recall him being offered a 3 year deal. Utter madness! 
I can't believe how quickly Stubbs has ripped the heart out of our side. Heard rumours he had told the players to forget all the success of last season as it counts for nothing. Every player talked how Jack had brilliant people skills but it would seem Stubbs isn't quite cut from the same cloth.
The players all seemed to chuck it on Saturday after Sunderland went 2-0 up. Worrying signs for any team to give up so easily.
All very depressing stuff and it looks like even a few marquee signings won't help out the team spirit which has been so lacking in last 3 games.
 
 
 

Stubbs might think the players should forget about last season but I be he didn't forget to mention winning the Scottish Cup at his interview.

[Dibbles old paperboy]

1 hour ago, andrew87 said:

On 7/24/2018 at 10:35 PM, Mr Zo said:

Why would a club like St Mirren offer any manager a 3 year deal?  Ross had developed God like status at the club and I can't recall him being offered a 3 year deal. Utter madness! 
I can't believe how quickly Stubbs has ripped the heart out of our side. Heard rumours he had told the players to forget all the success of last season as it counts for nothing. Every player talked how Jack had brilliant people skills but it would seem Stubbs isn't quite cut from the same cloth.
The players all seemed to chuck it on Saturday after Sunderland went 2-0 up. Worrying signs for any team to give up so easily.
All very depressing stuff and it looks like even a few marquee signings won't help out the team spirit which has been so lacking in last 3 games.
 
 
 

Stubbs might think the players should forget about last season but I be he didn't forget to mention winning the Scottish Cup at his interview.

or on his twitter page!

[Callum Gilhooley]

Saw this on the Daily Ranger transfer update section a few days ago.

"New St Mirren boss Alan Stubbs has been utilising his knowledge of England's lower leagues"

Have i missed something ?