oaksoft Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, beyond our ken said: Who the hell are you to bring people’s employment status into a fitba discussion? that is shameful You appear to have forgotten to ask me to issue a full apology? Go and be outraged elsewhere foul beast. This is a forum for adults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Kemp said: Well thats life. I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright. While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players. I think in an ideal world you are absolutely right. The McGinn money should have been an investment opportunity for us. Unfortunately the Stubbs debacle absolutely killed that stone dead. There's absolutely no guarantee that this collection of signings is going to save us. End of the day we are in a league of three with only one guaranteed survival spot and the other two clubs have both been in this division longer than we have. We've rolled the dice and very much taken a punt. If it succeeds it will be a miracle on par with what we achieved in 2016-2017. If it fails then at least we can very quickly clear the decks in the summer and start to rebuild properly in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, div said: I think in an ideal world you are absolutely right. The McGinn money should have been an investment opportunity for us. Unfortunately the Stubbs debacle absolutely killed that stone dead. There's absolutely no guarantee that this collection of signings is going to save us. End of the day we are in a league of three with only one guaranteed survival spot and the other two clubs have both been in this division longer than we have. We've rolled the dice and very much taken a punt. If it succeeds it will be a miracle on par with what we achieved in 2016-2017. If it fails then at least we can very quickly clear the decks in the summer and start to rebuild properly in the Championship. The only fly in that ointment will be the level of financial damage we have sustained. If it is as big as we fear then we'll be in trouble whatever division we end up in because the summer rebuild will be affected. I would love to be in a position to see a trial balance sheet and profit and loss account right now. Trying not to thin k about that too much though as I think we've had enough negativity for a whole season. Edited February 1, 2019 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doakes Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out Off the top of my head, the only 2 players we've got tied down on longer term deals are Magennis and Erhahon? Edited February 1, 2019 by Doakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Doakes said: Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out Stay in the premiership we will be fine with the reported 100 million from sky the premiership will become the land of milk and honey. I'm sure the McGinn money has taken a huge hit and probably ( hopfully) save our season. Even in life we get hit with unexpected financial bills. The clear out had to be done the backroon staff have clearly worked their cotton socks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Well, yes there is that. I've always been a big fan of Shaktar Karagandy, Sint Truiden, and Slovan Liberec. Hopefully, this is the start of a long term relationship with these impressive clubs (Aye, I'm sure they could all beat us before someone takes this seriously) Beat us? They could all have humped us pre January and you have elected to not mention Derby, Brighton and Dynamo Bucharest. I like the business we have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmac Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Never fear, SMiSA's here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kemp said: Well thats life. I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright. While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players. Surely all we needed to do was supplement last season's brilliant squad with a couple of signings? After all, Livi are sitting comfortably in the table with the exact same players they had in League One plus a couple of Partick Thistle rejects and our squad finished way ahead of them..... I await the usual abuse. Edited February 1, 2019 by Wendy Saintss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Stay in the premiership we will be fine with the reported 100 million from sky the premiership will become the land of milk and honey. I'm sure the McGinn money has taken a huge hit and probably ( hopfully) save our season. Even in life we get hit with unexpected financial bills. The clear out had to be done the backroon staff have clearly worked their cotton socks off. Wee bit optimistic there big man! The new TV deal is worth about £30m a season and it doesn't start until season 20/21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, oaksoft said: The only fly in that ointment will be the level of financial damage we have sustained. If it is as big as we fear then we'll be in trouble whatever division we end up in because the summer rebuild will be affected. I would love to be in a position to see a trial balance sheet and profit and loss account right now. Trying not to thin k about that too much though as I think we've had enough negativity for a whole season. Yeah I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority of the McGinn money will be gone. A big opportunity missed sadly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doakes said: Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out Off the top of my head, the only 2 players we've got tied down on longer term deals are Magennis and Erhahon? Sound analysis Doakes. Not accidental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, melmac said: Never fear, SMiSA's here. The Tractor Boys? not heard the vote result yet, cold they be stalling to perhaps have a 'People's Vote' to help pay for big Duckie's left thigh till the end of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnus Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, div said: Yeah I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority of the McGinn money will be gone. A big opportunity missed sadly! Definately a very bad error of judgement by the Board. If the McGinn money was nearly a million (?) I can't see how the Stubbs debacle could have blown all of it. What salaries were those guys