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Excellent- that’s a boot in the bawz back at clowns like Sutton.

Journalism is what it is, most people don’t have an issue with controversial articles, but what’s been said against Saints was actually disrespectful & out of order.

The coverage in the papers have pretty much only spoke about, the Celtic chance ( header off the line ) , the sending off & how they ‘dominated’ the game !

I thought Saints were tremendous in the first half & organised and calm in the second half.

“St Mirren frustrated Celtic” , “St Mirren didn’t try win the game” etc etc ? How about, they didn’t see Celtic in the first half as we were in command playing our game going forward & controlling the game so they couldn’t play ?

Delighted to see that article, lets hope we carry on on to the next game with the same energy.

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Free speech is something which should be defended vigorously but only when it does not get into the realms of prejudiced,  defamatory, ill-informed and deliberately misleading opinions delivered on a public platform (like BT Sport) without the opportunity of right of reply.

The problem that St Mirren have in this situation is that they probably don't want to air their dirty linen in public in due respect to their former manager.

Chris Sutton (not for the first time) overstepped the mark in making cheap inflammatory remarks without making clear that Stubbs is a former team-mate (and possibly friend) of his at Celtic and should not therefore have been allowed by BT to air his biased viewpoint without the club being allowed to defend itself. However that probably wouldn't  have been plausible because of the confidential nature of the issue. 

And unless we have been ill-informed ourselves of what was actually going on behind the scenes, we can only form our own conclusions as to whether or not Stubbs' sacking was justified.

On the face of it, it would appear that "he lost the dressing room" because of his man-management style and manner, and this combined with his under-achieving signings and apparent under-whelming allegiance to a provincial club like St Mirren, led to his early demise.

This is all just my opinion but I am (or anyone officially connected with the club) unlikely to be afforded a platform by BT to defend the good name of St Mirren or for the club to receive a public apology and retraction of Sutton's defamatory rants.

Just as the sacking of Stubbs was apparently  justified, so would the dismissal of Sutton by BT for unprofessional conduct and abuse of his privileged position .

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1 hour ago, whydowebother said:


Excellent- that’s a boot in the bawz back at clowns like Sutton.

Journalism is what it is, most people don’t have an issue with controversial articles, but what’s been said against Saints was actually disrespectful & out of order.

The coverage in the papers have pretty much only spoke about, the Celtic chance ( header off the line ) , the sending off & how they ‘dominated’ the game !

I thought Saints were tremendous in the first half & organised and calm in the second half.

“St Mirren frustrated Celtic” , “St Mirren didn’t try win the game” etc etc ? How about, they didn’t see Celtic in the first half as we were in command playing our game going forward & controlling the game so they couldn’t play ?

Delighted to see that article, lets hope we carry on on to the next game with the same energy.

As I said elsewhere although Celtic had more possession our keeper didn't make a serious save whereas Gordon made three in the first half. Sportscene highlights were a better reflection for once 

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41 minutes ago, Danny said:

As I said elsewhere although Celtic had more possession our keeper didn't make a serious save whereas Gordon made three in the first half. Sportscene highlights were a better reflection for once 

and Thommo sticking up for us regarding sending off. 

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5 hours ago, pod said:

and Thommo sticking up for us regarding sending off. 

 

6 hours ago, northstbuddie said:

Free speech is something which should be defended vigorously but only when it does not get into the realms of prejudiced,  defamatory, ill-informed and deliberately misleading opinions delivered on a public platform (like BT Sport) without the opportunity of right of reply.

The problem that St Mirren have in this situation is that they probably don't want to air their dirty linen in public in due respect to their former manager.

Chris Sutton (not for the first time) overstepped the mark in making cheap inflammatory remarks without making clear that Stubbs is a former team-mate (and possibly friend) of his at Celtic and should not therefore have been allowed by BT to air his biased viewpoint without the club being allowed to defend itself. However that probably wouldn't  have been plausible because of the confidential nature of the issue. 

