Qarsaan Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 My first time driving in Paisley for a good few years. Couldn't believe the condition of some roads, even the main ones. How on earth have we allowed this to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Qarsaan said: My first time driving in Paisley for a good few years. Couldn't believe the condition of some roads, even the main ones. How on earth have we allowed this to happen? Cuts in public service budgets and poor quality repairs by contracted companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 People leaving the country not contributing to the money available to carry out repairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, Qarsaan said: My first time driving in Paisley for a good few years. Couldn't believe the condition of some roads, even the main ones. How on earth have we allowed this to happen? It's like that all over the country it's called austerity. Spend here you can't spend there even though we all pay road tax well the ones that drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, Isle Of Bute Saint said: It's like that all over the country it's called austerity. Spend here you can't spend there even though we all pay road tax well the ones that drive. You know this how? Not like that here, our roads, overall, are more than decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, faraway saint said: You know this how? Not like that here, our roads, overall, are more than decent. Spot on. Its down to the Individual Authorities. Worked up near Elgin a few years back and the roads were awesome..... Too much money spent trying to get City of Culture!!! When the roads , High Street and parts of towncentre are falling apart ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, faraway saint said: You know this how? Not like that here, our roads, overall, are more than decent. Roads are good on the island also. It comes down to volume of traffic = maintenance. Grass and public hedging were cut regular over here it has now dropped to two cuts a year. Austerity plays a big part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Roads are good on the island also. It comes down to volume of traffic = maintenance. Grass and public hedging were cut regular over here it has now dropped to two cuts a year. Austerity plays a big part. I'm not denying cuts to budgets don't have any effect but, as DJ indicates, it's down to the management and decisions by the local authority. I agree that the volume of traffic is a major factor but the standards of roads can still be maintained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Spot on. Its down to the Individual Authorities. Worked up near Elgin a few years back and the roads were awesome..... Too much money spent trying to get City of Culture!!! When the roads , High Street and parts of towncentre are falling apart ..... The council have just spent a fortune resurfacing a lot of the main roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Qarsaan said: My first time driving in Paisley for a good few years. Couldn't believe the condition of some roads, even the main ones. How on earth have we allowed this to happen? Thank god for that. I thought there was something wrong with my suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 8 hours ago, DougJamie said: Spot on. Its down to the Individual Authorities. Worked up near Elgin a few years back and the roads were awesome..... Too much money spent trying to get City of Culture!!! When the roads , High Street and parts of towncentre are falling apart ..... Absolute bollocks. I have an email where I was complaining about the state of the roads which I sent to the council in 2012 ,years before city of culture bids was even considered . How do you explained the state of roads in other Council areas ? We are paying the price now for decades of lack of investment in our road networks by successive governments, both local and national of various hues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 The roads in the Paisley area have been bad for as long as l can recall . Then there was the harsh winters around 2010-2011 and that made them really bad . They have been playing catch up ever since. They have some seemingly irrational steps where they resurface half a road and then come back about a year later and do the other half . The other longstanding daft procedure is whereby they resurface a road then some other mob come and dig a hole in it , patch and make a right pigs ear of the patch , one winter later that bit of road is f**ked again . . Also , there should be some clause that the contractors have to agree to that means they have to pay another contractor to come and fix the manholes that sink a couple of weeks after resurfacing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 11 hours ago, saintnextlifetime said: The roads in the Paisley area have been bad for as long as l can recall . Then there was the harsh winters around 2010-2011 and that made them really bad . They have been playing catch up ever since. They have some seemingly irrational steps where they resurface half a road and then come back about a year later and do the other half . The other longstanding daft procedure is whereby they resurface a road then some other mob come and dig a hole in it , patch and make a right pigs ear of the patch , one winter later that bit of road is f**ked again . . Also , there should be some clause that the contractors have to agree to that means they have to pay another contractor to come and fix the manholes that sink a couple of weeks after resurfacing The Germans lay their pipes running along side of the roads so when maintenance needs done both sides of the road are open. Too clever for us to work that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 14 hours ago, Callum Gilhooley said: Absolute bollocks. I have an email where I was complaining about the state of the roads which I sent to the