oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, beyond our ken said: the club would likely include the sale of beer in the stadium catering contract schedules, thereby opting for a guaranteed income. The catering supplier would take the risk on but the club would be guaranteed their cut. My estimate would be a pound a pint for the club and an expectation of selling 1500 pints at each lower-tier home game, maybe 3000-4000 at a middle-tier game and up to 7-8000 pints for a sell out. Not everyone buys a pint but most that do will generally have 2-3 each. Even if the club only gets 50p per pint sold that is still a fair sum. it's money they just don't get just now so yes, it really is a no-brainer Those figures are completely unrealistic. There is absolutely no chance of selling 1500 to 8000 pints in one afternoon. For a 4 hour selling window you would be looking at 400 pints per hour at the low end and 2000 pints at the top end. That's around 8 to 40 pints every single minute of those 4 hours. How many staff do you want to hire at £8 per hour? There isn't a pub anywhere selling that amount. As for profit margins, Green King estimate that landlords can make £1.12 on a typical pint of Carling sold at £3.20. There is absolutely no chance the club could then take 50p of that. It's more likely the club would get a fixed fee for the rent of the facility. It might perhaps be possible to get away with charging £20k per annum but that would be a struggle to achieve I think. The club would then need to fund extra policing and a host of other costs from that £20k before paying tax as well. It wouldnt be worth it IMO. Edited October 26, 2018 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: What about the current 1877 club? If, as you're suggesting, that kind of profit is to be going to the club you can bet the prices would be extortionate and, therefore, your figures are pie in the sky as the majority will continue to use other venues in the town, unless you're suggesting they drink 2-3 pints at half time? No brainer, aye, I agree. I use the 1877 Club regularly but have no idea what drinks cost there. Why would that be an issue unless they were ridiculously out of line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: From Oaky's question, I feel he is talking about capital investment (should any be required) Not just that. BOKs figures are completely unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, oaksoft said: Not just that. BOKs figures are completely unrealistic. I get your points Oaky. BYK has a different view. Me - I don't know. What I do feel is that I don't feel ready for alcohol to be widely on sale inside the Ground Proper at this time. So for me an extension of facilities would be the way to go, whether temporary or permanent but with a business case to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: I get your points Oaky. BYK has a different view. You spent an entire career as an International Man of Mystery for businesses everywhere but you can't make a rough estimate of whether selling up to 8000 pints in a 4 hour window is realistic or not? If you spent a career as a business advisor I'd expect you to be able to rule this in or out in terms of potential within a matter of a couple of minutes. Come on R man. A kid could assess this. Is it realistic to suggest we can sell 8000 pints in 4 hours and is it reasonable to assume we could make 50p per pint? Edited October 26, 2018 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Not just that. BOKs figures are completely unrealistic. The size of this establishment would have to be considerable, possibly killing the 1877 club stone dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, faraway saint said: How do you suggest we prevent nutters getting served at football matches? If they have got a particular colour of football top on, easy. They all wear them. Edited October 26, 2018 by pod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I know at Borussia Dortmund they shift 30-40,000 pints per game. Its a financial no-brainer. at Sunderland its very popular too, i think £4 for a pint, £4.50 for a bottle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: I know at Borussia Dortmund they shift 30-40,000 pints per game. Its a financial no-brainer. at Sunderland its very popular too, i think £4 for a pint, £4.50 for a bottle? Is it a plastic bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorizaar Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, beyond our ken said: the club would likely include the sale of beer in the stadium catering contract schedules, thereby opting for a guaranteed income. The catering supplier would take the risk on but the club would be guaranteed their cut. My estimate would be a pound a pint for the club and an expectation of selling 1500 pints at each lower-tier home game, maybe 3000-4000 at a middle-tier game and up to 7-8000 pints for a sell out. Not everyone buys a pint but most that do will generally have 2-3 each. Even if the club only gets 50p per pint sold that is still a fair sum. it's money they just don't get just now so yes, it really is a no-brainer Is your keyboard adding zeros on in error? That can be the only reason for these fantasy figures. Edited October 27, 2018 by Thorizaar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: I know at Borussia Dortmund they shift 30-40,000 pints per game. Its a financial no-brainer. Not sure what relevance that has to Saints. Those Dortmund fans are not queueing up for the delights of Tennents Lager either. Would be interested in seeing where those figures come from. Edited October 26, 2018 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: I know at Borussia Dortmund they shift 30-40,000 pints per game. Its a financial no-brainer. at Sunderland its very popular too, i think £4 for a pint, £4.50 for a bottle? What crowds do they get? To save you looking it up.............average attendance over 79,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, oaksoft said: To feed an addiction? Out of habit? Because if all your mates are doing it and you don't, you are going to be pretty lonely at home? To get pissed? To fill a hole in their otherwise depressing lives? Who knows. What I do know is that struggling to get through 90 minutes of football is a sign of a drink problem. I also know that sinking pints in 10 to 15 minutes is binge behaviour. Pretending both of these things is perfectly normal is a classic exercise in absolute denial. If you want to call any of this an illness I am happy to agree. So by your logic, everyone that has a pint is either addicted, lonely or depressed? You really do chat some absolute pish The length of time it takes to drink a beer can vary on the type of beer, whether you're having it with a meal, standing up etc. 10-15 minutes is perfectly acceptable. I don't even know why anyone would need to justify this. 15 minutes is more than enough time to enjoy a drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doakes said: So by your logic, everyone that has a pint is either addicted, lonely or depressed? You really do chat some absolute pish The length of time it takes to drink a beer can vary on the type of beer, whether you're having it with a