DougJamie Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: So what is he coming in to do? Sit around and look important! How do you look important and sit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: So what is he coming in to do? Sit around and look important! Your the man that likes to tell us all which is normally wrong. Don't take that the wrong way it is a discussion forum. Reading what role Gus will play quoted by Gordon Scott is not too hard to understand. However feel free to speculate as I wrote it is a football forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, Doakes said: A few crazy comments in this thread. From watching Oran's interview, he was pretty transparent in saying that his knowledge of the Scottish game is "limited", and will need a little help with that. From Oran's POV, someone like Gus will have that knowledge, and be able to take a back seat and guide him into his new role. The important decisions will of course be made by Kearney. Useful article I found ; Dan Parnell (right): "There has been some confusion about the role. I think a big reason is the title, which can shift from Director of Football to Technical Director to Performance Director. Many profess to know exactly what a Sporting Director should do, but often the specification is designed and developed ‘on the job’. There remains no definition of the Sporting Director in academic literature. The following offering aims to give an insight into how the role should work. Dr Dan Parnell from MMU The Sporting Director is the person responsible for the overall performance of the various sporting departments, which include first team, Under-21s, academy, scouting, medical and sport science. This responsibility ties hand-in-hand with the Sporting Director’s role, which is to develop and deliver the strategic plan towards achieving success in the club’s sporting aims. The Sporting Director should report directly to the Owner and/or Chief Executive Officer. The key priorities for the Sporting Director are: Support the first team and head coach Maintain and manage a positive working relationship with the owner Employ the best people within budget as department heads Oversee the implementation of the club’s DNA and identity a suitable playing philosophy across all teams, from first team to Academy. Implement and maintain a scouting network Manage the movement of players in and out of the club Oversee the academy and development teams (extending to community foundations for talent identification) Oversee the performance departments including medical and sport science Oversee the training ground The Sporting Director is the custodian of the club’s sporting performance and must have: Football industry knowledge Business and financial acumen Ability to lead and develop a high performance culture Ability to develop and deliver a strategy both strategically and operationally Understanding of - and the ability to deliver - good governance Ability to manage change and innovation Ability to manage research (monitor and evaluate) on relevant performance measures They are the person employed by the owner or board to be the guardian of the club’s future, to protect their investment and bring on-field success through effective leadership and decision making in the short, medium and long-term." This job sounds easy, where do you apply ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, Drew said: If the TD is to have an oversight of recruitment, then it is reasonable to assume that it will directly impact on the youth academy, Ian. You're right, though, none of us are clear at present as to what the job - and its responsibilities - will consist of. Gordon would do well to come out with his chairman's update. I'm looking forward to Friday night to see how the players respond. Don't think we will win but to see a fighting spirit would be a step forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delpierro Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Now dont get me started on Jimmy Nichol rumour!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: but hey dont take my word for it. Believe me, I didn't, and never would. You said strikers, and you were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Whoever the TD is I hope it is someone that Oran approves of and not someone forced upon him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northstbuddie Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Looks like a fair proportion of the John McGinn windfall will be taken up by a top heavy management structure. OK was talking of possibly bringing in Jimmy Nicholl. Where would he fit in (and Brian Rice)? We already have TF as Chief Executive - how will his role be affected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Gus has been about the leagues for a few years now and there can't be too much he doesn't know about the Scottish Leagues and players .If he is only advising /taking the pressure of Oran then I think this is actually a good move by GLS and TF, Oran is going to need the help that this new role will provide IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: A great victory that night indeed. However taking it in the rounds Mowbray fielded FIVE strikers that night to try and save his ass. It backfired. And if it was just one match, or one or two issues i would agree with you. But his time has been and gone now. Hence why, with all that great experience you laud him for, he's been relegated to the bottom league. he had a good run, but he's a negative influence from a bygone era. Whereas you are an ongoing negative influence! Edited September 12, 2018 by smcc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, MenstrieSaint said: at present St Mirren as a club are divided , the Stubbs signings and those that were part of the promotion team ? Is Gus such a good guy that he will help unite things , or will he take sides ? Add to the fact that its likely Oran Kearney might sign a couple of players from Northern Ireland , theres potential for more splits and division if these guys aren,t up to standard straight away . would Gus support the current manager , or just let things unsettle behind his back , so he can step up. Gus in my opinion would be a bad choice . I also have huge concerns about the amount of money we are