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St Mirren v Motherwell 6th Feb 2019

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54 minutes ago, The Original 59er said:

Ricky, in truth we had few chances. Up to the point of JB coming off I don't think we tested their keeper.

Just after the substitution we had a flurry of activity and he made a great save plus a couple of other incidents that weren't really goal threatening moments. 

In the 2nd half we scored a goal from a header, but I had the distinct impression (up to that point) that we could try all night and not score. Other than that moment we hardly threatened their keeper.

The huge difference between the teams was confidence. Motherwell were slicker in passing, quicker to the tackle, more decisive, played with confidence and meanwhile we were chasing shadows. You sit and watch it and realise that passing across the field or backwards just isn't doing anything other than building up a possession stat. 

After we scored, it didn't look as though we would chase a winner, but my God, Motherwell showed us exactly what to do! :(

I have refrained from talking down this team as I want OK to be successful. It will be a blow to go back down to the Championship, but they need to get some confidence from somewhere and start pushing for a result. Show the opposition that we want to win. At times last night I watched Ferdinand or Paul McGinn pass back across the field because no-one was making a run or making space up front for the telling ball.

 

Something needs to change in the team for us to survive! :hammer

Strangely. I agree with what you write. Our best spell was when McAllister came on. Possession is often ceded by teams these days in favour of playing on the break. It's a tactic we don't seem to be able to use. It relies on movement of front line players . Otherwise teams resort to playing square passes. Time is tight for new players to get up to game speed. But we need that now.

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8 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
15 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:
According to bbc 
Home TeaSt MirrenAway TeamMotherwell
Possession
Home59%
Away41%
Shots
Home9
Away12
Shots on Target
Home4
Away7
Corners
Home9
Away8
Fouls
Home8
Away13

We won the possession battle and lost the rest. Given how the game went, we might have gotten something if we'd committed more fouls.

I usually go with my eyes on how a game goes. Call me ole fashioned.....................

ie Man City 35 shots, 79% Possesion, 12 corners  TWO Crystal Palace 3 Shots 21 % Possesion , 2 corners  THREE 

Dam Lies and Statistics and all that !!!

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17 minutes ago, Callum Gilhooley said:

 

 


So you do something different and price accordingly. We don’t seem to have the ability to do this .

 

Fairy Nuff.

But even then....  a hard sell to those who are not stricken with whatever bug's got us Buddies.

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29 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
36 minutes ago, Sweeper07 said:
According to bbc 
Home TeaSt MirrenAway TeamMotherwell
Possession
Home59%
Away41%
Shots
Home9
Away12
Shots on Target
Home4
Away7
Corners
Home9
Away8
Fouls
Home8
Away13

We won the possession battle and lost the rest. Given how the game went, we might have gotten something if we'd committed more fouls.

We are not as dirty as all the other teams in this league.

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3 hours ago, Lord Pityme said:

Sorry i never heard a single word from Oran on joining suggesting he was even contemplating relegation. And I dont remember a groundswell off that contemplation in the support either.

but now after insisting the new manager, and all the support were as you say 'contemplating' relegation. You want to turn it on me! You do so a bit confused and embarrassed.

No need to 'turn it on you' - you do enough of that by yourself.

Can you think of any other rational end game for a team underperforming as badly as Stubbs had the team doing than relegation?

Can you think of any other rational explanation for a support to be so wholly welcoming of the sacking of a manager so early in a season?

Can you think of any other rational driver for the Directors to do what appeared to some in the media as a wrong knee-jerk response to fan dissatisfaction?

Relegation was the end game of persisting with Stubbs - hence so few people (certainly on here) disputed the decision.

You're the expert on confusion and embarrassment.

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1 minute ago, antrin said:

No need to 'turn it on you' - you do enough of that by yourself.

Can you think of any other rational end game for a team underperforming as badly as Stubbs had the team doing than relegation?

Can you think of any other rational explanation for a support to be so wholly welcoming of the sacking of a manager so early in a season?

Can you think of any other rational driver for the Directors to do what appeared to some in the media as a wrong knee-jerk response to fan dissatisfaction?

Relegation was the end game of persisting with Stubbs - hence so few people (certainly on here) disputed the decision.

You're the expert on confusion and embarrassment.

You do know our managers name aint Stubbs, dont you?

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1 hour ago, Spam_Valley said:

A 13% win rate is f**king unacceptable. Stubbs' players or not, that is an abominable % rate for a manager in any league - Tommy Craig managed 15% ffs. OK has not shown me anything that convinces me think he'll get us out this mess. The players have no idea what they're doing. Setting up 5-3-2 against Motherwell such an amateur mistake it makes me wonder if they even do opposition analysis in the week.

Popescu and the goalie look a couple of good finds. Although, i noticed someone on Twitter last night claiming Popescu would walk into ANY team in this league. :lol::lol: Made me chuckle.

