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1 hour ago, munoz said:

With 4 games in 11 days , Kearney got his team selection spot on. 

They are professional footballers who haven't played much football this season.

Some players play in every round of the cup competitions, their country, European football and league games. This lot have only had the league games this season and most of them haven't been part of it from the beginning.

There is no chance they are tired.

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Just saw OK, after match analysis. f**k me, poor players having to play 2 games in a week.
Oh do f**k off.
His point was that we had 4 games in 11 days, including tonight against the best team in the league (by some distance). All other teams apart from St. Johnstone, have 1 game less in this time.
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6 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
10 minutes ago, delpierro said:
Just saw OK, after match analysis. f**k me, poor players having to play 2 games in a week.
Oh do f**k off.

His point was that we had 4 games in 11 days, including tonight against the best team in the league (by some distance). All other teams apart from St. Johnstone, have 1 game less in this time.

They should be able to play 4 games in 11 days easy enough. The only issue would be if it was at the end of a long hard season. It's not been a long season for these players. They don't play international football. We've been gubbed out every cup in the early rounds and they've obviously had no European football.

James Forrest has played 48 games this season. Ryan Flynn who presumably was rested tonight has played 19. 

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Flynn is carrying an injury and I understand Paul McGinn also has a knock. GMac hasn’t played for a year and Mullen for a good while too.

Sensible for the manager to shake things up tonight with the more important game on Saturday in mind.

In terms of the comparison to Forrest he has looked every inch a guy who’s played nearly 50 games in recent weeks.

Not sure what the issue is here. It’s a squad game and guys like Kellerman, Corbu and Cooke all did well tonight and give us options over the last 6 games if required.

 

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Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...

Good old what ifs.

What if we won tonight we created a fair amount of chances tonight to nearly get something from it.

Only 3 players in that starting 11 raised a few eyebrows some making it out to be a lot worse than it was like we had just named an u20 side.

kellerman, corbu and Cooke which 2 of them had decent games.


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Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...

 

“Accepted defeat” 🤣

 

Does Lennon get the same then for making similar changes or is that somehow different?

 

Flynn and Mullen have been pilloried on here for months saying they weren’t good enough. A lot of people were shouting for GMac to be let go due to his injury record and people have also been slating Lyons.

 

All of a sudden it’s a disrespectful disgrace to leave them out of the team?

 

FFS turn it up.

 

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Kearney's team tonight will only be proven right or wrong dependent on the result on Saturday. Anything other than a win, something we've failed to get against Accies this season, points towards 'why'? There's no free passes when your in a relegation battle, even Dundee held them to the 90 odd minute. This Celtic team isn't special, most their squad played on Sunday and two games in the international break. To say our players are tired is pathetic.

Tactically I thought we were shit. A total inability to get the ball to our players in the Celtic half, or hold any sort of possession. We let their full backs push far too high and overload either side of defence, and playing Ferdinand forced our defence to play on the edge of our box the entire night. We left our two centre forwards isolated, with a limited and immobile midfield. We just invited Celtic to play in our half.

Remember when Ross set us up to let the Celtic back two and Brown have the ball, as they are awful at playing out with it? There was nothing close to that thinking tonight. It was total shitfest pack the box effort. That was damage limitation from the first whistle. The sort of thing you'd have expected when Kearney was first appointed.

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Too many changes from Saturday, the first half was really disappointing with the players looking unsure of their allotted roles and not even matching Celtic, who already had the league sealed, in terms of effort. My initial feeling was that their first goal was over the line but having seen the stills I'm not 100% convinced - just 99%. The second half was a lot better from our POV and both Cooke or Nazon went close but their second was sorta inevitable.

Hope Hladky is OK and that the disciplinary panel take a generous view of the Nazon/Ajer incident.

Onto Saturday & Hamilton.......

