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15 minutes ago, shull said:

It could all change today if the authorities and Scottish Football had balls. 

I have never seen a passive away when these two Clubs are visiting. 

Anyway, why are decent human beings among the morons ? 

Yep, world hunger, child poverty & global vaccination against avoidable diseases could all be resolved in a very short period as well if the powers in this world got their act together. 

You seem completely unable to grasp the difference between wanting something & practicality. Sure the above are extreme examples but football chiefs in this country are cowards & existing rules give both clubs too much power.

Do I want it changed? Yes, will it ever be? Probably no time soon. Is it realistic to expect our team to be an outlier & have the ability to make a stand? Again no time soon. 

Because some people just support these teams. 

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10 minutes ago, bazil85 said:

Yep, world hunger, child poverty & global vaccination against avoidable diseases could all be resolved in a very short period as well if the powers in this world got their act together. 

You seem completely unable to grasp the difference between wanting something & practicality. Sure the above are extreme examples but football chiefs in this country are cowards & existing rules give both clubs too much power.

Do I want it changed? Yes, will it ever be? Probably no time soon. Is it realistic to expect our team to be an outlier & have the ability to make a stand? Again no time soon. 

Because some people just support these teams. 

It will never change as long as you and others continue to appease them. 

Don't play them. 

Don't give them tickets. 

Forty Clubs can walk away today and start new leagues without them. 

Stop counting their sectarian money, Bazzy. 

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IF you have just opened up at this point - no need to go back and look through the screeds of repetitive posturing . . .

Here is a quick summary - One side is arguing it is good for the club (Financially). The other saying that is a lie and it is bad for ours fans.

There saved you a week of your life . . .😃

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3 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

Maybe we should change the name of this thread as I am pretty sure we did stay up

keep up - among these 33 pages I have asked for this TWICE !  It keeps falling on deaf ears though !:2cool

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1 hour ago, shull said:

Don't let any of them in till we know they will behave.

Right you guys, are you going to behave. Ok in you go. :unsure: Really don't see it in my life time.

Question. Was it as bad when the OF were taking a fee from clubs for issuing tickets to their supposedly trusted supporters clubs. Hence no green brigade etc.     

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50 minutes ago, shull said:

It will never change as long as you and others continue to appease them. 

Don't play them. 

Don't give them tickets. 

Forty Clubs can walk away today and start new leagues without them. 

Stop counting their sectarian money, Bazzy. 

If being the key word. It won’t happen. 

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40 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

Very mature and such a positive contribution for you!

Coming from the OF's number one apologist that's rich!

I hope you still get a seat at Motherwell and Killie games!
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You always become the thing you hate eh? Here you are crying over Rangers and Celtic fans being in our stadium but acting just like them in claiming us ‘wee team’ fans must favour one of the clubs. 

Guess if this is how you cope with a decision you have zero power to change then that’s fine. :thumbs2

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2 minutes ago, shull said:

No ' if ' was mentioned. 

If we don’t play them 

if we don’t give them tickets 

if 40 teams walk away. 

None of which has a chance in hell of actually happening. ‘If’ none of that happens things won’t change. 

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21 minutes ago, shull said:

No ifs about it. 

Just do it. 

Problem solved. 

Sectarian cnuts gone and you crying. 

Whilst R & C are the worst offenders of Sectarianism, they aren't the only guilty ones. Just need to look at Edinburgh, Ayrshire and sections of the Lanarkshire teams, there are elements of sectarianism.... Whilst not as rife, it exists there too. Do we stop them attending? Genuine question.

Sectarianism is not the only issue blighting our game.

There have been other clubs who have been involved in Shady behavior, such as Ayr (smoke bombs) at our ground, Morton tearing up seats.

Airdrie have had issues with Racism in the past.

The list of issues could go on.

My question is, how/where do we draw a line in this? How do we decide which is worst, who can attend and can't? Are we in risk of sectarianism ourselves by banning certain fans and not others based on the 'perceived' beliefs (we can't factually prove any clubs fans hold any particular belief as a whole)?

 

Ps I would LOVE to eradicate the issue, it f**ks me off no end. However, life and these type of issues aren't as (excuse the pun) 'black and white' as that. 

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8 minutes ago, spankin_panda said:

Whilst R & C are the worst offenders of Sectarianism, they aren't the only guilty ones. Just need to look at Edinburgh, Ayrshire and sections of the Lanarkshire teams, there are elements of sectarianism.... Whilst not as rife, it exists there too. Do we stop them attending? Genuine question.

Sectarianism is not the only issue blighting our game.

There have been other clubs who have been involved in Shady behavior, such as Ayr (smoke bombs) at our ground, Morton tearing up seats.

Airdrie have had issues with Racism in the past.

The list of issues could go on.

My question is, how/where do we draw a line in this? How do we decide which is worst, who can attend and can't? Are we in risk of sectarianism ourselves by banning certain fans and not others based on the 'perceived' beliefs (we can't factually prove any clubs fans hold any particular belief as a whole)?