And unless we have been ill-informed ourselves of what was actually going on behind the scenes, we can only form our own conclusions as to whether or not Stubbs' sacking was justified.

On the face of it, it would appear that "he lost the dressing room" because of his man-management style and manner, and this combined with his under-achieving signings and apparent under-whelming allegiance to a provincial club like St Mirren, led to his early demise.

This is all just my opinion but I am (or anyone officially connected with the club) unlikely to be afforded a platform by BT to defend the good name of St Mirren or for the club to receive a public apology and retraction of Sutton's defamatory rants.

Just as the sacking of Stubbs was apparently  justified, so would the dismissal of Sutton by BT for unprofessional conduct and abuse of his privileged positi

 

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I think we should let it go , and put the W7 issues and the disagreements over the  arrival of Gus behind us as well. We need to be concentrating 100% on staying up. Sutton has been talking shite about SPL clubs for years , yet it takes us , on our first season back , to take up arms against him , he'll be laughing all the way to the bank !

 

 

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The club arent going to take legal action against Sutton, there's no grounds, he hasnt accused anyone of doing anything illegal.

And lets face it, do you think the club want to have to stand up in court and have all the shit splattered around in public concerning how they sacked Stubbs?

We do seem to be coming a bit more like the paranoid bigots everyday. And the more you slag/diss someone, or something in public, the more you are drawn to it. Like Billy says time for everyone to grow up a bit and make sure if you have to stand in a puddle of shit? You've at least got big enough boots on.

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I am not a lawyer but I think that if St Mirren's solicitors sent Sutton a strongly worded letter advising him that, if he continued to make unsubstantiated allegations against the club or its staff members, legal action would ensue, he would watch his Ps and Qs in the future.

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I wonder if there's a case for claiming back Stubbs' pay off. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a non disclosure clause on the severance deal. If Stubbs has then went running telling stories to a mate who just happens to have a media platform then there could well be a case there that he broke the non disdclsure. 

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2 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

The club arent going to take legal action against Sutton, there's no grounds, he hasnt accused anyone of doing anything illegal.

And lets face it, do you think the club want to have to stand up in court and have all the shit splattered around in public concerning how they sacked Stubbs?

We do seem to be coming a bit more like the paranoid bigots everyday. And the more you slag/diss someone, or something in public, the more you are drawn to it. Like Billy says time for everyone to grow up a bit and make sure if you have to stand in a puddle of shit? You've at least got big enough boots on.

Defamation is a breach of civil law in Scotland.

I have already stated why the club may be reluctant to pursue this in court - so I agree with you on this particular point.

The first sentence in your third paragraph does not make sense. Why are you paranoid if you decide to defend yourself against defamatory remarks made on public TV? And what has that got to do with bigotry? If Sutton's remarks had been made against you personally on BT TV would you just have ignored them?

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Just now, northstbuddie said:

Defamation is a breach of civil law in Scotland.

I have already stated why the club may be reluctant to pursue this in court - so I agree with you on this particular point.

The first sentence in your third paragraph does not make sense. Why are you paranoid if you decide to defend yourself against defamatory remarks made on public TV? And what has that got to do with bigotry? If Sutton's remarks had been made against you personally on BT TV would you just have ignored them?

If i was an SPFL footballer or Club, yes i would have ignored him. Now both club and one player in particular are drawn ever closer to him, and we know there will be hee haw legal action, so Sutton will be cock-a-hoop at having another load of free hits at us.

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1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said:

If i was an SPFL footballer or Club, yes i would have ignored him. Now both club and one player in particular are drawn ever closer to him, and we know there will be hee haw legal action, so Sutton will be cock-a-hoop at having another load of free hits at us.

I think the least the club should do in these circumstances is send a formal legal letter of complaint to BT and ask them to take appropriate action against their employee ie a formal reprimand which I would assume is unlikely to be a 'first warning' given his track record.

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Sutton is simply a loud mouth , he's like an aggressive fan boy and frankly uses belligerence as a substitute for ability and a lack of analytical ability.

He is having a go cos its controversial, it keeps him supposedly relevant.

