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At which point the same people screaming that he should be allowed to commute, would scream with their 20/20 hindsight powers: 'Why was this even allowed to happen in the first place?!'
You know it for a fact that they would.

Of course they would some moan no matter what and love things like this.

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I don’t care how he gets to or from his job as st Mirren manager or where he stays I only care what he achieves on the pitch and so far he done great.

And I can see why Oran would take huge offence to his commitment being questioned by Gordon after all the travelling he’s done and time spent away from his two kids.


I understand the point that if results are good then who cares but it seems likely that the more time he’s away from the club something will suffer. Why take that chance?

In terms of his achievements I wouldn’t say he’s been great. He’s been decent given the circumstances.

If, and it’s a big if, things have gone down the way the two journos have described them he’s taking the piss IMO and it would seem obvious that something has been going on for some time hence Coleraine still not having a new man in place.

If we have to pay any compo to a guy, we had to effectively buy in the first place, after less than a year then we’re f**king mugs.

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3 hours ago, Julian Banjos said:

Absolutely. The Coleraine thing absolutely reeks. 10th of May their manager went. 6 weeks on, funnily enough, still no appointment. Meanwhile, OK is trying to play us.

 

A HA...... someone has worked it out at last  :whistle  but lets just blame Gordon Scott anyway,,,  we've no had a good lynching in this town since the Kilbarchan Witches 

fire burn GIF

 

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4 hours ago, pod said:

Forum member have been reading what journalist have been writing and as a result, have  hang drawn and quartered GS. 

Yes and they shouldn't be doing that either.

Neither side should be getting tried and sentenced by social media at this point.

It's tempting to comment on the situation but we really have nothing certain to go by except a few unattributed claims.

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4 hours ago, cockles1987 said:

 


Ffs, you wrote he was entitled to 2 days off. Where did you get this info from?

 

 

I'm not interested in this sort of hair splitting argument where you take my words literally.

I'm assuming you are grown up enough to understand the point I am making about employees being allowed a life outside work free from their boss's interference.

If there is any truth in OK asking to commute every day then that is a different matter but we have absolutely no proof of that right now.

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8 hours ago, buddies1877 said:


Wouldn’t have bothered me either as long as we got a good performance on the Saturday and 3 points.

As I’ve said before he could commute to the moon everyday or only appear for match days as long as he is achieving what he’s meant to on the park.

I also don’t believe the other stuff like he’s manufactured his way out of the club to get back to coleraine and his old teachers job trying to do over the club don’t believe he’s that type of guy What I do believe is he wanted to commute more to be with his two young kids and wife more.

If the extra commuting started to affect our performance on the pitch then that’s when it should get questioned and his job would be on the line.

As with Stubbs, the decision should be made not only based on results achieved so far, but on what results are likely to be achieved in the future.

You keep writing that you "don't care about the commute."

Forget about the commute itself, it is about commitment and about the stability of St Mirren. Kearney didn't put an end to the rumours of returning to Coleraine last season because he wanted that door still open. He went away on holiday and said he wouldn't commit to St Mirren until talking to his wife. In the meantime our assistant manager leaves to join a lower league club.

Now I don't know exactly what happened this week but it seems he now wants to move the goalposts again.

He simply isn't the most attractive candidate to be manager any more. The best decision for St Mirren is to get him out and get a new coach in.

Meanwhile we have managed to secure the signing of Popescu by the team GS has put in charge, who are fully committed to the club.

I'm backing Gordon Scott 100% on this call.

And Coleraine are still sitting without a manager two months later, why? Oran aint a Saint in more ways than one.

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7 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

You expect him to unsettle his 2 kids who are primary school age and get his wife to give up her job?
We don't pay huge wages, bid be surprised if his salary with us is much more than his teaching salary (with perks) combined with his wife's salary.
Why should he risk his families happiness and financial security for our club?

If he wants to be St Mirren manager, of course.