paying for non playing staff . Plenty of instances of DOF undermining managers in recent years, but Gus`s days of managing St Mirren are long gone, there`s no way Gus will ever be a permanent manager of the club again, he`s had his day in that department, so at least from that point of view Oran wont have to be looking over his shoulder every 2 mins, This is a new position that Gordon is creating so to criticise anyone before they even start the job not knowing what his responsibilities are is just ridiculous, at least wait till he recommends we sign ALAN GOW FFS But as a poster has stated, if Gus does comes back in or whoever ? I think its important that we all know what the role covers, Edited September 12, 2018 by portmahomack saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 48 minutes ago, Magic Monkey said: Believe me, I didn't, and never would. You said strikers, and you were wrong. What a catastrophic error on my part, it was indeed "Six Forwards" he had on. Thanks for confirming that though, its important to get the wee things right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maboza Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 I think the difficulty in trying to unite the fans with this type of appointment is that it is difficult for people to identify who exactly they would want as an alternative. When you try to think about what you want from someone filling the role: good communicator, experienced, professional, contacts in the game, knowledge of the league and transfer market, someone who buys in to the club/community/youth, etc. We would want someone to have experience, but to also be forward thinking and not a football dinosaur. With the ever-increasing importance of sports science, technology and technical ability - we wouldn't want a football dinosaur. The vast majority of those attributes, however, are what we also want a manager to have. Who would we want in that Technical Director seat? If we considered the age and experience of a Craig Brown type compared to the youth, inexperience, but forward thinking approach of an Ian Cathro, to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Who would we get to sit somewhere in the middle that ticks most of the boxes without wanting to be in the main hotseat? I'm sure there are some options out there (ex. Saints and otherwise) - but who springs to mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, smcc said: Whereas you are an ongoing negative influence! So not wanting Gus back is negative? would it alse be negative to suggest Hitler wouldnt be the best to advise Angela Merkel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said: So not wanting Gus back is negative? would it alse be negative to suggest Hitler wouldnt be the best to advise Angela Merkel? Wouldn't be negative just fecking stupid, appalling taste and irrelevant Only in your mind could you make that comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wendy Saintss Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 If he were to get the job, I certainly hope that his attitude to the youth set up has changed since he left the club. It did leave a fair bit to be desired. Indeed. I still can’t believe he didn’t play Sean Burns every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Some utter guff on here about gus.What young player did he release that went on to do better?For every bad performance we got under him you were guaranteed a response in the next game also the championship winning season was just as good as the one under jack Ross.He took us from bottom end of the championship to an established spl side I won’t say anything bad about the guy gave me some great memories that game away to Motherwell was one of the best I’ve ever been to.I wouldn’t mind at all him coming back as first team coach or as assistant to Oran but I’m not a fan of these positions of director of football or whatever they want to call it undermines the manager imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DougJamie said: This job sounds easy, where do you apply ?? I've read that post 5 times and it's just full of vague corporate bollocks. What on earth does "support the first team and head coach" mean? It could literally mean anything. It's hard to see how much of this differs from the manager's job. What do each of them do on a day to day basis without treading on each others territory? Without a crystal clear description of the job and equally crystal clear lines of accountability there will be a power vacuum and problems will inevitably result. Edited September 12, 2018 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, pod said: That's better than FFS, which can be misquoted. Misinterpreted, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepaisleypanda Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, buddies1877 said: that game away to Motherwell was one of the best I’ve ever been to. If i remember rightly Gus wasn't there due to serious family reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: Indeed. I still can’t believe he didn’t play Sean Burns every week. Sorry, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ged62 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 If the TD is to have an oversight of recruitment, then it is reasonable to assume that it will directly impact on the youth academy, Ian. You're right, though, none of us are clear at present as to what the job - and its responsibilities - will consist of.You can only play so many from the academy & that’s if they are good enough. Right now we need experience IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddies1877 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 If i remember rightly Gus wasn't there due to serious family reasons You remember wrongly he was there and won us the game to keep us up. Thanks for proving my point also some utter shite being spouted about gus on this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, ged62 said: You can only play so many from the academy & that’s if they are good enough. Right now we need experience IMO I don't disagree with that at all.As others have said, I imagine Gus' attitude to the youth set up might well have altered over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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