djchapsticks Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, kevo_smfc said: I think if Alfie was to leave, must be a sign that we have a replacement lined up. Let's not forget, he hadnt played first team football before arriving here, so he is still learning. We are in a relegation fight and he holds a key area on the field playing just in front of the goalie. He has only started to come on to a game though he still has some traits that show his lack of experience. There is a possibility OK wants a more experienced head in his centre half pairing? If Jones does go, on the basis that Ferdinand and Kpekawa are also away and Mac isn't fit until February, you'd need to think we're looking at two centre halves considering we're moving four on. Would leave us with Baird and Mac, so definitely two required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Need to start seeing a few players coming in next week. We certainly have managed to get a few out, which isn't as easy as it sounds. Let's see what Jimmy, Gus, Oran and Brian's contacts are like, Thinking 8 players in might be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Not reading too much into Josh Heaton want the big man to kick on come back here and be a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, MenstrieSaint said: Need to start seeing a few players coming in next week. We certainly have managed to get a few out, which isn't as easy as it sounds. Let's see what Jimmy, Gus, Oran and Brian's contacts are like, Thinking 8 players in might be possible. Can't see 8 Oran has said 4 maybe 5 only wants a squad of 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Not reading too much into Josh Heaton want the big man to kick on come back here and be a success. He'll not be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, HSS said: He'll not be back. Is that 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Is that 100% It's my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 I 100% agree with HSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 I wonder if we are covering all the wages or if Kidderminster are contributing anything towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portmahomack saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cornwall_Saint said: I wonder if we are covering all the wages or if Kidderminster are contributing anything towards it. Are you being serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, portmahomack saint said: Are you being serious What’s wrong with that question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MenstrieSaint Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Can't see 8 Oran has said 4 maybe 5 only wants a squad of 22. We seem to be off loading players at some rate, and my feeling is we might go for four or five experienced players and expect them to slot in and make the team more solid and harder to beat, and maybe take a chance with three or four young loan players in the hope that one of them can provide something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargsBud Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, djchapsticks said: Seems our Josh is both a wee bit bitter and intent on burning bridges with 'that particular club'. Someone needs to have a word in his ear and remind him he's still our player for the next two years. Don't think we want to emphasise that. If he doesn't want to be with us and wants out then great! The sooner we can get him off the books the better and I'm sure the club are trying their best to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, HSS said: It's my opinion. I 100% agree its HSS's opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo_j Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Not too bothered about Jones going either, if anything is to be made of the ‘storm in a teacup’. if we genuinely want to improve then we need better than Jones at CH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the lad Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Thought big Buchanan had a good game last night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Not reading too much into Josh Heaton want the big man to kick on come back here and be a success. Both Josh and Cody Cooke were based on their ability of playing at National region league football. That is where Josh has ended up back at. If we have someone within our backroom staff assessing him from now till end of the season, I am sure there will be a fair judgement on him. Could end up being a key player for Kidderminster as they chase promotion, comes back a refresher player full of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumboBud Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Not reading too much into Josh Heaton want the big man to kick on come back here and be a success. No matter what league we are in it is difficult to imagine him returning ready to step into the team after playing at that level for another half season. On the plus side if we can manage to get someone to take him off our hands then we should be ok to off load the others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 43 minutes ago, kevo_smfc said: Both Josh and Cody Cooke were based on their ability of playing at National region league football. That is where Josh has ended up back at. If we have someone within our backroom staff assessing him from now till end of the season, I am sure there will be a fair judgement on him. Could end up being a key player for Kidderminster as they chase promotion, comes back a refresher player full of confidence. I don't think confidence is his problem - ability is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) I am sure it will. Be easy to assess if we are spending significantly less going by the number of players moved out, versus those moved in. And the quality, and background any new/loan signing comes from. for example if ten go out including Hammil & Ferdinand, but only four come in, none of whom have the obvious quality and background of those two, then its reasonable to assume the budget has been slashed. If we bring in four big hitters like those two, then it's reasonable to assume the budget has Been trimmed. all the costs associated with hiring, then firing Stubbs and his team, paying compo for Oran and Rice, also Heaton wasted transfer fee, and the unplanned big cash splash to bring Hammil, Ferdinand and Jackson in has to be balanced somehow! do you think we have a magic money tree? There will be