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35 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

The dearly departed (from the forum, he's not deid!) Stuart Dickson had the odd moment of clarity and decent idea formation, he simply couldn't accept that despite coming across with decent points now and again, people would never take to them as the actual person delivering them was really insufferable in general, especially when making their point and really not worth the hassle of working with or against. Good idea formation (now and then) but a nightmare of a person to try and co-operate with.

Baz seems to fall firmly into the same category. Any agreeable or valid points are completely lost in the delivery of his response. The need to not just make his own point for someone to agree or disagree with but to make the person he's debating with seem foolish, confused or clouded.

Despite this, I've no real issue with him at all, I glance at the points he's making but then know I don't have to really read anything else he posts on a subject as it will typically contain no real new content aside from him going into a back and forth with whoever he's arguing with to point out where in their previous statements he's going to try and show them up. And then a general couple of 'Why Always Me?' style posts when he gets pulled up for it.

Bit of self reflection though, Baz. I don't think anyone is telling you not to post but sometimes you can look at a post, accept you've made your point well enough the first time and move on. Countering a response with another response if required is fair enough but the constant need to come back and try and reassert yourself every single time by picking through the bones of points already argued isn't a good look.

Decent summary. 

Highlighted bit not required, you know he's unwilling and incapable of taking any advice or self reflection.

You could have saved a decent amount of time by just describing him as a pwick. 

I await his long winded, dreary, equally as long response. 

 

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44 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

The dearly departed (from the forum, he's not deid!) Stuart Dickson had the odd moment of clarity and decent idea formation, he simply couldn't accept that despite coming across with decent points now and again, people would never take to them as the actual person delivering them was really insufferable in general, especially when making their point and really not worth the hassle of working with or against. Good idea formation (now and then) but a nightmare of a person to try and co-operate with.

Baz seems to fall firmly into the same category. Any agreeable or valid points are completely lost in the delivery of his response. The need to not just make his own point for someone to agree or disagree with but to make the person he's debating with seem foolish, confused or clouded.

Despite this, I've no real issue with him at all, I glance at the points he's making but then know I don't have to really read anything else he posts on a subject as it will typically contain no real new content aside from him going into a back and forth with whoever he's arguing with to point out where in their previous statements he's going to try and show them up. And then a general couple of 'Why Always Me?' style posts when he gets pulled up for it.

Bit of self reflection though, Baz. I don't think anyone is telling you not to post but sometimes you can look at a post, accept you've made your point well enough the first time and move on. Countering a response with another response if required is fair enough but the constant need to come back and try and reassert yourself every single time by picking through the bones of points already argued isn't a good look.

I have accepted many time’s that I will get into an argument on here when certain people go out their way to cause it. (See FS in this one & the comments on the recent SMISA one) 
 

This all started with me making a point of agreement with several other posters. What did I do wrong to warrant the backlash? If someone would like to point it out I will work on it. 👍

Its clear to me people will now go out their way to try & antagonise me. If others don’t think that’s true, fine. 

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I’m going to break ranks with the usual Bazil bashers here and say that on this occasion he was bang on to keep at this one.

Prague Buddie made a complete arse of it with his initial post. A really really dumb post in my opinion for all the reasons Baz pointed out. 
He then started doing some half arsed back peddling as a smoke screen to his initial nonsense. If he had just come out straight away and said he’d made an arse of it, there would have been a lot less posts on this thread. We all know Baz won’t let something go until someone categorically admits they were wrong. He’s not always right but on this occasion he was. 
An utterly ridiculous notion to suggest that Hladky is only a decent keeper because he was once a bit rubbish in a handful of games in the Czech Rep. 

Prague Buddie is a good poster on here, but this time he made an arse of it. Pure and simple. 

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2 hours ago, bazil85 said:

This all stemmed from me making a similar point to other posters yet FS (as he’s highlighted above) felt the need to single me out. 
 

This was ready to be put to bed yesterday afternoon between Prague & me when I said he had made it clearer in future posts. I would be massively surprised if I’m the only one that thinks he went onto contradict himself from his first post, it was my opinion based on how the thread had played out. Never the less it was winding down. 
 

