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Livingston v St Mirren 8 December 2018


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Yet another terrible result for OK to add to his already burgeoning selection of shockers.

Sounds like we got what we deserved again.

The fact that Livi are also on their 2nd manager of the season but are 16 points ahead of us despite having played a game less is as good a sign of how bad we’ve been this season than anything.

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1 minute ago, faraway saint said:

The miracle that Ross produced won't be reproduced this season.

Different league, we need to hang in, if we let Hamilton get a gap we're doomed to a play off at best. 

 

Given all that’s happened I would take achieving a play off currently.

Any other year either ourselves or Dundee would be well adrift, thankfully we’re both as poor as each other - 2 of the worst Premiership sides in recent memory.

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Many are speculating on who leaves in January.

Here's the real question. Who in the squad at the moment, would be a first  XI pick after January on the basis that we improve in the upcoming window?

For me, Magennis (if fit), P.McGinn (if fit), Ferdinand (erm....if fit), Hammill (if still here) and Jackson are the only guys in that squad I'd say are definitely cut out for Premiership football and consistently good enough.

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Many are speculating on who leaves in January.

Here's the real question. Who in the squad at the moment, would be a first  XI pick after January on the basis that we improve in the upcoming window?

For me, Magennis (if fit), P.McGinn (if fit), Ferdinand (erm....if fit), Hammill (if still here) and Jackson are the only guys in that squad I'd say are definitely cut out for Premiership football and consistently good enough.
I would add mcginn and maybe jones to that
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It was always going to be difficult to form the shite that Allan Stubbs signed in to a team, but OK can carry part of the blame today for letting Samson walk out the door and leaving us without a goalkeeper!

Roll on the transfer window!

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5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

The miracle that Ross produced won't be reproduced this season.

Different league, we need to hang in, if we let Hamilton get a gap we're doomed to a play off at best. 

 

The same Ross miracle that left us with half a  squad for this season that's not fit for purpose - the other half were already on their way under Ross.

The Stubbs debacle that followed did not help.

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8 minutes ago, Kemp said:

OK can carry part of the blame today for letting Samson walk out the door and leaving us without a goalkeeper!

Deary me, why keep a player who wants to leave? 

You are right though, we were definitely winning plenty when Samson was here right enough...

Oh and FYI we have 2 goalkeepers.

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3 minutes ago, TopCat said:

Does that still work even though Livi are also on their third manager since promotion or...?

Nice try but no cigar as none of them were Allan Stubbs.

In any case, Livingston never allowed their previous manager to sign a plethora of lower league duds (instead they signed a handful of decent improvements to the squad) before being shipped out the door, unfortunately we did.

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2 minutes ago, northstbuddie said:

The same Ross miracle that left us with half a  squad for this season that's not fit for purpose - the other half were already on their way under Ross.

The Stubbs debacle that followed did not help.

True but Ross had identified players to sign, the question is why weren’t they brought in........probably because the club knew he was leaving but we did still have guys like Halkett lined up.

Since we won the league we had plenty of time to get a squad together, yet Livi have done a far better job despite having to come up via a play off and losing their manager too. Like you I feel there are plenty of places to apportion blame for what we are seeing right now and that must include the board. 

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1 minute ago, W6Saint said:

Nice try but no cigar as none of them were Allan Stubbs.

In any case, Livingston never allowed their previous manager to sign a plethora of lower league duds (instead they signed a handful of decent improvements to the squad) before being shipped out the door, unfortunately we did.

But we've got OK, he's a great manager, he'll turn things around. :blink:

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20 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Don't ya just wish you hadn't posted? 

Not really. Were we ever 1-0 up in a league game at HT under you-know-who this season?

We've gone from looking unlikely to take a point against anyone bar Dundee, to now giving ourselves a chance. I do think one of our potentially fatal weaknesses this season in terms of premiership survival is taking 0 points against the teams around us - eg Livi beat us at home and went on a great run which might be enough to keep them safe for the season, Accies 2 wins against us have lifted them 4 points clear of us, Motherwell went on a short decent run of wins after getting their first win against us.