on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Gilhooley Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Job lot of Calendars for sale . Contact Mr C Kennedy . [emoji848] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, beyond our ken said: Can I just say that the footage of DN reminds me more than a little of Barry lavety's style, which is all good by me Like Basher, he's got a big backside. Ideal in this league for holding off over-tactile defenders. They always said Paul Scholes' arse was his secret weapon, you know. On many of Nazon's goals, it's how quickly he shoots that has got me excited (even more than his big backside). He seems to take his chances early. We have got to get this guy the support and service he needs. This clip - watch how early he strikes the ball on most the goals he scores. Edited February 1, 2019 by Magic Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Doakes said: Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out Off the top of my head, the only 2 players we've got tied down on longer term deals are Magennis and Erhahon? I think Hladky and Tansey are on 18 month deals - Heaton on a 3 year deal but by the summer it will be 2 more. Not sure about guys like MacPherson but suspect he will not be on better than Championship money yet anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st jock Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Certainly a gamble but one that had to be made. With the squad we had we were going straight down. Unfortunately due to the Stubbs fiasco we have now spent more than we should have. We will still have a team to support next season. Following saints is more downs than ups as we all know. Let's enjoy the ride [emoji41] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, div said: Yeah I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority of the McGinn money will be gone. A big opportunity missed sadly! I concede that you are far more likely to have heard comments internally that I will - but assuming can be very different from the reality. We could each trot out what cost us and where we gained income from various things etc. But have we as yet had the vast majority of the McGinn money? Was it paid in 2 or 3 tranches etc.? I do think we got a number of bigger earners off the books and to date we are paying 10 instead of 16 previously. As well as this where we finish in the league can change what funds we gain at the end of the season too. What I am really asking is how much is this your assumption, I know based on a number of things that have happened OR based on folk internally dropping this idea with some serious concern? Did we not set off with the budget before we knew that the McGinn money was coming our way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Magic Monkey said: Like Basher, he's got a big backside. Ideal in this league for holding off over-tactile defenders. They always said Paul Scholes' arse was his secret weapon, you know. On many of Nazon's goals, it's how quickly he shoots that has got me excited (even more than his big backside). He seems to take his chances early. We have got to get this guy the support and service he needs. A few mentions of this guy's rear end there MM! A few goals won't go amiss. Feed the Duck. (Hope he doesn't dive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil85 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Wendy Saintss said: So, in order to prove that Div didn't say what he did, you've quoted what he said.... and then made up something that LPM said and didn't quote it! Brilliant! If you read back, you'll see I clearly stated if Div had quoted the same as LPM which was that we would bring in a 'maximum' of three players, he'd be wrong. It was soon confirmed you comparing what he said to LPM was incorrect. I shared the screenshot that he didn't mention about more players leaving and that meaning more would come in (which Div had said) I even shared LPM stating 10 or more leaving was 'fantasy' What do you think I made up that he said? You're obviously too proud to admit you've been proven wrong. That doesn't change the fact though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper07 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: A few mentions of this guy's rear end there MM! A few goals won't go amiss. Feed the Duck. (Hope he doesn't dive) I might be in the minority but an occasional dive if it brings us points in I am okay with - it will balance up against those in other teams who do likewise to us. So if he dives I am fine with that but I hope is that he does not bomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said: I might be in the minority but an occasional dive if it brings us points in I am okay with - it will balance up against those in other teams who do likewise to us. So if he dives I am fine with that but I hope is that he does not bomb It was a play on words Sweeper as in "Ducking and Diving " but I get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawn Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Far too many new signings for individual new songs you’d think so why not squeeze them all into one! Do you Remember? When Stubbsy got sacked in September, After filling the squad with pretenders Four months later and they’re all awaaaaay.... oh oh oh We’ve got Tansey and Hladky oh oh oh Jordan Holmes and Bradley oh oh oh They were Muzek to our ears!!!! Oh oh oh Dreyer and Popescu oh oh oh McAllister and Corbu oh oh oh Nazon saved us all from tears!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrok Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Surely all we needed to do was supplement last season's brilliant squad with a couple of signings? After all, Livi are sitting comfortably in the table with the exact same players they had in League One plus a couple of Partick Thistle rejects and our squad finished way ahead of them..... I await the usual abuse. Go and support livi then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the lad Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, magnus said: Definately a very bad error of judgement by the Board. If the McGinn money was nearly a million (?) I can't see how the Stubbs debacle could have blown all of it. What salaries were those guys on? Big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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