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Oran's pick v The Board's man?

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32 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Yes but did I put up a pole saying the board want this but Oran wants that. No so why not step back and stop trying to point score. Why not get a dog then you can have a 10min break from. BAWA. Christ we all need it. 

I've got four dogs and take them up a mountain basically twice a day. Believe me, my best time is spent well away from here.

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There's a valid point here in whether the appointment is necessary for a club of our size...

I think it's a good idea personally - takes a bit of heat off the gaffer and allows more time to concentrate on building up the confidence of the team. No question there's a lot of work needing done!

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28 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Fair enough then it should be who Oran wants. 

I would qualify that by suggesting that he plays a fully involved part in the recruitment and selection process, then the panel come to an agreed position based on picking the best candidate for the role. 

The issue for me is both parties going to the media to state their picks. Jeez hasnt the board at least learned from their mistakes their by leaking their intentions to the media?

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19 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

You missed out the bit about no one talking about two recruits for any role. But hey!

That's because I genuinely don't think they are...I think Nicholl is being talked about as backroom staff and McPherson is being talked about for the "additional/new" role.

 

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At least Wee Anxious is saying the sensible stull:

   1 hour ago,  Stu said: 

From the Mail:

QUEEN’S PARK head coach Gus MacPherson insists that it is extremely premature to talk about him leaving his role at the Spiders and heading back to St Mirren.

 The 49-year-old has been linked with the job of technical director at the Paisley club, where he was manager for nearly seven years, and the Hampden outfit have given permission for talks to take place. MacPherson, who left St Mirren in 2010, has yet to meet with new Saints boss Oran Kearney as well as chairman Gordon Scott and chief executive Tony Fitzpatrick, and he wants to hear their views on what the role entails before moving forward. MacPherson said: ‘St Mirren asked Queen’s Park for permission to speak to me on Tuesday and that has been granted. I do not know much more than that and what I have read after the story appeared.’ ‘I do not know Oran and I have never spoken to him. I do know St Mirren as a club, but any move would depend on what Oran wants and what St Mirren want from the role.

‘The manager has to be comfortable about getting on with the job he wants to do and I do not know what any role supporting that entails.’ The timing of St Mirren’s request could hardly have come at a worse time for Queen’s as it arrived just a couple of hours after they learned they would be losing their home as part of the Scottish FA’s deal to buy Hampden.

MacPherson will hold off making a decision, as he explained: ‘I do know what I would be giving up and I have turned jobs down in the past, so nothing has been agreed. Hopefully talks take place between everyone involved soon.’

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5 minutes ago, WeeBud said:

That's because I genuinely don't think they are...I think Nicholl is being talked about as backroom staff and McPherson is being talked about for the "additional/new" role.

 

I cant for the life of me imagine why someone of Nicholl's standing would leave an international set up to be simply a coach for us? It makes no sense, the guy trumps Gus in every dept as to current suitability for the role of TD.

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13 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

I cant for the life of me imagine why someone of Nicholl's standing would leave an international set up to be simply a coach for us? It makes no sense, the guy trumps Gus in every dept as to current suitability for the role of TD.

Unless he does it part time, like he has been for years and Darren Jackson was doing with U19's, and like he was when No2 to Hartley at a bottom of the championship Falkirk and therefore may not necessarily mean he has to give anything up.

Your second part is a whole different argument but certainly wasn't what you were driving at earlier.

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Reading ok article it sounds like he wants Nicholls in his coaching staff and the club want Gus as TD that could help OK just concentrate on the team with his staff and Gus do the other stuff like scout reports on teams player's whatever then take it to OK and advise him. 

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LPM, whit is yer point here? Try tae be mair succinct FFS. 

In answer tae yer opening question, it's a nae brainer. The coach makes the call, no the administrative "BEHIND THE SCENES' folk. They just pay the wages, an appoint the manager. Efter that, the manager should appoint 'his' staff.

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2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

I've got four dogs and take them up a mountain basically twice a day. Believe me, my best time is spent well away from here.

I've got four dogs and take them up a mountain basically twice a day.

You pervert.

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22 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Spot on Elvis.

In the same way you can always tell a Ricky thread from the title, you can always tell a LPM thread too. 

So you cant tell them by the author thats printed by the title???

silly me, that would mean you then couldnt go on to them, to say how pointless they are because that would just make anyone who did that look like a tit!

 

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I'd guess, since the Chairman has already stated that his reason for looking at a Technical Director role was to have some form of constant going forward, that it would therefore not make a whole lot of sense to have the manager alone choose the person who takes up that position?

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 “Because of what’s happened this season we’ve looked again at how we run things and we’re planning to bring in a technical director, who will be a constant presence at the club,” he said.

“When Jack went to Sunderland he left a big hole and we had a new guy coming in and signing a lot of players and relying on other people to tell him how good they were.

The board will almost certainly be here longer than the manager.

No St.Mirren manager since the war has lasted any longer than the 7 year stint that, ironically, Gus MacPherson managed between 2003 and 2010.

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2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

So you cant tell them by the author thats printed by the title???

silly me, that would mean you then couldnt go on to them, to say how pointless they are because that would just make anyone who did that look like a tit!

 

You have completely lost me with that gibberish?

First of all I’m not sure what format you view this forum in, but the one I use the thread title is in big bold lettering with the author below in much smaller, fainter greyed out font. Your attention is drawn to the title long before the author. In fact the vast majority of the time I open a thread title without even noticing who the author is. My point was that I can usually tell yours by either the negative or incendiary tone of the title. 

