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The Netflix show was a fly-on-the-wall running of a football Club which is being repeated with a new owner, chief exec, manager and backroom staff for this season.

And I believe that our first three striker targets were all serious intentions with one turning up in Paisley to sign with his Agent phoning him at the last minute telling him not to as he had a better deal for him. What you want and what you get are different things.

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6 minutes ago, magnus said:

I am more hopeful. The majority of these guys come from some pretty impressive clubs. I'm hoping this counts for something.

Well, yes there is that.

I've always been a big fan of Shaktar Karagandy, Sint Truiden, and Slovan Liberec. Hopefully, this is the start of a long term relationship with these impressive clubs :lol:

(Aye, I'm sure they could all beat us before someone takes this seriously)

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2 minutes ago, Sonny said:

What you want and what you get are different things.

 

Well thats life.

I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright.

While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players.

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Whatever the percentage is, we've brought in more players than I expected that's for sure.

Think the injuries to Hodson and Rogers forced that a bit. The cup victory will have added a few quid to the coffers and the loss of the Chipper wage will have helped too.

Either way, this year we are going to record a thundering loss in the accounts :unsure:

Still, fuck it, it's exciting and hopefully we can make a good fist of staying up!

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

I think you'll find my posts have been completely in line with your nonsense. 

‘So, close to half. LPM is correct IMO. 

‘Div also said that we'd only recruit 3 to 4 players at the same time as LPM. They both said that to recruit more players then more would need to leave.

 LPM did not say more would need to leave, I quoted what he said. LPM said less than half, he was by no means close

‘8/16 = 50% = exactly half. No spin required! Thanks’

Two additional signings last night clearly mean even by your warped take on it, he was  wrong.

‘So, going by your interpretation, its 8/15. Nor far off half!’ ‘There have been 8 January arrivals and 16 were shipped out for them. That's half!’

Willing to admit that by any definition now it was wrong?

Deary me! :lol:

You're having a mare!

Posting more drivel won't alter the massive hole you fell into! :1eye

 

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1 hour ago, bazil85 said:

That's just simply not true is it? To clarify, the bits in bold were you :rolleyes:

So, in order to prove that Div didn't say what he did, you've quoted what he said....

and then made up something that LPM said and didn't quote it!

Brilliant! :lol:

 

 

Edited by Wendy Saintss

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24 minutes ago, Kemp said:

Well thats life.

I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright.

While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players.

At the moment I do not think we are looking any further than the next 5 months to keep us in this League - experienced players required. Wherever we end up after that we have a better chance in the summer to develop a squad. January is all about fault fixing for us.

And Sow for example has played under Robbie Neilson twice before which has had a major bearing on where he ended up. Just like we had targeted Lewis and he ended up with his ex-manager instead. Personally I think we have played it right. It is a gamble but that is the situation we are in.

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1 minute ago, Sonny said:

At the moment I do not think we are looking any further than the next 5 months to keep us in this League - experienced players required. Wherever we end up after that we have a better chance in the summer to develop a squad. January is all about fault fixing for us.

And Sow for example has played under Robbie Neilson twice before which has had a major bearing on where he ended up. Just like we had targeted Lewis and he ended up with his ex-manager instead. Personally I think we have played it right. It is a gamble but that is the situation we are in.

I think the issue is everyone seems to have been saying (incl the club) that it wouldnt be Oran's team till this window, and an unrealistic expectation was built up that he could emulate Jack Ross in Jan 2017. At that time we splashed the cash, but that was to bring in players who were coming from in the main a higher level of football.

this time round, we live in hope. But we dont even know if Oran (or anyone) has seen any of the foreign guys actually play?

now we are hearing "but January is such a difficult window" and ""these new guys are only here for four months". That means a helluva a lot of money has been spent since Ross went, and we will be even more unsettled as a result, and just praying that somewhere amongst these hundreds of thousands of pounds we have bought a dodgy, injury time, smacked off someone's butt and went in play off winner...!

MoneyBall my feckin arse! It seems any of us could have assembled these recruits with a sim only mobile deal.

dont expect anything tomorrow, but we need a result against motherwell, especially if Dundee beat Hamilton.

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3 hours ago, St.Ricky said:

Three games in the next week should help.

Of course we still have the unavoidable hurdles of Ibrox, Pittodrie and Tynecastle to overcome.

If we can get through that lot without being cut adrift I think we'll be in with a great chance.

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2 hours ago, beyond our ken said:

Who the hell are you to bring people’s employment status into a fitba discussion?

that is shameful 

You appear to have forgotten to ask me to issue a full apology?

