Paisley brazilians Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Ive been watching the team all season and how they didn't perform well under stubbs(a team of push overs) to oran Kearney's first game against Celtic i thought what a difference a game make we played sensational against Celtic. fast forward 8 days and bang Hamilton the team looked like stubbs was back in the dug out. Are we a team who turns up for the big occasion and backs away from the battle hardened relegation teams like Hamilton. we need to harden up and fast and all the players need to turn up for a fight. Scrap for every ball. Power through every defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) What we are presently is a team that needs to score first. I'm probably in a minority but going by TV I didn't feel we were that bad until we went behind. We don't have a genuine scoring threat at this level and this hurts us with teams being able to ignore our forwards to an extent, a trait that is exacerbated if/when they score, there was no belief that we could turn the game around and that led to acceptance that defeat was inevitable and the lacklustre performance in the second half which I couldn't watch till the end. A "Crazy Gang" attitude like Hamilton & Livi have would help but it won't solve the problem. Edited September 26, 2018 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky1 Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Every game should be a big occasion for the players, we will only play the likes of Celtic & Rangers if we can beat the likes of Hamilton etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 This is a really good call, cause what we are actually saying here, is , can we be a Livi............... we will have to be, cause we cant live with any team in this league on football ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, DougJamie said: This is a really good call, cause what we are actually saying here, is , can we be a Livi............... we will have to be, cause we cant live with any team in this league on football ability We need to score goals then we will see a different side to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 What we are presently is a team that needs to score first. I'm probably in a minority but going by TV I didn't feel we were that bad until we went behind. We don't have a genuine scoring threat at this level and this hurts us with teams being able to ignore our forwards to an extent, a trait that is exacerbated if/when they score, there was no belief that we could turn the game around and that led to acceptance that defeat was inevitable and the lacklustre performance in the second half which I couldn't watch till the end. A "Crazy Gang" attitude like Hamilton & Livi have would help but it won't solve the problem. We were good up until they scored. Flynn and Cammy Smith were linking up well. Problem was we didn't really look like scoring and as soon as they scored we capitulated.The capitulation isn't a new thing to this team as we saw it a few times last season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: We need to score goals then we will see a different side to us. How many goals though IOBS Bar Celtic we are average losing 3 a game, prob is our defence and non existent mid field. Suddely the Celtic game with 10 behind the ball against 10 of them is not looking so great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: We need to score goals then we will see a different side to us. But will have to score more than the opposition. Edited September 26, 2018 by pod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Unlikely it may seem to some, but, I don’t think for a minute we will be ‘scrapping’ for survival.We will get going soon enough & have a respectable season.Oddly enough, just 2 more points picked up & I doubt threads like this would have appeared so early. The proverbial ‘if’ we’d drawn against Livingston & Hamilton, obviously we didn’t, but had we of drawn ? Perhaps people would think differently, alas we didn’t but it doesn’t change my outlook on this season.We ‘accepted’ we’d lose more than we won this season, doesn’t necessarily follow we will be relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Unlikely it may seem to some, but, I don’t think for a minute we will be ‘scrapping’ for survival. We will get going soon enough & have a respectable season. Oddly enough, just 2 more points picked up & I doubt threads like this would have appeared so early. The proverbial ‘if’ we’d drawn against Livingston & Hamilton, obviously we didn’t, but had we of drawn ? Perhaps people would think differently, alas we didn’t but it doesn’t change my outlook on this season. We ‘accepted’ we’d lose more than we won this season, doesn’t necessarily follow we will be relegated. Unfortunately, not only did we not win the games mentioned, we simply did not compete and these are the games that we really need to pick up points in .My fear is that by the time January comes we could find ourself in a two way scrap with Dundee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, whydowebother said: Unlikely it may seem to some, but, I don’t think for a minute we will be ‘scrapping’ for survival. We will get going soon enough & have a respectable season. Oddly enough, just 2 more points picked up & I doubt threads like this would have appeared so early. The proverbial ‘if’ we’d drawn against Livingston & Hamilton, obviously we didn’t, but had we of drawn ? Perhaps people would think differently, alas we didn’t but it doesn’t change my outlook on this season. We ‘accepted’ we’d lose more than we won this season, doesn’t necessarily follow we will be relegated. Mate, I am an eternal optimist ..... Instead of drawing with 2 of the "weakest teams on papaer " we lost 5-0 ..... what this season has shown so far , and I state so far - is that we are out of our depth.... Dundee game- we easily could have been 2-1, 3-1 down, ok we also had chances but it wasnt exactly convincing 10 man Sevco and 10 Man Celtic- we didnt lay a glove on them 2 nd Halves Hearts and Livi- lets be honest. 4-1 , 2-0 was kind to us............. both games over as a contest, and of course another thrashing at Dons.... If you look at Livi, they stay in games, or they scrap......... Our next 2 games are Hibs and Dons......................... I really want to see us stay in games................ if we can get any points great but lets not be 2-0 at HT and game over.... after that we have Well, Fakes , Killie................... we need to make a mark .................. I am really hoping that loads is being done behind the scenes to give us some structure. The injury list is not helping, but as per the tite of this thread.... I at least expect 100% from every player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6Saint Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 A bit of luck and some confidence would go a long way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Mate, I am an eternal optimist ..... Instead of drawing with 2 of the "weakest teams on papaer " we lost 5-0 ..... what this season has shown so far , and I state so far - is that we are out of our depth.... Dundee game- we easily could have been 2-1, 3-1 down, ok we also had chances but it wasnt exactly convincing 10 man Sevco and 10 Man Celtic- we didnt lay a glove on them 2 nd Halves Hearts and Livi- lets be honest. 