less than half coming in, than going out the board, the manager and now even Div are "on message" to manage those expectations. It is a harsh reality, the board have wasted a fortune in unthought through panic since Ross left, and now they have to try to balance the books. dont be surprised if an offer for Magennis is made and accepted at the last minute this month. so far Samson, Coulson, Cooke, Willock, Kirkpatrick, Heaton, McShane, Hammil and Brock-Madsen have gone off the wage bill, with more to follow, but as yet none in! Edited January 5, 2019 by Lord Pityme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E=Mc2 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 9:01 AM, Magic Monkey said: Certainly wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened - did you read about Oxlade-Chamberlain's mental contract at Arsenal? https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alex-oxlade-chamberlains-bizarre-contract-13783498 Darlo might have been due a payment when he made his first league appearance. Given that the League Cup groups were glorified friendlies, there is likely to have been an exemption for those. It all makes a lot of sense. Well, these days, anyone going on as a sub on the 71st or 72nd, or even 73rd minute would play for 20 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Jack the lad said: Thought big Buchanan had a good game last night! He actually did. I was hoping Draper and Fraser would have starred but neither was that impressive. Nor was McKay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: I am sure it will. Be easy to assess if we are spending significantly less going by the number of players moved out, versus those moved in. And the quality, and background any new/loan signing comes from. for example if ten go out including Hammil & Ferdinand, but only four come in, none of whom have the obvious quality and background of those two, then its reasonable to assume the budget has been slashed. If we bring in four big hitters like those two, then it's reasonable to assume the budget has Been trimmed. all the costs associated with hiring, then firing Stubbs and his team, paying compo for Oran and Rice, also Heaton wasted transfer fee, and the unplanned big cash splash to bring Hammil, Ferdinand and Jackson in has to be balanced somehow! do you think we have a magic money tree? There will be less than half coming in, than going out the board, the manager and now even Div are "on message" to manage those expectations. It is a harsh reality, the board have wasted a fortune in unthought through panic since Ross left, and now they have to try to balance the books. dont be surprised if an offer for Magennis is made and accepted at the last minute this month. so far Samson, Coulson, Cooke, Willock, Kirkpatrick, Heaton, McShane, Hammil and Brock-Madsen have gone off the wage bill, with more to follow, but as yet none in! You are having a mare M8. 1. Your assumptions are making an ASS out of U and not ME. The budget is the budget - it is not suddenly going to be slashed or trimmed and there are loads of ways to balance a budget. 2. you ASSUME that 4 guys on a wage like Hammill was purported to be on, say £3000 - 3500 a week will mean trimming the budget. The wage bill currently has fallen very healthily with 8 players out - not the 9 you have listed - Cooke is still here. As well as saving Hammill's wages, Samson, and McShane would certainly have been on decent Premiership money and the majority of rest of them would not have been on below average wages for this league. 3. Are you guessing that we over-spent in the first half of the season and now need to run the second half on much less money? If so you are presuming our BOD are bad managers, and presumably you think this because they brought in Stubbs and his team? Pay-offs would be made from contingency funds. Other that that mistake, they have done pretty decent - promotion, fast acting to change the situation when they realised Stubbs was not what he presented at the interview, a new team who have kept us in with a chance of survival, and who are off-loading those who offer us little going forward etc. etc. 4. Not many teams sign players while they are clearly injured - Magennis is good but no use while unfit. He has not played that much this season - don't you think people would want to know that he is over his injury problems and fit before they took a risk? 5. The only way to know finance details would be to see how much we are spending is to have all the data - I don't and I know that you don't either - so unless you are expecting someone who actually knows to make this available, which seems highly unlikely, then your suppositions are meaningless. The None in so far is absolutely fine. Hamilton (2 players out - and no rumours of any targets), Motherwell (2 away and possibly signing McCormack IF he proves his fitness) and Dundee (7 away, and targeting Fraser from the division below) are not particularly worrying for me. It is not how quick signings are made that matters, it is getting the right ones - if that takes time, we have 3 weeks... They will be announced when the details are finalised. For now we wait in anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornwall_Saint Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said: The None in so far is absolutely fine. Hamilton (2 players out - and no rumours of any targets), Motherwell (2 away and possibly signing McCormack IF he proves his fitness) and Dundee (7 away, and targeting Fraser from the division below) are not particularly worrying for me. It is not how quick signings are made that matters, it is getting the right ones - if that takes time, we have 3 weeks... They will be announced when the details are finalised. For now we wait in anticipation. McCormack has literally just been announced as signed on loan. I’m not overly concerned, I haven’t considered Motherwell a part of this battle for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo_smfc Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 We also made money on the transfer of Ross Stewart, so surely that would have subsidised some of the Heaton transfer if not, what we have paid of it so far. Stubbs most likely could have brought in one or two more, though the board seen trusting him with anymore of a budget was a major risk when he couldn't even identify a striker, a creative midfielder or winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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