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5 hours ago, gc_SMFC said:

Kearney's team tonight will only be proven right or wrong dependent on the result on Saturday. Anything other than a win, something we've failed to get against Accies this season, points towards 'why'? There's no free passes when your in a relegation battle, even Dundee held them to the 90 odd minute. This Celtic team isn't special, most their squad played on Sunday and two games in the international break. To say our players are tired is pathetic.

Tactically I thought we were shit. A total inability to get the ball to our players in the Celtic half, or hold any sort of possession. We let their full backs push far too high and overload either side of defence, and playing Ferdinand forced our defence to play on the edge of our box the entire night. We left our two centre forwards isolated, with a limited and immobile midfield. We just invited Celtic to play in our half.

Remember when Ross set us up to let the Celtic back two and Brown have the ball, as they are awful at playing out with it? There was nothing close to that thinking tonight. It was total shitfest pack the box effort. That was damage limitation from the first whistle. The sort of thing you'd have expected when Kearney was first appointed.

Kinda agree with that last paragraph, thought Celtic had weaknesses that we didn’t really put to the test last night... 

Ah well. No real damage done, onwards to Hamilton

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6 hours ago, DLBud said:

 

“Accepted defeat”

 

Does Lennon get the same then for making similar changes or is that somehow different?

 

Flynn and Mullen have been pilloried on here for months saying they weren’t good enough. A lot of people were shouting for GMac to be let go due to his injury record and people have also been slating Lyons.

 

All of a sudden it’s a disrespectful disgrace to leave them out of the team?

 

FFS turn it up.

 

Listening to Oran two things come to mind.

Firstly. He, for some reason, didn't see how bad Nazon was. To suggest that Ducken's workrate was such that he was too tired to head a ball or shoot is, quite simply, ridiculous.

Secondly. He didn't go out expecting anything from the game. For me. The manager should be looking to take something from ANY game at home.

On the plus side.

I felt the back five worked hard though maybe, with Ferdinand on, the other central defenders perhaps had one eye on him.

Hladky was great. Popescu was as good as usual. Corbu did well. MacPherson continues to improve. A good hour or so for our captain. Cooke showed touches that suggest there's a player there and the other fringe players didn't disgrace themselves. It was the tactics that done for us. Not the personnel.

Onward to the next one. I know we keep saying it, but this one really THE big game. If, coupled with a defeat for Dundee, we win, we're really in the driving seat going into the split.

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The game was simply dire, two teams looked to be struggling for motivation and no ambition on display. The introduction of Christie for them secured the push to get them labouring over the line. We were tired looking and went through the motions like we were wearing lead boots

Horrible experience all round last night, it was fan ticket refund territory under the mis sale of a so called football match.................................

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Remember when Ross set us up to let the Celtic back two and Brown have the ball, as they are awful at playing out with it? There was nothing close to that thinking tonight. It was total shitfest pack the box effort. That was damage limitation from the first whistle. The sort of thing you'd have expected when Kearney was first appointed.

 

Oran’s first game played out in a similar fashion. We deployed a basketball type of zone defence where we dropped back to our own half whenever we lost the ball and gave possession to Brown and Celtic’s back four and this limited them to very few chances. The problem we have is that you have to take your chances when they arrive and we didn’t.

 

Dundee went with similar tactics at home to them recently and almost got it right until injury time where they decided to become a bit cavalier and pile up the park chasing a winner. They left a little bit of space in behind, in the 96th minute, and were punished.

 

Despite being “nothing special” this Celtic team can bring guys like Eduoard and Christie off the bench, are laden with internationals, 13 points clear and could wrap up the title before the split. They’re the best side in the country by a mile.

 

 

 

 

 

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They are professional footballers who haven't played much football this season.
Some players play in every round of the cup competitions, their country, European football and league games. This lot have only had the league games this season and most of them haven't been part of it from the beginning.
There is no chance they are tired.
It's not about being tired. Its about the effects from playing a game after months out, or playing many in just a few days. That takes a toll, you will have aches, pains and stiffness. Especially if you're not 19 any more.
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Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...
You strike me as the kind of fan who would have had us playing 2 up front at Tynecastle and Pittodrie...... and then collecting zero points.
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2 minutes ago, ScotstounSaint said:
8 hours ago, gstretchuk said:
Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...