4-1 , 2-0 was kind to us............. both games over as a contest, and of course another thrashing at Dons.... If you look at Livi, they stay in games, or they scrap......... Our next 2 games are Hibs and Dons......................... I really want to see us stay in games................ if we can get any points great but lets not be 2-0 at HT and game over.... after that we have Well, Fakes , Killie................... we need to make a mark .................. I am really hoping that loads is being done behind the scenes to give us some structure. The injury list is not helping, but as per the tite of this thread.... I at least expect 100% from every player Tough season ahead. Was never likely to have been otherwise. Reasons.. 1. Step up in the class of the opposition. 2. Other teams have bigger budgets (Livvy apart). 3. The timing and drawn-out nature of Jack Ross Leaving. 4 Consequent delay in New manager appointment.5. Delay in entering the transfer market. 6. Signings of inexperienced players. 7. Injuries to experienced players. 8. Signing of new manager. Time to reboot and move on. This season and next will be cruicial to the club. Note: The McGinn Money needs to be used wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, DougJamie said: How many goals though IOBS Bar Celtic we are average losing 3 a game, prob is our defence and non existent mid field. Suddely the Celtic game with 10 behind the ball against 10 of them is not looking so great It was obvious under some previous managers that the inability to score boosted the confidence of our opposition and also left them the option to adopt a different game plan against us. Simply the notion that they could be hurt by our strikers should be enough to buy us a little bit of leeway. Being able to go one up and then defend solidly or being effective on the break will change the apporach of the opposition. A toothless front line is the biggest handicap to any team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Tough season ahead. Was never likely to have been otherwise. Reasons.. 1. Step up in the class of the opposition. 2. Other teams have bigger budgets (Livvy apart). 3. The timing and drawn-out nature of Jack Ross Leaving. 4 Consequent delay in New manager appointment.5. Delay in entering the transfer market. 6. Signings of inexperienced players. 7. Injuries to experienced players. 8. Signing of new manager. Time to reboot and move on. This season and next will be cruicial to the club. Note: The McGinn Money needs to be used wisely. Still think Jack leaving was the main reason for our demise. Eye was off ball when we recruited Stubbs................. but hey its still only September and we have 96 points to play for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 47 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Mate, I am an eternal optimist ..... Instead of drawing with 2 of the "weakest teams on papaer " we lost 5-0 ..... what this season has shown so far , and I state so far - is that we are out of our depth.... Dundee game- we easily could have been 2-1, 3-1 down, ok we also had chances but it wasnt exactly convincing 10 man Sevco and 10 Man Celtic- we didnt lay a glove on them 2 nd Halves Hearts and Livi- lets be honest. 4-1 , 2-0 was kind to us............. both games over as a contest, and of course another thrashing at Dons.... If you look at Livi, they stay in games, or they scrap......... Our next 2 games are Hibs and Dons......................... I really want to see us stay in games................ if we can get any points great but lets not be 2-0 at HT and game over.... after that we have Well, Fakes , Killie................... we need to make a mark .................. I am really hoping that loads is being done behind the scenes to give us some structure. The injury list is not helping, but as per the tite of this thread.... I at least expect 100% from every player Weakest ? Have you looked where Livie are in the league and their results , they could be top six. If we were not brining players in to check out I would be worried it tells us management know we are weak and trying to do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Weakest ? Have you looked where Livie are in the league and their results , they could be top six. If we were not brining players in to check out I would be worried it tells us management know we are weak and trying to do something about it. Weakest Teams on paper was what i said ................. did you read my post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Weakest Teams on paper was what i said ................. did you read my post You go read the form book mate print it out if you wish to have it on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Every time I open this topic, I keep seeing the title as "Are we really crap". Visit to spec savers I think or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, pod said: "Are we really crap ? " Aye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: We need to score goals then we will see a different side to us. We don't create chances. No strikers will score with the current supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: We don't create chances. No strikers will score with the current supply. P McGinn puts in a good cross. S McGinn lays off some brilliant passes. Hodson is not bad with a cross ether. We lose a goal the tools for some reason get laid down that is a huge part of the problem and needs fixed sooner rather than later. If Jackson signd that would be a big help up front. Edited September 26, 2018 by Isle Of Bute Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Much to be said in favour of most of the posts on this topic. We do need to be realistic. We are not miles away points wise from the teams immediately above us. We do need to scrap and we do need a better supply to the strikers. Jack leaving as and when he did didn't allow plans already made to be followed through and we are on our second manager since June. Still no need for doom and gloom but certainly time for a reality check. COYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBIONSAINT Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Newspaper check, matches check, enough bog roll check. Whoops sorry misread the thread title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted September 26, 2018 Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 No. Afraid not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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