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I have no problem with two or three loans complimenting our side but potentially we are going to have far too many who have no real feeling for our club. They are here to learn or get game time and this is a recipe for disaster. The emotional attachment we have with this club can’t be strengthened by supporting a team of loan players you don’t even own.

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19 minutes ago, norrie82 said:

I have no problem with two or three loans complimenting our side but potentially we are going to have far too many who have no real feeling for our club. They are here to learn or get game time and this is a recipe for disaster. The emotional attachment we have with this club can’t be strengthened by supporting a team of loan players you don’t even own.

FFS! 

The forums in meltdown, although it does show that football supporters are a bit simple. ((C)) Captain) 

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41 minutes ago, Knightswoodsaint said:

Another thread about loanee players. As mentioned on the other thread is there really that much difference from a 1 year loan player to a player on a 1 year contract 

Yes. A player on a 1 year contract is trying to play well to stay at the club and be offered a new contract. A loan player is trying to impress his parent club so he can disappear at the end of the season and play for them.

The only way we get to keep a loan player for the following season is if he’s hopeless and his club don’t want him back

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1 minute ago, Big Yards said:

Yes. A player on a 1 year contract is trying to play well to stay at the club and be offered a new contract. A loan player is trying to impress his parent club so he can disappear at the end of the season and play for them.

The only way we get to keep a loan player for the following season is if he’s hopeless and his club don’t want him back

:1eye

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1 hour ago, Big Yards said:

Yes. A player on a 1 year contract is trying to play well to stay at the club and be offered a new contract. A loan player is trying to impress his parent club so he can disappear at the end of the season and play for them.

The only way we get to keep a loan player for the following season is if he’s hopeless and his club don’t want him back

Took the words right oot  ma fingers, don't do it again  :spud5

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7 hours ago, Big Yards said:

Yes. A player on a 1 year contract is trying to play well to stay at the club and be offered a new contract. A loan player is trying to impress his parent club so he can disappear at the end of the season and play for them.

The only way we get to keep a loan player for the following season is if he’s hopeless and his club don’t want him back

Not necessarily if the player on the years contract plays well they have put themselves in the shop window to other clubs who will no doubt offer more than say ourselves thus move on  the loanee if he performs yes shows his parent club they are good worst case again puts themselves in the same shop window to try get the best deal possible. As it stands the loanee market can open up players we may not alternately had a sniff at. Hodson for example willlock will come good ok maybe others we missed out on Stewart going to Killie so for me they are similar markets as both players are ultimately trying to impress for at worse selfish reasons that’s football 

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13 hours ago, Knightswoodsaint said:

Another thread about loanee players. As mentioned on the other thread is there really that much difference from a 1 year loan player to a player on a 1 year contract 

except some loan deals say the club HAVE to play the loanee if they are fit - however their form is. 

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5 hours ago, Knightswoodsaint said:

Not necessarily if the player on the years contract plays well they have put themselves in the shop window to other clubs who will no doubt offer more than say ourselves thus move on  the loanee if he performs yes shows his parent club they are good worst case again puts themselves in the same shop window to try get the best deal possible. As it stands the loanee market can open up players we may not alternately had a sniff at. Hodson for example willlock will come good ok maybe others we missed out on Stewart going to Killie so for me they are similar markets as both players are ultimately trying to impress for at worse selfish reasons that’s football 

Hodson had a decent season at Killie a few seasons ago, and would fall into the bracket of a reasonably experienced pro who could be picked up on PCA in January if the club identify him as the kind of player that would strengthen our squad - a large part of Gus McPherson's signing policy was about poaching players in their final year of their contract with other premiership clubs, eg Jack Ross, Craig Dargo, Steven Thomson (midfielder), Gary Brady, Lee Mair, John Potter were all signed as players doing well at clubs about our level or slightly higher. I wouldn't be surprised if some of Jack Ross' target had been this type of player, eg Paul McGinn was one of two signings announced before Ross took the Sunderland job.

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1 hour ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Everton chairman wasn't returning Stubbs' calls apparently!

Actually that makes an interesting point.

To succeed at this level we need a manager who is a first rate coach AND has first rate networking skills.

Without the latter, the former has no chance of success and maybe this is why a lot of clubs are using directors of football.

Is the lack of good signings just down to finance? Or is Alan's network not strong enough to get in the players he wants?

If it's the latter, are we in a position to use a sliver of the McGinn money to hire someone who has better contacts than Alan in order to help him during the January window?

In other words, is a different approach needed here?

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Actually that makes an interesting point.

To succeed at this level we need a manager who is a first rate coach AND has first rate networking skills.

Without the latter, the former has no chance of success and maybe this is why a lot of clubs are using directors of football.

Is the lack of good signings just down to finance? Or is Alan's network not strong enough to get in the players he wants?

If it's the latter, are we in a position to use a sliver of the McGinn money to hire someone who has better contacts than Alan in order to help him during the January window?

In other words, is a different approach needed here?

I thought that why Jackson was brought on board

Him being involved in the footballing agency world

Doing a grand job

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