If we stay up... Give us the family stand back.

[slapsalmon 860]

12 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

£800k a £900k on non player staff? Absolutely and easily. Look at who’s potentially included in there. 

Manager, assistant & coach staff

sports scientist & medical staff

Including Club doctor & physios

several admin staff for tickets, shop, catering,

dozens if not 100s of stewards (throughout season) 

other security 

potentially legal teams & contractors  

how much do you think non player costs are for football clubs? 

 

As lpm said above. Most of that list aren't St mirren staff. 

Edited June 17, 2019 by slapsalmon

[foxbar_bud 1,716]

12 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

£800k a £900k on non player staff? Absolutely and easily. Look at who’s potentially included in there. 

Manager, assistant & coach staff

sports scientist & medical staff

Including Club doctor & physios

several admin staff for tickets, shop, catering,

dozens if not 100s of stewards (throughout season) 

other security 

potentially legal teams & contractors  

how much do you think non player costs are for football clubs? 

 

 

For info the £1.9m figure is for 43 players and 34 management and admin salaries.

 

[slapsalmon 860]

2 minutes ago, foxbar_bud said:

 

For info the £1.9m figure is for 43 players and 34 management and admin salaries.

 

He knows because he was active in the thread discussing the accounts when they came out

[bazil85 3,311]

47 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

God you're thick! Half of that list do not feature on the wage bill as they are not club employees. Including the doctor!

‘God you’re thick’ the cost of the doctor and other employee serves could easily be included in non player staff expenses. Don’t let that get in the way of a good story though. 

[bazil85 3,311]

42 minutes ago, foxbar_bud said:

 

For info the £1.9m figure is for 43 players and 34 management and admin salaries.

 

Fair enough, hadn’t seen that specific. But 34 management and admin staff equalling roughly £900k, an average wage of roughly £26k... doesn’t seem outside the realms of possibility to me. 

[bazil85 3,311]

49 minutes ago, slapsalmon said:

As lpm said above. Most of that list aren't St mirren staff. 

I’m still not seeing anything that supports the theory that GLS is a liar. 

[Lord Pityme 6,723]

6 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

‘God you’re thick’ the cost of the doctor and other employee serves could easily be included in non player staff expenses. Don’t let that get in the way of a good story though. 

Nope only employees appear under wages/payroll on accounts. Why only you think its 'A Good Story' is risible though.

[Lord Pityme 6,723]

5 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

I’m still not seeing anything that supports the theory that GLS is a liar. 

Try again, but take the blindfold, headphones and gimp gag collar off first though!

[bazil85 3,311]

9 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Nope only employees appear under wages/payroll on accounts. Why only you think its 'A Good Story' is risible though.

 

8 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Try again, but take the blindfold, headphones and gimp gag collar off first though!

We know you're hurting and you’re upset that BTB is happening & you have zero power on stopping it or GLS time at the club.

But you still aren’t providing any evidence he’s lying. If you want to provide actually evidence that the arrangement hasn’t return at 10% increase in our player budget fine, until then you’re just making more unfounded claims that have caught you out so many times in the past. 

[BuddieinEK 8,898]

Welcome. Welcome.
Come in.
Here... Take these seats... They are only used by season ticket holders and our future generation of support.

Here... Can you sing us some songs?

We promise not to tell!

We'd be nothing without you!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/level-sectarianism-scottish-football-hidden-16528347

[Lord Pityme 6,723]

6 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Welcome. Welcome.
Come in.
Here... Take these seats... They are only used by season ticket holders and our future generation of support.

Here... Can you sing us some songs?

We promise not to tell!

We'd be nothing without you!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/level-sectarianism-scottish-football-hidden-16528347

Maybe if you buy a ST for the family stand it actually stands for "Sectarian Ticket'..?

[oaksoft 13,449]

2 hours ago, slapsalmon said:

Our wages to turnover was 60% at the last pwc report. 

Our last accounts showed total wages not including directors of 1.9 million. 

I'm not trying to change what you believe, but those figures from the last accounts were for a season in the championship so likely lower than this year, but even using those figures would mean the non playing staff cost between 800 and 900k to a playing staff budget of 1-1.1m.

 

Im confident the 10% increase will be shown to be nonsense in the next set of accounts.

Unfortunately I am pretty confident we are not going to be able to tell.

The extra income will be wrapped up in "Turnover" and we will be none the wiser.

In the meantime we know that Turnover will be significantly higher than in last season's accounts.

Scott and his poodle Baz will be able to continue to spin all manner of shite about how much extra we have gained.

[oaksoft 13,449]

5 hours ago, bazil85 said:

It’s not a mistake it was a conscious choice. A comparison of what we do for 9 teams against what we do for the other 2 is completely justifiable and likely what our chairman did with the 10% budget comments. 