council in 2012 ,years before city of culture bids was even considered . How do you explained the state of roads in other Council areas ? We are paying the price now for decades of lack of investment in our road networks by successive governments, both local and national of various hues. Ok I shall adapt my post so you can stop having a stroke The money we wasted on the City of Culture bid could have been put towards the roads All Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Ok I shall adapt my post so you can stop having a stroke The money we wasted on the City of Culture bid could have been put towards the roads All Good Having a stroke ? Really ? Because I disagreed ? Silly man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said: Having a stroke ? Really ? Because I disagreed ? Silly man. So write "I disagree" then At my age some says absolute bollox to my point can expect backfire Rude man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 So write "I disagree" then At my age some says absolute bollox to my point can expect backfire Rude man I gave you an actual example from personal experience to counter your nonsense statement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: The Germans lay their pipes running along side of the roads so when maintenance needs done both sides of the road are open. Too clever for us to work that one out. So the pavements are closed then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Seems the Germans aren't that great after all.............................. 2. Re: Road Construction- where to find updated road information 28 Jan 2017, 10:45 The ADAC road atlas (in book form) actually specifically marks sections of autobahn as subject to regular delays due to traffic jams. However, when I drove right across Germany from mid-west to north-east some 18 months ago we lost around 3 hours in total to traffic jams - but only one of those jams (on the east side of Hamburg) was at a location marked in the ADAC atlas (and that particular location actually had permanently-installed signs warning of "STAU" = traffic jam). If you look at the on-line ADAC map the large number of work-sites marked will just put you off driving at all! Edited: 28 January 2017, 10:45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 40 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Seems the Germans aren't that great after all.............................. 2. Re: Road Construction- where to find updated road information 28 Jan 2017, 10:45 The ADAC road atlas (in book form) actually specifically marks sections of autobahn as subject to regular delays due to traffic jams. However, when I drove right across Germany from mid-west to north-east some 18 months ago we lost around 3 hours in total to traffic jams - but only one of those jams (on the east side of Hamburg) was at a location marked in the ADAC atlas (and that particular location actually had permanently-installed signs warning of "STAU" = traffic jam). If you look at the on-line ADAC map the large number of work-sites marked will just put you off driving at all! Edited: 28 January 2017, 10:45 Not happened to me and I have driven in Germany many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 I have to say my experience of German roads has been like most of Germany’s transport . very positive, they do seem to have the knack of fixing things without everywhere grinding to a halt . Mind you , they did seem to be doing a helluva lot more maintenance than us , gulley cleaning , drains emptied and spot issues seemed to be dealt with pretty damn quick . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Callum Gilhooley said: I have to say my experience of German roads has been like most of Germany’s transport . very positive, they do seem to have the knack of fixing things without everywhere grinding to a halt . Mind you , they did seem to be doing a helluva lot more maintenance than us , gulley cleaning , drains emptied and spot issues seemed to be dealt with pretty damn quick . Very much my experience also. Been on a section of the auatoban doing 120mph with a Porsche flying past me disappearing into the distance this in the day when sections of the auatoban had no speed limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 10:51 AM, Isle Of Bute Saint said: It's like that all over the country it's called austerity. Spend here you can't spend there even though we all pay road tax well the ones that drive. Unfortunately the road tax(officially vehicle excise duty) is not spent on road maintenance but is part of general taxation. "Motoring taxation is made up of two elements: vehicle excise duty (VED) – a tax on ownership; and fuel duty – a tax on use. Although historically the road fund tax was considered a hypothecated tax to pay for the building and maintenance of the road network, this has not been so since 1937 and it is now a general revenue raising tax." (Extract from House of Commons briefing paper, November 2017.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, smcc said: Unfortunately the road tax(officially vehicle excise duty) is not spent on road maintenance but is part of general taxation. "Motoring taxation is made up of two elements: vehicle excise duty (VED) – a tax on ownership; and fuel duty – a tax on use. Although historically the road fund tax was considered a hypothecated tax to pay for the building and maintenance of the road network, this has not been so since 1937 and it is now a general revenue raising tax." (Extract from House of Commons briefing paper, November 2017.) Did not know that so thank you , suppose it should not come as a surprise though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whydowebother Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I seen this is Paisley this morning ( closest thread I could find relevant ) Quite close to a good Saints reg ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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