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1 hour ago, ironsaints87 said:

We’re forgetting the blame lies with his wife, it’s always a woman’s fault.. she’s demanding he’s home every evening by 6 with his dinner on the table for him. Lucky man emoji57.png

If he is happy with his family life and two secure jobs in Northern Ireland then fair enough. As you say, he is luckier than most.

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We'll all look back fondly on the time a drillie from Norn Iron came over to keep us in the premier league then returned to his packed lunch in the staff room.

I get the family thing but you have to wonder about Oran's professional sanity down the line. What will be going through his mind when he's putting away the badminton nets or berating a wean for not bringing in his PE kit when, if he'd kept his mouth shut, he could have been preparing us for a trip to Parkhead or whatever?

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2 hours ago, Kemp said:

If he wants to be St Mirren manager, of course.

^^^^^This , in a nutshell^^^^

Both parties can offer up all the excuses, the commute, the domestic home sickness, the implied and subsequently broken promises about relocation etc. etc. etc. Its a two way street here, no doubt both parties have failed to deliver the desired outcome, that is plainly obvious.

Whether OK has been 'turned' and his domestic situation dominated his motivations and the fact that Coleraine are hanging about, well it would be tempting for OK to 'play his hand'. Similarly have St Mirren fecked it up once more with another ultimately failing managerial appointment.

It just looks like another Manager has taken to the pitch at season end with a microphone, fired out a few patronising and disingenuous sound bites, then worked the ol ticket !!

No one knows the straw that broke the camels back in this instance, frankly it's done, the trust would appear to be away, so the basis of a sound working relationship is lost

It's frankly a pish state of affairs once again, but as above says, can we get someone in who wants to do the job, can work within the constraints both budget and that their contract imposes and get on with the feckin job.

 

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With the stv and sun now reporting lawyers involved in thrashing out a deal between club and soon to be ex manager it's all very disappointing. No one comes out of this smelling of rose's.
It's hard being a buddie sometimes.

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8 hours ago, oaksoft said:

It doesn't matter who it is.

Journalistic integrity says you interview both and quote directly where possible.

Not if it's in the hands of lawyers as mentioned in the article. Need to be careful in quoting anyone whilst a legal matter is in progress.

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3 minutes ago, Jrok said:

With the stv and sun now reporting lawyers involved in thrashing out a deal between club and soon to be ex manager it's all very disappointing. No one comes out of this smelling of rose's.
It's hard being a buddie sometimes.

You do wonder why this couldn't all have been settled amicably. If Oran did find living away from home too difficult, I think we'd have all understood, thanked him for his work and the friendly this weekend could have gone ahead. Real shame for it to end with bad feeling.

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2 minutes ago, Hendo said:

You do wonder why this couldn't all have been settled amicably. If Oran did find living away from home too difficult, I think we'd have all understood, thanked him for his work and the friendly this weekend could have gone ahead. Real shame for it to end with bad feeling.

Money.

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4 minutes ago, Hendo said:

You do wonder why this couldn't all have been settled amicably. If Oran did find living away from home too difficult, I think we'd have all understood, thanked him for his work and the friendly this weekend could have gone ahead. Real shame for it to end with bad feeling.

It just all starts to read like St Mirren are being played now, all hidden behind the exception being taken about professionalism and commitment and family constraints.

Clearly a daily commute is a piss take, the job does not allow for that in all practical senses, OK would know that, if indeed that was a genuine factor. 

Then there is the Coleraine element at play.

His teaching job allegedly still available

All beginning to look like a very disingenuous squabble has been engineered.

Lawyers, pay off ffs, well, that's it truly soured now.

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14 minutes ago, Jrok said:

With the stv and sun now reporting lawyers involved in thrashing out a deal between club and soon to be ex manager it's all very disappointing. No one comes out of this smelling of rose's.
It's hard being a buddie sometimes.

That it is forum friend, that it is indeed,

 

With last season finishing on such a spectacular high and with Mr Kearney at the helm I was guilty of allowing myself some optimism with regard to the forthcoming season.