Under Kearney we have an odd habit of doing well against some of the better teams in the league, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs whilst looking miles behind Hamilton, Livingston and Motherwell in the big 'relegation 6 pointers'.

Maybe the way forward is to have Kearney as manager for the first half followed by you-know-who in charge for the second half? :P

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1 minute ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Not really. Were we ever 1-0 up in a league game at HT under you-know-who this season?

We've gone from looking unlikely to take a point against anyone bar Dundee, to now giving ourselves a chance. I do think one of our potentially fatal weaknesses this season in terms of premiership survival is taking 0 points against the teams around us - eg Livi beat us at home and went on a great run which might be enough to keep them safe for the season, Accies 2 wins against us have lifted them 4 points clear of us, Motherwell went on a short decent run of wins after getting their first win against us.

Under Kearney we have an odd habit of doing well against some of the better teams in the league, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs whilst looking miles behind Hamilton, Livingston and Motherwell in the big 'relegation 6 pointers'.

Maybe the way forward is to have Kearney as manager for the first half followed by you-know-who in charge for the second half? :P

Nice try.

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7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Keeper was weak at both the first and the third goals

The keeper is garbage a blind man could see that after the game against Sunderland..  has Oran seen the tape of that game ?  probably not as he`s playing him.  has Rodgers actually made a save yet ? ? ?  we really are in big trouble...  unless maybe we can persuade Sir Alex out of retirement, could probably be doing with another first team coach  :( 

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3 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

The keeper is garbage a blind man could see that after the game against Sunderland..  has Oran seen the tape of that game ?  probably not as he`s playing him.  has Rodgers actually made a save yet ? ? ?  we really are in big trouble...  unless maybe we can persuade Sir Alex out of retirement, could probably be doing with another first team coach  :( 

Well, he did make a couple of good saves against Hearts.  Agree he's not good enough, though he doesn't really get much protection from the guys in front of him.

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7 minutes ago, portmahomack saint said:

The keeper is garbage a blind man could see that after the game against Sunderland..  has Oran seen the tape of that game ?  probably not as he`s playing him.  has Rodgers actually made a save yet ? ? ?  we really are in big trouble...  unless maybe we can persuade Sir Alex out of retirement, could probably be doing with another first team coach  :( 

If we were basing our selections off that game we’d be out on Greenhill Road at 2pm every other Saturday asking who has boots.

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9 hours ago, faraway saint said:

Livie forum quite decent, except the trumpet that said Sam(p)son was our weak link. :lol:

We get the first goal and I think they will crack.

Exciting. 

http://liviroom.forumotion.com/t657-livi-v-st-mirren

Called that right

Saft as shite

0/12 from games against Livi and Hamilton nowhere good enough

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20 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Not really. Were we ever 1-0 up in a league game at HT under you-know-who this season?

We've gone from looking unlikely to take a point against anyone bar Dundee, to now giving ourselves a chance. I do think one of our potentially fatal weaknesses this season in terms of premiership survival is taking 0 points against the teams around us - eg Livi beat us at home and went on a great run which might be enough to keep them safe for the season, Accies 2 wins against us have lifted them 4 points clear of us, Motherwell went on a short decent run of wins after getting their first win against us.

Under Kearney we have an odd habit of doing well against some of the better teams in the league, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs whilst looking miles behind Hamilton, Livingston and Motherwell in the big 'relegation 6 pointers'.

Maybe the way forward is to have Kearney as manager for the first half followed by you-know-who in charge for the second half? :P

While we've "done well" against Hearts and Hibs you have failed to mention they were both in free fall when we played them, not quite on their early season form.

It's hard to see us getting a win before the end of the year, the Hibs game and todays game were, IMO, our best chance of getting wins before the January break. 

I do like your last idea, you're a tactical genius. :wink:

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