The gobbledygook in your second para is lost on me? Something about saying your post was pointless which I didn’t do. Perhaps you meant something else. Perhaps if you’d written it in English it would have been clearer. 

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48 minutes ago, div said:

I'd guess, since the Chairman has already stated that his reason for looking at a Technical Director role was to have some form of constant going forward, that it would therefore not make a whole lot of sense to have the manager alone choose the person who takes up that position?

The board will almost certainly be here longer than the manager.

No St.Mirren manager since the war has lasted any longer than the 7 year stint that, ironically, Gus MacPherson managed between 2003 and 2010.

Hey Div, that's because we huv been crap since the war. Which war ur yi takin aboot anywho. 7 years??? That's a lifetime. Oor managers ur daein well tae last 2 year. Wid bi dif if we wur winning an constantly in the tap 8. That's where we shud be....

Rangers............Glasgow

Celtic.................Glasgow

Hearts...............Edinburgh

Hibernian.........Edinburgh 

Aberdeen.........Aberdeen

Dundee.............Dundee

Dundee Utd....Dundee

St Mirren..........Paisley

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the rest

disgraceful oor under performance  fur a toon oor size

an also, whit's happened tae us, wi hud aboot 100,000 population 50 year ago

the toon is noo full a scumbags

helpmaboab......

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1 Glasgow 599,650 City Glasgow City
2 Edinburgh 464,990 City City of Edinburgh
3 Aberdeen 196,670 City Aberdeen City
4 Dundee 147,710 City Dundee City
5 Paisley 76,220 Town[4] Renfrewshire
6 East Kilbride 74,740 Town South Lanarkshire
7 Inverness 61,235 City Highland
8 Livingston 56,570 Town West Lothian
9 Hamilton 53,200 Town South Lanarkshire
10 Cumbernauld 51,610 Town North Lanarkshire
11 Dunfermline 50,380 Town Fife
12 Kirkcaldy 49,460 Town Fife
13 Ayr 47,190 Town South Ayrshire
14 Perth 47,180 City[5] Perth and Kinross
15 Kilmarnock 46,350 Town East Ayrshire
16 Coatbridge 43,970 Town North Lanarkshire
17 Greenock 43,690 Town Inverclyde
18 Glenrothes 39,100 Town Fife
19 Airdrie 37,130 Town North Lanarkshire
20 Stirling 36,440 City Stirling
21 Falkirk 35,310 Town Falkirk
22 Irvine 33,740 Town North Ayrshire
23 Dumfries 33,280 Town Dumfries and Galloway
24 Motherwell 32,120 Town North Lanarkshire
25 Rutherglen 31,180 Town South Lanarkshire
26 Wishaw 30,510 Town North Lanarkshire
27 Cambuslang 27,610 Town South Lanarkshire
28 Bearsden 27,340 Town East Dunbartonshire
29 Clydebank 26,640 Town West Dunbartonshire
30 Newton Mearns 24,650 Town East Renfrewshire
31 Arbroath 23,640 Town Angus
32 Musselburgh 23,620 Town East Lothian
33 Bishopbriggs 23,430 Town East Dunbartonshire
34 Elgin 22,980 Town[4] Moray
35 Renfrew 22,010 Town Renfrewshire
36 Bathgate 21,070 Town West Lothian
37 Bellshill 20,650 Town North Lanarkshire
38 Alloa 20,390 Town Clackmannanshire
39 Dumbarton 19,950 Town West Dunbartonshire
40 Kirkintilloch 19,630 Town East Dunbartonshire
41 Peterhead 18,450 Town Aberdeenshire
42 Barrhead 17,620 Town East Renfrewshire
43 Grangemouth 17,280 Town Falkirk
44 Blantyre 17,090 Town South Lanarkshire
45 St Andrews 16,800 Town Fife
46 Kilwinning 16,420 Town North Ayrshire
47 Johnstone 16,390 Town Renfrewshire
48 Bonnyrigg 16,360 Town Midlothian
49 Penicuik 16,110 Town Midlothian
50 Viewpark 16,020 Area North Lanarkshire
51 Erskine 15,530 Town Renfrewshire
52 Broxburn 15,360 Town West Lothian
53 Port Glasgow 15,190 Town Inverclyde
54 Larkhall 15,020

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5 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

I cant for the life of me imagine why someone of Nicholl's standing would leave an international set up to be simply a coach for us? It makes no sense, the guy trumps Gus in every dept as to current suitability for the role of TD.

Didn't JN combine his NI duties with his recent spell at Rangers.?

 

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2 hours ago, div said:

I'd guess, since the Chairman has already stated that his reason for looking at a Technical Director role was to have some form of constant going forward, that it would therefore not make a whole lot of sense to have the manager alone choose the person who takes up that position?

The board will almost certainly be here longer than the manager.

No St.Mirren manager since the war has lasted any longer than the 7 year stint that, ironically, Gus MacPherson managed between 2003 and 2010.

I don’t get that though Div. Why does creating a TD role provide continuity? What if the TD is doing a shite job and needs to get sacked? Why are we assuming that it will be the manager who would be getting the tin tack?

In fact if Oran is in as Manager and Gus comes in as TD, I know who my cash would be on (if any) for doing the shite job.

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