 

Ps I would LOVE to eradicate the issue, it f**ks me off no end. However, life and these type of issues aren't as (excuse the pun) 'black and white' as that. 

Its not saints fans, or the saints board job to eradicate racist, sectarian, bigoted behaviour. But it is as Smisa are 30% shareholders, and the board's responsibility to ensure St Mirren fans of all ages can safely attend all home games, and not be in fear of violence, intimidation, sectarian singing, or fearful of being struck with explosives.

you put your own house in order, and look after your own. Then shine the light on others!

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7 minutes ago, spankin_panda said:

Whilst R & C are the worst offenders of Sectarianism, they aren't the only guilty ones. Just need to look at Edinburgh, Ayrshire and sections of the Lanarkshire teams, there are elements of sectarianism.... Whilst not as rife, it exists there too. Do we stop them attending? Genuine question.

Sectarianism is not the only issue blighting our game.

There have been other clubs who have been involved in Shady behavior, such as Ayr (smoke bombs) at our ground, Morton tearing up seats.

Airdrie have had issues with Racism in the past.

The list of issues could go on.

 My question is, how/where do we draw a line in this? How do we decide which is worst, who can attend and can't? Are we in risk of sectarianism ourselves by banning certain fans and not others based on the 'perceived' beliefs (we can't factually prove any clubs fans hold any particular belief as a whole)?

 

Ps I would LOVE to eradicate the issue, it f**ks me off no end. However, life and these type of issues aren't as (excuse the pun) 'black and white' as that. 

Indeed, the focus on sectarianism removes plenty of other clubs from what is unacceptable behaviour.

The fact the OF have more support only makes them the worst offenders.

As you say, no easy answers....................near impossible in reality. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, spankin_panda said:

Whilst R & C are the worst offenders of Sectarianism, they aren't the only guilty ones. Just need to look at Edinburgh, Ayrshire and sections of the Lanarkshire teams, there are elements of sectarianism.... Whilst not as rife, it exists there too. Do we stop them attending? Genuine question.

Sectarianism is not the only issue blighting our game.

There have been other clubs who have been involved in Shady behavior, such as Ayr (smoke bombs) at our ground, Morton tearing up seats.

Airdrie have had issues with Racism in the past.

The list of issues could go on.

My question is, how/where do we draw a line in this? How do we decide which is worst, who can attend and can't? Are we in risk of sectarianism ourselves by banning certain fans and not others based on the 'perceived' beliefs (we can't factually prove any clubs fans hold any particular belief as a whole)?

 

Ps I would LOVE to eradicate the issue, it f**ks me off no end. However, life and these type of issues aren't as (excuse the pun) 'black and white' as that. 

Only Celtic and Sevco must be booted out. 

We have never had regular problems from any other support in Scotland. 

The 40 Diddy Clubs would quickly sort out their own fans if they disgraced them. 

Celtic and Sevco thrive and condone their scum fans. 

Genuine answer. 

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3 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

Indeed, the focus on sectarianism removes plenty of other clubs from what is unacceptable behaviour.

The fact the OF have more support only makes them the worst offenders.

As you say, no easy answers....................near impossible in reality. 

 

 

I agree. In this day an age, any form of discrimination, bigotry etc is beggars belief. 

There isn't an easy answer to eradicate, as  @Lord Pityme said in the prior page, I agree we should ensure we do our best to safeguard our own. 

That makes sense.

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4 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Its not saints fans, or the saints board job to eradicate racist, sectarian, bigoted behaviour. But it is as Smisa are 30% shareholders, and the board's responsibility to ensure St Mirren fans of all ages can safely attend all home games, and not be in fear of violence, intimidation, sectarian singing, or fearful of being struck with explosives.

you put your own house in order, and look after your own. Then shine the light on others!

Ffs talk about a one sided approach. When do you think our fans are safest, leaving these home games or walking to/from the Glasgow grounds with up to 60,000 of their fans?

The club & SMISA do as required to keep fans safe at these games with steward and police presence. They meet their requirements. 

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1 minute ago, shull said:

Only Celtic and Sevco must be booted out. 

We have never had regular problems from any other support in Scotland. 

The 40 Diddy Clubs would quickly sort out their own fans if they disgraced them. 

Celtic and Sevco thrive and condone their scum fans. 

Genuine answer. 

The point I have highlighted in your posts is something I actually agree with. They don't do enough to eradicate the issue as I think they fear the backlash from their fans if they did. I agree with you here. 

Genuine agreement...... lol

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1 minute ago, spankin_panda said:

The point I have highlighted in your posts is something I actually agree with. They don't do enough to eradicate the issue as I think they fear the backlash from their fans if they did. I agree with you here. 

Genuine agreement...... lol

Genuinely delighted you agree. 

You're the first today. 

Bazzy is a bit more tricky to get on my side. 

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