magnus Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, TopCat said: And Alan Stubbs wasn’t. Alan Stubbs was a wrecking ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Optimistic Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Stability pays. To get stability you first need to appoint a manager who knows what he is doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mr Optimistic said: To get stability you first need to appoint a manager who knows what he is doing! Before that you need a board that knows what it's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Before that you need a board that knows what it's doing. Feck me Ricky.... controversial or whit..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: Feck me Ricky.... controversial or whit..? If you say-so. We seemed to have brought the board together going into and during JR's time and reaped the benefits of that. Then we allowed chaos to surround thedeparture ofJR and Appointment/.Partibg of the ways with AS. Looks like they are getting their act (and balls) back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 I get this also but at some point we have to stop getting shot of managers, we are the joke of Scottish Football ( trust me I am getting it at work) Look at the Jags, top 6, then relegated , now 1 point above relegation PO and there is a chance they will go down, sack AA bring in Calderwood like OK, McIntyre and McKinnon winless. Look at the teams we want to aspire to Fakes , Well, even Livi, consistency is the key. Geez look at Killie, does anyone every think that Clarke would have considered coming here ? Eh no. I am not saying Oran is the answer, but as long as we keep knee jerking we will never progress. 2003-2014 we had two managers, one B&Q, One League title one League Cup and 9 years in the top flight, wasnt spectacular but effective. 2014 -Present 7 managers- One relegation, one great escape not to be relegated, no cups, ............... and of course one promotion If this club wants to be fan owned its has to have solid foundations, financially and off and on park. Only that way ( Mr Fitzpatrick!!!.) Can we expect to build and progress.I'd suggest that thistle are more a joke than us at the moment as evidenced by your own post.BTW it's no Calderwood, it's Caldwell at Firhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, TPAFKATS said: I'd suggest that thistle are more a joke than us at the moment as evidenced by your own post. BTW it's no Calderwood, it's Caldwell at Firhill. If we needed any reminder what can happen if you get relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 If we needed any reminder what can happen if you get relegated. No one needs reminded of that. Many teams including us struggle after falling into championship.We are one of a few yoyo teams. The bad times make you appreciate the good times, like last season, all the more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st jock Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 And Alan Stubbs wasn’t. How much time would you have given Stubbs? Serious question because, you may find this hard to believe but I remember some numpty starting a Jack Ross must go thread a few weeks after he started, and he didn't have the luxury of bringing in his own players. Crazy eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 hours ago, DougJamie said: I get this also but at some point we have to stop getting shot of managers, we are the joke of Scottish Football ( trust me I am getting it at work) Look at the Jags, top 6, then relegated , now 1 point above relegation PO and there is a chance they will go down, sack AA bring in Calderwood like OK, McIntyre and McKinnon winless. Look at the teams we want to aspire to Fakes , Well, even Livi, consistency is the key. Geez look at Killie, does anyone every think that Clarke would have considered coming here ? Eh no. I am not saying Oran is the answer, but as long as we keep knee jerking we will never progress. 2003-2014 we had two managers, one B&Q, One League title one League Cup and 9 years in the top flight, wasnt spectacular but effective. 2014 -Present 7 managers- One relegation, one great escape not to be relegated, no cups, ............... and of course one promotion If this club wants to be fan owned its has to have solid foundations, financially and off and on park. Only that way ( Mr Fitzpatrick!!!.) Can we expect to build and progress. I agree. I think we need to give Oran Kearney the chance he deserves. I personally am a long way from judging him as I think he has been left an utter shambles. I think the club is in an utter mess at the moment. A lot of it is down to what Jack Ross built and what we lost when he left. Unless it becomes a total shambles I think we should give Kearney the rest of this season and go with him next season even if relegated. I like Kearney and I think he comes across well, I also have a feeling he knows what he's doing but what he has to work with currently is a disaster, with a team that would be lucky to be mid table Championship. He's recruitment so far has been decent with just out of contract players. He hasn't even had a window. He'll have a difficult time in the window also recruiting player to SMFC and getting rid of Stubbs junk who nobody will want. So I think we need to cut Kearney a good bit of slack ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Optimistic Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, lenziebud said: I agree. I think we need to give Oran Kearney the chance he deserves. I personally am a long way from judging him as I think he has been left an utter shambles. I think the club is in an utter mess at the moment. A lot of it is down to what Jack Ross built and what we lost when he left. Unless it becomes a total shambles I think we should give Kearney the rest of this season and go with him next season even if relegated. I like Kearney and I think he comes across well, I also have a feeling he knows what he's doing but what he has to work with currently is a disaster, with a team that would be lucky to be mid table Championship. He's recruitment so far has been decent with just out of contract players. He hasn't even had a window. He'll have a difficult time in the window also recruiting player to SMFC and getting rid of Stubbs junk who nobody will want. So I think we need to cut Kearney a good bit of slack ! I agree that Kearney has to be given time but what needs to happen in your mind for it to be 'a total shambles' because that is exactly how I would describe last nights performance. 