Yet others just couldn’t let it rest, it happens all the time when I post. Previously held vendettas spoil threads, not me. 👍

Like I said. You just won't accept, apparently under any circumstances, that the problem is you.

In your eyes you are always the innocent party and for some unfathomable reason you get ruffle the feathers of seemingly everyone.

And so here we are.

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47 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

This all started with me making a point of agreement with several other posters. What did I do wrong to warrant the backlash? If someone would like to point it out I will work on it. 👍

 

Nope. What you'll do is continually argue the toss on finer and finer details of our feedback over 10 to 20 pages - why it's everyone else who is the problem and not you.

Two of us have tried it again on this very thread (me and djchapsticks) and on both posts you've ignored our points and blamed others.

This is your modus operandi and at the heart of why there is a wall of ill-will against you.

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28 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Like I said. You just won't accept, apparently under any circumstances, that the problem is you.

In your eyes you are always the innocent party and for some unfathomable reason you get ruffle the feathers of seemingly everyone.

And so here we are.

 

21 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Nope. What you'll do is continually argue the toss on finer and finer details of our feedback over 10 to 20 pages - why it's everyone else who is the problem and not you.

Two of us have tried it again on this very thread (me and djchapsticks) and on both posts you've ignored our points and blamed others.

This is your modus operandi and at the heart of why there is a wall of ill-will against you.

Self admitted that I will argue my side, people go out their way to get that reaction out of me. The biggest lie on here is that some don’t purposely go out their way for this to happen and they don’t have a similar position themselves. 
 

As I have said this would have been done yesterday afternoon between Prague & me, if it wasn’t for the usual suspects arguing with me. The irony is, it’s over a view we very likely agree on. You have to ask yourself how does an argument start when two or more people agree? In this scenario... username. 

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4 hours ago, bazil85 said:

 

Self admitted that I will argue my side, people go out their way to get that reaction out of me. The biggest lie on here is that some don’t purposely go out their way for this to happen and they don’t have a similar position themselves. 
 

As I have said this would have been done yesterday afternoon between Prague & me, if it wasn’t for the usual suspects arguing with me. The irony is, it’s over a view we very likely agree on. You have to ask yourself how does an argument start when two or more people agree? In this scenario... username. 

But that is not the accusation being aimed at you. Show me where I said that.

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7 hours ago, bazil85 said:

I have accepted many time’s that I will get into an argument on here when certain people go out their way to cause it. (See FS in this one & the comments on the recent SMISA one) 
 

This all started with me making a point of agreement with several other posters. What did I do wrong to warrant the backlash? If someone would like to point it out I will work on it. 👍

Its clear to me people will now go out their way to try & antagonise me. If others don’t think that’s true, fine. 

Aye like you :lol:  Brilliant Baz 

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8 hours ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

I’m going to break ranks with the usual Bazil bashers here and say that on this occasion he was bang on to keep at this one.

Prague Buddie made a complete arse of it with his initial post. A really really dumb post in my opinion for all the reasons Baz pointed out. 
He then started doing some half arsed back peddling as a smoke screen to his initial nonsense. If he had just come out straight away and said he’d made an arse of it, there would have been a lot less posts on this thread. We all know Baz won’t let something go until someone categorically admits they were wrong. He’s not always right but on this occasion he was. 
An utterly ridiculous notion to suggest that Hladky is only a decent keeper because he was once a bit rubbish in a handful of games in the Czech Rep. 

Prague Buddie is a good poster on here, but this time he made an arse of it. Pure and simple. 

I stand by that point. He played in CZ until he was 28 and did next to zero. He was bang average. 

I stand by my initial post too. 

He was VERY AVERAGE in CZ. (That is why we were able to sign him).  He played enough games to make an impact, but ultimately wasn't good enough to hold down a place in the Liberec team. In his last year there he had his chances. I think at one point he was given around 9 or 10 games on the bounce, but ultimately lost his place and was moved on to us.  I knew of him myself because I got to a game almost every week over here. I follow the CZ game closely, but my wife's family are all Liberec fans who attend week in week out and they told me that he wasn't a bad keeper, just absolutely average and definitely not the best keeper at the club at any point over his 4 years there. 

Based on all of this, when he moved to us, I wasn't very excited. 