Lets face it , he's a failed manager himself , but rather than address shortcomings , he looks to deflect. He appears to have been as good a manager as Stubbs, end of, no, wrong, in fact Stubbs was far more successful !! Says it all

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Seaside Nipper said:

Sutton is simply a loud mouth , he's like an aggressive fan boy and frankly uses belligerence as a substitute for ability and a lack of analytical ability.

He is having a go cos its controversial, it keeps him supposedly relevant.

Lets face it , he's a failed manager himself , but rather than address shortcomings , he looks to deflect. He appears to have been as good a manager as Stubbs, end of, no, wrong, in fact Stubbs was far more successful !! Says it all

 

 

I agree with all that.

However there is a difference between making controversial statements for the hell of it as against deliberately defaming an individual or organisation.

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25 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

I think the least the club should do in these circumstances is send a formal legal letter of complaint to BT and ask them to take appropriate action against their employee ie a formal reprimand which I would assume is unlikely to be a 'first warning' given his track record.

Really, why? It means nothing unless you can prove something in court. Are st mirren going to go to court, ostensibly to defend one player now in the 'liability' category to only have to rake through all the internal strife, protests, back stabbing, media outburts etc surrounding Stubbs sacking?

no, Stubbs would have a field day as its not him breaking any confidentiality agreement, and when all the stories come out he might be able to tak e the club for even more thanks to his old mate Chris, and what would by then be the ex player Eckersley.

talk on the pitch, make others back up their claims.

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3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Really, why? It means nothing unless you can prove something in court. Are st mirren going to go to court, ostensibly to defend one player now in the 'liability' category to only have to rake through all the internal strife, protests, back stabbing, media outburts etc surrounding Stubbs sacking?

no, Stubbs would have a field day as its not him breaking any confidentiality agreement, and when all the stories come out he might be able to tak e the club for even more thanks to his old mate Chris, and what would by then be the ex player Eckersley.

talk on the pitch, make others back up their claims.

Not for the first time you don't know what you are talking about LPM.

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1 minute ago, Lord Pityme said:

Really, why? It means nothing unless you can prove something in court. Are st mirren going to go to court, ostensibly to defend one player now in the 'liability' category to only have to rake through all the internal strife, protests, back stabbing, media outburts etc surrounding Stubbs sacking?

no, Stubbs would have a field day as its not him breaking any confidentiality agreement, and when all the stories come out he might be able to tak e the club for even more thanks to his old mate Chris, and what would by then be the ex player Eckersley.

talk on the pitch, make others back up their claims.

It doesn't 'mean nothing unless you can prove it in court' the club can issue a letter of complaint without having (or wanting) to follow official channels or go to court. I'm sure they only want an acknowledgement of his mistake and unacceptable behaviour, not the man to be disciplined and sacked. BT and Chris could acknowledge it wasn't acceptable without any further escalation. 

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31 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

Not for the first time you don't know what you are talking about LPM.

You think st mirren are going to let their dirty washing around Stubbs sacking be aired in court? They would be giving away monet to Sutton, Stubbs and their legal teams if they were so suicidally minded.

if you send me a leagal letter telling me basically how much i upset you it might come in handy to get my fire going, but all it means is you wrote a letter then paid a lawyer to sign it. It means nothing.

 

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3 hours ago, smcc said:

I am not a lawyer but I think that if St Mirren's solicitors sent Sutton a strongly worded letter advising him that, if he continued to make unsubstantiated allegations against the club or its staff members, legal action would ensue, he would watch his Ps and Qs in the future.

Mate, Sutton would get the letter printed in big letters and wear it on a t shirt every time he is in front of the cameras...............

Its what he lives for.....................

Now below is scandal, not what happened with Stubbs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2631880/Chris-Sutton-declared-bankrupt-former-Chelsea-Blackburn-striker-blames-problems-bad-financial-advice.html

He also said Cardiff City would be relegated with a record low points total , and obviously that the Sevco game was easiest game of the season.......

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