 

"Stubbs' players or not" - the fact that all bar one are no longer currently at the club, it suggests that Stubbs' signings were horrific. It's a very poor record, but for me he is properly judged from here on in, with his own team in place, and it seems there are a few of them who could turn out to be very good signings.

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16 minutes ago, antrin said:

Witty quip AND it means you don't have to answer the rationality of my post.

Admirable, in its context.

 

The rationale of your original post is the club, the new manager and all the support were sure we were relegation candidates after four games. Piss poor, in its supposition.

Edited by Lord Pityme

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2 hours ago, Sweeper07 said:

So definitely big mistake setting up with 3 CB's and a "back 5" no question.

Looking at the goals - Hastie ran away from Muzek, Lyons and Ferdinand turned his back as he let rip - 3 of ours did not close him down - it was not  like we did not know in advance that he was a real threat!

Their 2nd - caught on the break, McGinn too easy to run past, and who was marking Campbell - Aye no one - free header 6 yards out....

 

For us - Jackson laid on a peach for Dreyer - at least his shot was on target but not clinical enough - He then ran past 2 Well defenders and laid it on for McAllister (Who skyed it into the crowd)  -   His cross for McGinns goal was very good too though.  Once he gets a goal, his confidence will rise.

Personally I hope Corbu is a really solid and fast RB - we need to learn to think more defensively in the middle of the park too and we need to get up to speed in the next few weeks and beat Livingstone. A few goals and some clean sheets and things will turn around !!!   :magic

 

A Glass Half Full, Man! :whistle

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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:

The rationale of your original post is the club, the new manager and all the support were sure we were relegation candidates after four games. Piss poor, in its supposition.

No.  The rationale was sound.

Your inability to distinguish between “contemplation” and being “sure” is the problem here.  And it’s your problem, alone.

 

if you didn’t always try to over-dramatise each and every situation, you might perhaps be better appreciated.

something you might... contemplate?

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2 hours ago, Soctty said:

"Stubbs' players or not" - the fact that all bar one are no longer currently at the club, it suggests that Stubbs' signings were horrific. It's a very poor record, but for me he is properly judged from here on in, with his own team in place, and it seems there are a few of them who could turn out to be very good signings.

Last night he was in command of his own signings, his own players in his preferred formation (5-3-2 at home vs M'Well btw..:blink:) and yet we still managed an Alan Stubbs level of performance. OK's games with Stubbs' players or last night, to me, there has been no improvement. His 13% W/R tells it's own story. For me, he should have managed to get more out of the players we had in the squad before the January mass exodus. 

It appears that nobody has a clue what they are doing out on the park and if they do, they're f**king great at hiding it. No clear style of play, no cohesion in the XI and absolutely no idea on how to defend OR attack. What are we doing on a daily basis at Ralston?

We constantly persist with the spine of our team being Ferdinand, McGinn & Jackson. Two guys that can barely move and another that just isn't very good.

We're absolutely horrific and something needs to change and change soon or we're heading down with a seriously embarrassing goals for, goals against and points totals.

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I usually go with my eyes on how a game goes. Call me ole fashioned.....................
ie Man City 35 shots, 79% Possesion, 12 corners  TWO Crystal Palace 3 Shots 21 % Possesion , 2 corners  THREE 
Dam Lies and Statistics and all that !!!
I think you've missed the context of my post.

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6 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
5 hours ago, Sweeper07 said:
We are not as dirty as all the other teams in this league.

Which was admirable last season. Not working out too well this season though. We're naive

Fully agree - this is a tougher gig than the Championship. We need to man up and stop getting kicked and pushed about.  :spud5

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3 hours ago, Spam_Valley said:

Last night he was in command of his own signings, his own players in his preferred formation (5-3-2 at home vs M'Well btw..:blink:) and yet we still managed an Alan Stubbs level of performance. OK's games with Stubbs' players or last night, to me, there has been no improvement. His 13% W/R tells it's own story. For me, he should have managed to get more out of the players we had in the squad before the January mass exodus. 

It appears that nobody has a clue what they are doing out on the park and if they do, they're f**king great at hiding it. No clear style of play, no cohesion in the XI and absolutely no idea on how to defend OR attack. What are we doing on a daily basis at Ralston?

We constantly persist with the spine of our team being Ferdinand, McGinn & Jackson. Two guys that can barely move and another that just isn't very good.

We're absolutely horrific and something needs to change and change soon or we're heading down with a seriously embarrassing goals for, goals against and points totals.

Disagree.

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9 hours ago, Soctty said:

"Stubbs' players or not" - the fact that all bar one are no longer currently at the club, it suggests that Stubbs' signings were horrific. It's a very poor record, but for me he is properly judged from here on in, with his own team in place, and it seems there are a few of them who could turn out to be very good signings.

Its no OK team whatsoever. Do you really think OK scouted and watched these guys? Gus i imagine did most of the work on all the players and OK was told who was coming in...you watch difference between Robinson who urged his team on all-night making tactical changes and Kearney who stands not saying a word, i'd be surprised if OK even knows who some of the players are and where they play...

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