He moved onto us and has somehow managed to seriously improve his performances. To the point, he has been superb. But a year and a bit isn't long enough to be classed as one of our best ever keepers. If he did it over 3, 4 or 5 years then I would say yes. 

I am sorry, but only stepping up to the plate for a year and a half of your career when you are almost 30 isn't good enough. 

If I hadn't been living over here in CZ and like everyone else had only known him the past year and a half, I would be raving about him too. 

In my opinion, to be regard as one of a club's greatest players you need to tick a number of boxes. Longevity, great performances, win trophies. Hladky only ticks one of those boxes, so there are a few keepers ahead of him in my greatest Saints goalkeeper list. 

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I stand by that point. 
He played in CZ until he was 28 and did next to zero. He was bang average. 
Was...
Fair enough...
That's how we managed to get him.

Now tho, I rate him much better than that... I genuinely think he could go to the very top.

A superb modern keeper with safe hands and great distribution.

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33 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Was...
Fair enough...
That's how we managed to get him.

Now tho, I rate him much better than that... I genuinely think he could go to the very top.

A superb modern keeper with safe hands and great distribution.

Real, Barca or Bayern perhaps? 

I am showing some of these posts to Czech fans over here and they are choking on their beer. 

Come on man, calm down. 

At best he will get a move to RFC or some English Championship team, but even then I am not so sure about that. We are perhaps his level. We will see what happens to his career over the next year or two. 

Also, he is almost 30. If he was 22 or 23, then I would say, that there could be a chance. 

I predict he might get a decent move like the one's mentioned above and then his career will gradually fade out. He is just too old to say that he will go much further. 

I can tell you one thing for sure, he has had his chance in CZ, and none of the bigger clubs over here would touch him

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51 minutes ago, Prague Buddie said:

I stand by that point. He played in CZ until he was 28 and did next to zero. He was bang average. 

I stand by my initial post too. 

He was VERY AVERAGE in CZ. (That is why we were able to sign him).  He played enough games to make an impact, but ultimately wasn't good enough to hold down a place in the Liberec team. In his last year there he had his chances. I think at one point he was given around 9 or 10 games on the bounce, but ultimately lost his place and was moved on to us.  I knew of him myself because I got to a game almost every week over here. I follow the CZ game closely, but my wife's family are all Liberec fans who attend week in week out and they told me that he wasn't a bad keeper, just absolutely average and definitely not the best keeper at the club at any point over his 4 years there. 

Based on all of this, when he moved to us, I wasn't very excited. 

He moved onto us and has somehow managed to seriously improve his performances. To the point, he has been superb. But a year and a bit isn't long enough to be classed as one of our best ever keepers. If he did it over 3, 4 or 5 years then I would say yes. 

I am sorry, but only stepping up to the plate for a year and a half of your career when you are almost 30 isn't good enough. 

If I hadn't been living over here in CZ and like everyone else had only known him the past year and a half, I would be raving about him too. 

In my opinion, to be regard as one of a club's greatest players you need to tick a number of boxes. Longevity, great performances, win trophies. Hladky only ticks one of those boxes, so there are a few keepers ahead of him in my greatest Saints goalkeeper list. 

Absolutely not going to get into a Bazil style tit for tat on this but I think you’re avoiding some of the nonsense you posted earlier. I’ll just pick the most obvious one. You suggested that peoples’ high opinion of him was based on a penalty shoot out. By any stretch of the imagination that is utter bollocks and it does you a disservice if you can’t admit that.

That’s all I’m saying on the matter. Each to their own opinion. 

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3 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Absolutely not going to get into a Bazil style tit for tat on this but I think you’re avoiding some of the nonsense you posted earlier. I’ll just pick the most obvious one. You suggested that peoples’ high opinion of him was based on a penalty shoot out. By any stretch of the imagination that is utter bollocks and it does you a disservice if you can’t admit that.

That’s all I’m saying on the matter. Each to their own opinion. 

Yes I did, and I do believe that had a MASSIVE impact on creating his 'hero' status

It is a fact, that when you think of a player, you often think of specific moments that create their legendary status. That was Hladky's

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4 hours ago, oaksoft said:

But that is not the accusation being aimed at you. Show me where I said that.