 

Well it now appears everything has once again been Royally f**ked up.  As the days trickle by and better run clubs are working the transfer market we are falling out with yet another manager.  As fans are being asked to fork out hard earned money for season tickets the best the club can offer is yet more internal strife. 

 

Once again as things look to be taking an up turn our club turns everything to pish.  Well done to all involved, well done indeed.

 

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I admit to feeling gutted when this story first broke, but don't think things are as bad as I first thought. Concerns that the board were being unreasonable have been allayed, we're in a better place than when OK first came in, and we seem to be making signings, which didn't happen after Jack left.

Get the right man in (Goody), and the positivity will return quickly I reckon.

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2 hours ago, ironsaints87 said:

We’re forgetting the blame lies with his wife, it’s always a woman’s fault.. she’s demanding he’s home every evening by 6 with his dinner on the table for him. Lucky man emoji57.png

Sounds like you have identified the possible 3rd party 

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14 minutes ago, Seaside Nipper said:

It just all starts to read like St Mirren are being played now, all hidden behind the exception being taken about professionalism and commitment and family constraints.

Clearly a daily commute is a piss take, the job does not allow for that in all practical senses, OK would know that, if indeed that was a genuine factor. 

Then there is the Coleraine element at play.

His teaching job allegedly still available

All beginning to look like a very disingenuous squabble has been engineered.

Lawyers, pay off ffs, well, that's it truly soured now.

He was asked by the media prior to our two playoff games about the Coleraine vacancy and he didn't really deny any interest, or show any sorts of indication that this is where he wanted to be long term. He said at the time, my main focus is these two playoff games. 

From the newspapers today, its revealed his old PE job is still open for another 3 months and tying that in with the vacancy at Coleraine, you can't help but think he would want to return to that and think the only way he can have anywhere near close to that family time over here, is to ask to commute daily, which i completely stand with board on this one. It is completely unreasonable at club level to have that flexibility. 
People can compare the commute in duration all they like with mainland ones, though this is completely different and would most likely restrict a lot of the work that is required of a fulll-time football manager. 

Being a family man myself, I can completely understand OK must be finding it difficult with time away from his wife and kids and respect he is putting family first, though it doesnt seem to have ended in a nice way.

I think GS has every right to question the manager he employs about long-term commitment. It says that after requesting a daily commute he came to a compromise of a couple of days a week again, though, that clearly showed he would first and foremost wish to travel home more often rather than think to settling here permanently.

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3 hours ago, oaksoft said:

If there is any truth in OK asking to commute every day then that is a different matter but we have absolutely no proof of that right now.

I take your point completely about quotes, etc (I was a journalist in a previous life and we'd never have run anything without a quote, and offering right of reply was compulsory too) - but I think that narrative does seem to be the most plausible of everything that's come out so far. 

 

As a human being with a wife and a young son, I can completely empathise with Oran. Hell, I pretty much refuse to even work late any more as it cuts into time with my boy. Hard to underestimate the strain that being away that much would put on your family as a whole. 

I think what we're seeing is that Oran has reached the end of his safety net - his former school wanted a decision either way, Coleraine had kept the job open but couldn't for much longer. Do you continue breaking your balls for your football career or do you continue with the life that you were basically enjoying just fine before St Mirren started sniffing around last summer? Money and renown aren't everything.

 

My views as a St Mirren fan may differ slightly, as follows... :ph34r:

Spoiler

I think, on balance, it looks like he is trying to play the game to get a pay-off. He wouldn't have got one had he opted to walk away, so he's engaged in a bit of brinkmanship. Say what you want about GLS - and a lot of people seem to be doing so - but being as plainly logical as possible, he's not daft enough to be trying to force out a manager who was that popular with fans and players alike. He is looking after St Mirren first and foremost. Sure, he's made mistakes, but I think some people have been very quick to grab their pitchforks here.

 

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We won't get to the truth on this. It points to OK wanting to leave and trying not to paint himself in a bad light with fans. This looks like he has changed the goal posts and Scott has acted. Time to get Goodwin in and move on. 

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