Go and be outraged elsewhere foul beast. This is a forum for adults. :D

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1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Well thats life.

I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright.

While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players.

I think in an ideal world you are absolutely right.

The McGinn money should have been an investment opportunity for us. Unfortunately the Stubbs debacle absolutely killed that stone dead.

There's absolutely no guarantee that this collection of signings is going to save us. End of the day we are in a league of three with only one guaranteed survival spot and the other two clubs have both been in this division longer than we have.

We've rolled the dice and very much taken a punt. If it succeeds it will be a miracle on par with what we achieved in 2016-2017.

If it fails then at least we can very quickly clear the decks in the summer and start to rebuild properly in the Championship.

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2 minutes ago, div said:

I think in an ideal world you are absolutely right.

The McGinn money should have been an investment opportunity for us. Unfortunately the Stubbs debacle absolutely killed that stone dead.

There's absolutely no guarantee that this collection of signings is going to save us. End of the day we are in a league of three with only one guaranteed survival spot and the other two clubs have both been in this division longer than we have.

We've rolled the dice and very much taken a punt. If it succeeds it will be a miracle on par with what we achieved in 2016-2017.

If it fails then at least we can very quickly clear the decks in the summer and start to rebuild properly in the Championship.

The only fly in that ointment will be the level of financial damage we have sustained.

If it is as big as we fear then we'll be in trouble whatever division we end up in because the summer rebuild will be affected.

I would love to be in a position to see a trial balance sheet and profit and loss account right now.

Trying not to thin k about that too much though as I think we've had enough negativity for a whole season.

Edited by oaksoft

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Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out 

 

Off the top of my head, the only 2 players we've got tied down on longer term deals are Magennis and Erhahon?

Edited by Doakes

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1 minute ago, Doakes said:

Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out 

Stay in the premiership we will be fine with the reported 100 million from sky the premiership will become the land of milk and honey. I'm sure the McGinn money has taken a huge hit and probably ( hopfully) save our season. Even in life we get hit with unexpected financial bills. The clear out had to be done the backroon staff have clearly worked their cotton socks off. 

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2 hours ago, Kemp said:

Well, yes there is that.

I've always been a big fan of Shaktar Karagandy, Sint Truiden, and Slovan Liberec. Hopefully, this is the start of a long term relationship with these impressive clubs :lol:

(Aye, I'm sure they could all beat us before someone takes this seriously)

Beat us? They could all have humped us pre January and you have elected to not mention Derby, Brighton and Dynamo Bucharest. I like the business we have done. 

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2 hours ago, Kemp said:

Well thats life.

I just would have though with that John McGinn payment we could have put together a list of emerging Scottish talent at Championship & League 1 level and got them in on long term deals, along with a few guys tried and tested at this level such as Sow & Wright.

While I realise how badly last summers business has crippled us, I'd have hoped we could at least have got one or two signings in that showed we were beginning down a path that looked more to the long term development of talented players.

Surely all we needed to do was supplement last season's brilliant squad with a couple of signings?

After all, Livi are sitting comfortably in the table with the exact same players they had in League One plus a couple of Partick Thistle rejects and our squad finished way ahead of them.....   :rolleyes:

I await the usual abuse.

 

 

Edited by Wendy Saintss

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6 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

Stay in the premiership we will be fine with the reported 100 million from sky the premiership will become the land of milk and honey. I'm sure the McGinn money has taken a huge hit and probably ( hopfully) save our season. Even in life we get hit with unexpected financial bills. The clear out had to be done the backroon staff have clearly worked their cotton socks off. 

Wee bit optimistic there big man!

The new TV deal is worth about £30m a season and it doesn't start until season 20/21 :)

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29 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The only fly in that ointment will be the level of financial damage we have sustained.

If it is as big as we fear then we'll be in trouble whatever division we end up in because the summer rebuild will be affected.

I would love to be in a position to see a trial balance sheet and profit and loss account right now.

Trying not to thin k about that too much though as I think we've had enough negativity for a whole season.

Yeah I think it's fair to assume that the vast majority of the McGinn money will be gone.

A big opportunity missed sadly!

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21 minutes ago, Doakes said:

Good thing is with players not on long term deals, if we do go down we'll be able to rebuild with whatever budget is available. If we stay up,. we'll be fine. Don't think the risk is as much as some are making out 

 

Off the top of my head, the only 2 players we've got tied down on longer term deals are Magennis and Erhahon?

Sound analysis Doakes. Not accidental. 

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