It was a summary of the way I approach this thread. You’re accusing it of al being my fault, I’ve accurately shown why it’s not. 

2 hours ago, portmahomack saint said:

Aye like you :lol:  Brilliant Baz 

You got the reaction you wanted for your needless criticism, that’s for sure 😂

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3 hours ago, windae cleaner said:

If he goes to Sevco you will find alot of people agreeing with Prague Buddie

According to the Scotsman, Celtic,Sunderland and Houston Dynamo are also interested. 

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2 hours ago, munoz said:

According to the SUN....  

ABC Braník 8th
ČAFC Prague 7th
FC Háje Jižní Město 14th
Zličín 9th
FK Admira Prague B 10th
FK Dukla Jižní Město 1st in Class 1.A (group B)
FK Újezd nad Lesy 1st in Class 1.A (group A)
SK Ďáblice 2nd in Class 1.A (group A)
SK Horní Měcholupy 10th in Divize B
SK Motorlet Prague B 12th
SK Třeboradice 4th
SK Uhelné sklady Prague 11th
SK Union Vršovice 13th
SK Zbraslav 5th
Sokol Cholupice 6th
Sokol Královice

...are also interested.    :)

 

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17 hours ago, Prague Buddie said:

I stand by that point. He played in CZ until he was 28 and did next to zero. He was bang average. 

I stand by my initial post too. 

He was VERY AVERAGE in CZ. (That is why we were able to sign him).  He played enough games to make an impact, but ultimately wasn't good enough to hold down a place in the Liberec team. In his last year there he had his chances. I think at one point he was given around 9 or 10 games on the bounce, but ultimately lost his place and was moved on to us.  I knew of him myself because I got to a game almost every week over here. I follow the CZ game closely, but my wife's family are all Liberec fans who attend week in week out and they told me that he wasn't a bad keeper, just absolutely average and definitely not the best keeper at the club at any point over his 4 years there. 

Based on all of this, when he moved to us, I wasn't very excited. 

He moved onto us and has somehow managed to seriously improve his performances. To the point, he has been superb. But a year and a bit isn't long enough to be classed as one of our best ever keepers. If he did it over 3, 4 or 5 years then I would say yes. 

I am sorry, but only stepping up to the plate for a year and a half of your career when you are almost 30 isn't good enough. 

If I hadn't been living over here in CZ and like everyone else had only known him the past year and a half, I would be raving about him too. 

In my opinion, to be regard as one of a club's greatest players you need to tick a number of boxes. Longevity, great performances, win trophies. Hladky only ticks one of those boxes, so there are a few keepers ahead of him in my greatest Saints goalkeeper list. 

You could do the club a favour and e mail Gus the names of some more bang average Czech keepers, seeing as we are about to lose ours.

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I stand by that point. He played in CZ until he was 28 and did next to zero. He was bang average. 
I stand by my initial post too. 
He was VERY AVERAGE in CZ. (That is why we were able to sign him).  He played enough games to make an impact, but ultimately wasn't good enough to hold down a place in the Liberec team. In his last year there he had his chances. I think at one point he was given around 9 or 10 games on the bounce, but ultimately lost his place and was moved on to us.  I knew of him myself because I got to a game almost every week over here. I follow the CZ game closely, but my wife's family are all Liberec fans who attend week in week out and they told me that he wasn't a bad keeper, just absolutely average and definitely not the best keeper at the club at any point over his 4 years there. 
Based on all of this, when he moved to us, I wasn't very excited. 
He moved onto us and has somehow managed to seriously improve his performances. To the point, he has been superb. But a year and a bit isn't long enough to be classed as one of our best ever keepers. If he did it over 3, 4 or 5 years then I would say yes. 
I am sorry, but only stepping up to the plate for a year and a half of your career when you are almost 30 isn't good enough. 
If I hadn't been living over here in CZ and like everyone else had only known him the past year and a half, I would be raving about him too. 
In my opinion, to be regard as one of a club's greatest players you need to tick a number of boxes. Longevity, great performances, win trophies. Hladky only ticks one of those boxes, so there are a few keepers ahead of him in my greatest Saints goalkeeper list. 
Who do you rate as better keepers for us then?

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