You strike me as the kind of fan who would have had us playing 2 up front at Tynecastle and Pittodrie...... and then collecting zero points.

If ur happy to accept defeat before game start's as Kearney did then so be it...

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7 hours ago, DLBud said:

Flynn is carrying an injury and I understand Paul McGinn also has a knock. GMac hasn’t played for a year and Mullen for a good while too.

Sensible for the manager to shake things up tonight with the more important game on Saturday in mind.

In terms of the comparison to Forrest he has looked every inch a guy who’s played nearly 50 games in recent weeks.

Not sure what the issue is here. It’s a squad game and guys like Kellerman, Corbu and Cooke all did well tonight and give us options over the last 6 games if required.

 

Drama queens won't see it that way. 

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At the time, when I saw the team, I thought "aw shit". On reflection, it's been a gamble that somewhat paid off. We were never expecting a win from that game, at best a draw. We gave ourselves chances to get that draw. Other results went our way. Sometimes that's the wee bit of luck you need in a relegation battle. We should have a relatively fresh team to face Hamilton on Saturday. Now we need to go up there with a huge support and beat them.

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41 minutes ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:

Anyone suggesting that Kellerman was anything other than honking last night needs to come off the glue. 

Not seen anything to suggest he is a good player. Think AFC Fylde is his level tbh

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This might explain why so many clubs are against strict liability - we would be accountable for what happens in our ground.
Sellik fans have been out of order at just about every away game this season. Football authorities do nothing.
Strict liability in this case would hold Celtic responsible. It's the club that that the fans belong to that are held accountable, not the team whose ground the game is held at. What some clubs are putting forward as the argument against is that fans of other clubs could infiltrate their support and cause mischief
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The only thing I could possibly say in Kellerman's defence is that 5-3-2 isn't played very much, and it's possible he simply didn't know what to do. It certainly looked that way.

MacPherson also looked a bit exposed last night - but it's hardly fair to put a young lad into a three-man midfield with a recent surgery patient and someone who has played a literal handful of games for us.

I still thought there were plenty of positives last night: our defence was very good, Corbu had a shaky start but grew into the game and is another option for us, and Cody Cooke was decent in a very difficult match for a young striker. I'm still not sure he's cut out for this level, but I would hope we'd hang onto him if we get relegated. Him and Danny Mullen up front in the Championship? Aye, go on.

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1 hour ago, ScotstounSaint said:
9 hours ago, gstretchuk said:
Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...

You strike me as the kind of fan who would have had us playing 2 up front at Tynecastle and Pittodrie...... and then collecting zero points.

MMM we pretty much did play two upfront at both those grounds, using Duck and Kyle McA, and could maybe should have won both

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10 hours ago, gstretchuk said:

Kearney is a disgrace, to go out and not try and win a game of football is disgraceful. Its disrespectful to the club, fans and players...at Parkhead he accepted defeat before game started and tonight he accepted defeat, this is totally unacceptable. If Hamilton and Dundee had won tonight it would look a lot worse for him as he would have no idea what was going to happen in those games and had his fingers crossed. Absolutely shat it tonight to try and win game, people with this mentality should not be near the club. His team selection was poor and as for S McGinn think he was playing for them. Looked overweight, slow and totally unfit, waste of a jersey tonight...

Your either a really poor WUM, or havent a fecking clue about football, later I think as ur clearly thickasfeck.

Starter Hamilton and Dundee lost- Second Kearney did not set us up to lose, he set us up to contain..... and a bit more composure we could have got a point out of that

For a prat that always states you dont go to games its fairly obvious-  your clueless

BTW St Mirren play in Paisley , been going since 1877 and will stay in existence long after you fall off your perch :hammer

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