You can compare to an arrangement that has never been in place under this board it’s equally justifiable but it doesn’t mean your view is right and others wrong. 

Baz I was trying to talk to another poster. His numbers are wrong. Why not let him answer for himself?

 

[shull 31,387]

Gordon and other Board Members prefer this hatefilled moron in our Family Stand instead of the Panda Club. 

[Sweeper07 4,284]

49 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

 

We know you're hurting and you’re upset that BTB is happening & you have zero power on stopping it or GLS time at the club.

But you still aren’t providing any evidence he’s lying. If you want to provide actually evidence that the arrangement hasn’t return at 10% increase in our player budget fine, until then you’re just making more unfounded claims that have caught you out so many times in the past. 

You are giving him far too much credit - He produces no evidence for anything other than that he is thick as fcuk. Constantly makes up negative crap and seeks followers to agree with it.. He is a waste of space and really not worth engaging with. 

[bazil85 3,311]

20 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Baz I was trying to talk to another poster. His numbers are wrong. Why not let him answer for himself?

 

You literally quoted me in it saying it was the same mistake I made. I was pointing out I hadn’t made a mistake. 

[slapsalmon 860]

27 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Unfortunately I am pretty confident we are not going to be able to tell.

The extra income will be wrapped up in "Turnover" and we will be none the wiser.

In the meantime we know that Turnover will be significantly higher than in last season's accounts.

Scott and his poodle Baz will be able to continue to spin all manner of shite about how much extra we have gained.

Not going to be able to guarantee it, but anyone with any critical thinking ability will be able to look at the wages in thenext accounts and work out if 130k gross could possibly ammount to 10% of the wage budget

[shull 31,387]

Both sets of sectarian cnuts have had decades to try and evolve into decent human beings. They have failed. 

We should be giving them NO TICKETS for our Stadium. 

If , by law we have to, then allocate one section of the Away Stand to them, maybe N5,  which keeps them away from our fans. 

Bare minimum amount of tickets for the Moronic Cnuts. 

Around 100 would be 100 too many but would have to do. 

Time the 40 Diddy Clubs grew fecking balls. 

I might be back when they are gone forever. 

[Callum Gilhooley 10,019]

As I’ve said previously , probably as well this forum wasn’t around when the old board gave both ends of the ground to the ugly sisters and to add insult to injury , asked us to shuffle up the north bank a bit to let them under cover when it rained !
They would have got slaughtered.....or perhaps is there an element of individuals with a vendetta against certain members of our board? Hmmm , let me think

[shull 31,387]

Before the fence was erected, the bigots had the run of the Stadium apart from the Season Tickets in our Main Stand. 

Our North Bank Choir was booted tae  feck from our regular place and usually ended up down the front. 

[DougJamie 6,890]

3 minutes ago, shull said:

Before the fence was erected, the bigots had the run of the Stadium apart from the Season Tickets in our Main Stand. 

Our North Bank Choir was booted tae  feck from our regular place and usually ended up down the front. 

Said the twat flaunting Boris Johnson

[windae cleaner 4,081]

10 minutes ago, shull said:

Before the fence was erected, the bigots had the run of the Stadium apart from the Season Tickets in our Main Stand. 

Our North Bank Choir was booted tae  feck from our regular place and usually ended up down the front. 

Apart from 1984

[shull 31,387]

1 hour ago, windae cleaner said:

Apart from 1984

What happened in 1984 ? 

The segregation fence was installed in 1977.

Games against the bigots would see at least 30000 of the cnuts at Love Street with just a few thousand buddies, maybe between 3000 - 5000.

[BuddieinEK 8,898]

What happened in 1984 ? 
The segregation fence was installed in 1977.
Games against the bigots would see at least 30000 of the cnuts at Love Street with just a few thousand buddies, maybe between 3000 - 5000.

Yet I seem to remember Rangers crowds being so bad at one time that we played Hibs and Rangers in the same week... and had a bigger crowd against Hibs!

[oaksoft 13,449]

2 hours ago, slapsalmon said:

Not going to be able to guarantee it, but anyone with any critical thinking ability will be able to look at the wages in thenext accounts and work out if 130k gross could possibly ammount to 10% of the wage budget

The problem is that it depends on what Gordon is prepared to pretend constitutes an "increase".

He has spun the incoming number up (by assuming £27 per head) and the outgoing number down (by ignoring how many were in W7 and comparing 1 stand against 2) to make it look better. Add in a whole other host of accounting sleight of hand (such as lost costs in Family Stand season tickets and the costs of policing etc) and he could easily present "evidence" to back up his false position. The ridiculous figure of £133k given above is an example of how you can abuse statistics to get whatever number you want.

If you think you can extract more information than that from the accounts then I think you might be disappointed. I genuinely hope you are right though.

We'll just need to wait and see.

Edited June 17, 2019 by oaksoft