meal, standing up etc. 10-15 minutes is perfectly acceptable. I don't even know why anyone would need to justify this. 15 minutes is more than enough time to enjoy a drink Sp, you go out for a night, 4 hours, and drink 16-24 pints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Doakes said: So by your logic, everyone that has a pint is either addicted, lonely or depressed? You really do chat some absolute pish The length of time it takes to drink a beer can vary on the type of beer, whether you're having it with a meal, standing up etc. 10-15 minutes is perfectly acceptable. I don't even know why anyone would need to justify this. 15 minutes is more than enough time to enjoy a drink A pint? Why would you think I was referring to a single pint? The only way to "enjoy" a pint in 10 to 15 minutes is to pretty much neck it. Maybe when you are a bit more grown up and experience a wider range of cultures you'll understand this a bit better. I can only assume you are talking from a lack of experience here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Sp, you go out for a night, 4 hours, and drink 16-24 pints? It is unbelieveable how he can't take the 15 seconds to do the most basic of arithmetic. I am amazed how him and his mates find time to actually talk amongst all that guzzling. When I was a kid, the rugby playing locals used to drink at this rate. They did it to get pissed. Starting at 7pm they'd be pissed by 8.30pm having had 6 pints. So I am talking from years of experience of being around that culture and seeing how it broke people. Doakes wants us to truly believe that this sort of behaviour isn't a drinking problem at all. It is truly bizarre. Edited October 26, 2018 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Sp, you go out for a night, 4 hours, and drink 16-24 pints? The drinking is not the issue , its being able to stand , speak or remember who the feck you are . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlucifer Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: To feed an addiction? Out of habit? Because if all your mates are doing it and you don't, you are going to be pretty lonely at home? To get pissed? To fill a hole in their otherwise depressing lives? Who knows. What I do know is that struggling to get through 90 minutes of football is a sign of a drink problem. I also know that sinking pints in 10 to 15 minutes is binge behaviour. Pretending both of these things is perfectly normal is a classic exercise in absolute denial. If you want to call any of this an illness I am happy to agree. There are many reasons for having a pint or two. Not everyone who indulges is a full blown alcoholic. In fact. Perhaps introducing drink to the ground might be productive as people won't be so bothered about leaving home early to catch the pub and meet up for pre match beer. And, as far as I'm concerned, the part underlined, well that are a load of pish! Edited October 26, 2018 by stlucifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, linwood buddie said: The drinking is not the issue , its being able to stand , speak or remember who the feck you are . That's not taking into account toilet time...................which would be considerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, faraway saint said: Sp, you go out for a night, 4 hours, and drink 16-24 pints? Of course not that's why I mentioned it can vary depending on where you are, who you're with - if you're drinking with a meal , in a pub etc... You can vary how long it takes you to finish a drink , this doesn't make you lonely, depressed or an alcoholic as Oaky would have us all believe! 29 minutes ago, oaksoft said: A pint? Why would you think I was referring to a single pint? The only way to "enjoy" a pint in 10 to 15 minutes is to pretty much neck it. Maybe when you are a bit more grown up and experience a wider range of cultures you'll understand this a bit better. I can only assume you are talking from a lack of experience here. 25 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It is unbelieveable how he can't take the 15 seconds to do the most basic of arithmetic. I am amazed how him and his mates find time to actually talk amongst all that guzzling. When I was a kid, the rugby playing locals used to drink at this rate. They did it to get pissed. Starting at 7pm they'd be pissed by 8.30pm having had 6 pints. So I am talking from years of experience of being around that culture and seeing how it broke people. Doakes wants us to truly believe that this sort of behaviour isn't a drinking problem at all. It is truly bizarre. You are incredibly self righteous, Oaky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambud Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 The levels of denial are staggering but it's not surprising to hear it. First you don't see how struggling to go 90 minutes without a beer when you can drink plenty before and after the game is the very definition of a drinking problem. Then you are talking about 10 to 15 being more than enough time to drink a pint. To top it up, you are clearly saying that an absence of beer in the middle of the day makes life less enjoyable. I have to tell you that none of this is normal behaviour. None of it represents a healthy attitude towards alcohol. So because people want to have a choice they are an alcoholic and in denial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Clearly this is an emotive subject. As a non drinker I wouldn't want to make rules up for everyone or be unduly judgemental but it does seem that most of those posting in favour appear to think that having 3,4,5,6 or more drinks might be normal. As for a business case, I still couldn't say but I would still prefer a slowly, slowly approach to any changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: You spent an entire career as an International Man of Mystery for businesses everywhere but you can't make a rough estimate of whether selling up to 8000 pints in a 4 hour window is realistic or not? If you spent a career as a business advisor I'd expect you to be able to rule this in or out in terms of potential within a matter of a couple of minutes. Come on R man. A kid could assess this. Is it realistic to suggest we can sell 8000 pints in 4 hours and is it reasonable to assume we could make 50p per pint? I know nothing about the business Oaky. 2000 pints an hour however is over 30 pints per minute or 1 pint every two seconds. That in itself would be difficult to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: I know nothing about the business Oaky. 2000 pints an hour however is over 30 pints per minute or 1 pint every two seconds. That in itself would be difficult to say the least. Difficult? Even Doakes culdnae drink that fast. Edited October 26, 2018 by faraway saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilberto Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I enjoy a few pints before and after the fitba and would have a pint at my seat at the game if that was allowed. It never will be tho. The idea of trying to tan a pint in 5 minutes at half time after queuing for 10 mins sounds awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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