1 point from 33...1 point from 36...1 point from 39....1 point from 42........??? Here is my prediction. When the January window opens it will be 1 point from SIXTY!!!!!! That, sadly, is how bad I think we are. Looking at our fixtures (there are 7 games in 29 days in December!!) apart from maybe Dundee (and it's a big maybe) I do not see where a point is coming from never mind 3! Feel sorry for all the fans who went out and bought a record amount of season tickets with their hard earned cash only to be shat on from a great height by the Stubbs appointment and his subsequent disastrous, ridiculous signings!!! A Championship win, the Morgan money, the bonus Mcginn money, the feelgood factor, the bond between fans and players....all completely blown out the water. It's excruciating to watch what has and is happening to our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad saint 2 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 total shambolic display last night lets not kid ourselves we are going down ,no defense,mid,strike force,clown off a keeper ,and what the hell was gotng on with subs at half time on pitch ,watch mothewell subs and coach having routine training ours were having a laugh is this a professional club ,whats going on here new manger second half players changing positions every 5 min ,players need too play too a system whats going on all week at training ,ball being played backwards insteaded off getting forward let the opposition regroup were f**ked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mr Optimistic said: I agree that Kearney has to be given time but what needs to happen in your mind for it to be 'a total shambles' because that is exactly how I would describe last nights performance. 1 point from 33...1 point from 36...1 point from 39....1 point from 42........??? Here is my prediction. When the January window opens it will be 1 point from SIXTY!!!!!! That, sadly, is how bad I think we are. Looking at our fixtures (there are 7 games in 29 days in December!!) apart from maybe Dundee (and it's a big maybe) I do not see where a point is coming from never mind 3! Feel sorry for all the fans who went out and bought a record amount of season tickets with their hard earned cash only to be shat on from a great height by the Stubbs appointment and his subsequent disastrous, ridiculous signings!!! A Championship win, the Morgan money, the bonus Mcginn money, the feelgood factor, the bond between fans and players....all completely blown out the water. It's excruciating to watch what has and is happening to our club. I couldn't agree more but I can't see how this can be landed at Oran Kearney's door. He hasn't a hope in hell of turning it round at the moment. He is about to take all the venom thrown at him that Stubbs should have got. McIntrye who I rate highly as a coach is struggling so far too. Not his fault at all just what he has to work with. With McIntrye at RC and JR at SMFC with their great escapes it wasn't until Feb time that things started to click so Kearney 100% needs the time. Why we never appointed Jim McIntrye in the summer out of the 4 interviewed I'll never know. Edited November 1, 2018 by lenziebud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 There's an extreme amount of knicker wetting and breek pissing going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: No one needs reminded of that. Many teams including us struggle after falling into championship. We are one of a few yoyo teams. The bad times make you appreciate the good times, like last season, all the more. Nothing wrong with being a yo-yo team ,we just don't want to be a double relegation team , Gus should be trying to identify decent player s on the last six months of their contact to put together s decent squad for next season , rather than sign players on short term contracts in the hope of staying up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Lord Pityme said: I hear what you're saying, as always with football fans (yours truly included) we all have a "Fickle Point" which, when breached sees us just want change whatever? If Oran is winless by January the pressure he, board and players will be under will be totally overwhelming. Yeah, agreed. If we do go down, the ideal scenario is that he overhauls the squad, gets some performances out of them, and we go down heroically. That's fairly unlikely, I admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 57 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: There's an extreme amount of knicker wetting and breek pissing going on. Maybe its just a bad dream . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Back in Dublin after a short home visit, and wish I hadn't bothered going to see that mince. That was easily the worst performance I've witnessed since Tommy Craig's time. Not one player even got close to pass marks. From Samson and that first goal (WTF?) to Jackson up front, they were ALL terrible. And as for Edwards?? Why the hell did he feel the need to dive, having got by the defenders! Also wee Mullen needs to focus on winning the ball instead of falling on his arse. How does Willock manage to get shorter when he jumps for a ball? Like an earlier poster, I didn't even realise that Flynn was playing until he got sent off. I hadn't seen Hammill, but heard about his "great deliveries". Didn't see much evidence of those last night. And McGinn seems to have lost whatever drive he had, always playing lazy balls and not finding his man. OK doesn't escape criticism either, as the formation was weird, and the timing of his substitutions was strange to say the least. Something needs to change, and quickly, or we're heading down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 28 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Maybe its just a bad dream . Or maybe it's just the ups and currently downs of following a team like ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, munoz said: Or maybe it's just the ups and currently downs of following a team like ours. True. However we have to the extreme of ups and downs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, munoz said: Or maybe it's just the ups and currently downs of following a team like ours. Don't ruin things by being too realistic. Spin it out a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W6Saint Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 hours ago, st jock said: How much time would you have given Stubbs? Serious question because, you may find this hard to believe but I remember some numpty starting a Jack Ross must go thread a few weeks after he started, and he didn't have the luxury of bringing in his own players. Crazy eh? He doesn’t have an answer for that question. He’s just chosen an agenda to pedal that goes against the grain of opinion that most of the fanbase share, much like a child he feels the need to shout and scream at every opportunity to anybody that will rise to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 The wee fanny that ran on the pitch was fined £200 at Paisley Sheriff Court yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 The wee fanny that ran on the pitch was fined £200 at Paisley Sheriff Court yesterday.Banning order as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: 4 hours ago, HSS said: The wee fanny that ran on the pitch was fined £200 at Paisley Sheriff Court yesterday. Banning order as well? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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